I joined the Communist Party

Originally posted by Torbu

I don't know about the communist party but when fully implemented, theoretically:

You won't be able to make money nor it will be any point in doing so.
You won't have to pay for anything at all.
You can keep your guns, i'll assume you'd use them to haunt, so maybe you are going haunt for rest of the people in your town too?
Sure you can say what you want and it should be provided... You will get reasonable amounts of the requested items, and reasonable items... like you won't be able to ask for a plane for you to put into your front garden but should you need to make a plane trip it should be provided to you.

I hope you'll now be a happier rabbit!

edit on 13-6-2012 by Torbu because: (no reason given)

It is so obvious you don't know what in the world you are talking about...

Even in communism you will make money otherwise why is there a plank in the communist manifesto about implementing a heavy progressive tax/es?... Or another plank about centralization of all credit with a central bank being in control of all credit?...

You WON'T be able to keep your guns, more so if you are from the middle class...

Sir, the more you write the more you show you know NOTHING about communism...

Originally posted by Torbu

Assuming you'd be right, despite that you are not, your logic, once again is:

"Those socialist/communist were criminals!"
"Therefore anyone talking about socialist/communism ideas, are as guilty and potentially as guilty and criminal"

Is that correct?

Let's see... SINCE ALL ATTEMPS and succeses at establishing socialism/communism in various nations have ALWAYS led to the murder of a total of over 122.3 MILLION people in about 80 years, and implemented dictatorships which left said countries IN WORSE CONDITIONS THAN EVER BEFORE, and since socialist/communists are following the SAME plans that caused the murder of millions of people and the imprisonment of millions more, do I think that socialists/communists trying to implement AGAIN the same socialist/communist goals as before will end with the murder of millions of people and implementing AGAIN socialist/comunist dictatorships?...

Hummm....that's a hard one huh?...

Originally posted by Torbu
reply to post by beezzer

 

Do you throw your garbage on the street instead of using garbage can?

If you do then you are irresponsible, hence you don't have the authority to make that decision as you tend to make ill decisions.

If you use a proper garbage can and you understand why recycling is important you'd also understand that resources are limited therefore you'd be able to decide by yourself.

So I still get to decide how much food is in my home?

I still get to decide how big my house is?

How many cars I get to own?

What books, shows I get to read and watch?

How many gold coins I get to collect?

I still get to make those decisions, right?

Originally posted by beezzer

But if I want to live in a big log home next to a lake (stocked with trout) I should be able to work, earn money, and have it, right?

Now, that's a thought provoking question. If I wanted to build my own log cabin at that lake, would I be forced to allow "society" to help? This is really an important question wrapped in a "what if...?" because honestly, I've met a lot of people in society that don't know their axe from their elbow. I don't think they should be building MY log cabin, because it would suck to have it cave in on me in the night, and then have society say "Oops!".

To develop it further, if I wanted to manage the trout in that lake (and I'll be honest heer beezzer, I've never caught trout out of a lake - only out of running water), but if I wanted to manage the trout in that lake so that restocking would never be needed, would I have to involve society in that decision and project as well? I honestly believer society is not up to that task, either...

reply to post by beezzer


Right, but remember you are already a well educated third generation citizen...

Originally posted by TheJourney
People really like to use labels in very general ways, that don't demonstrate having any actual understanding of what the terms they are using mean...lol.

'Communism is almost as repressive as Fascism'...lol

We're a label-obsessed culture. "He's a SOCIALIST!" "He's a COMMUNIST!" "He's a TERRORIST!" "I'm a CONSERVATIVE" "I'm LIBERAL" on and on...I see very little understanding of these things, just repeating terms they've heard in a very vague and undefined way.

edit on 13-6-2012 by TheJourney because: (no reason given)

of course we label and thats how we identify certain beliefs or structures etc can you tell me what exactly is wrong with me stating that communism is just as bad as fascism instead of lol lol you know debate like an adult

Originally posted by Torbu
reply to post by beezzer

 

Right, but remember you are already a well educated third generation citizen...

What's a third generation citizen?

(I may have missed that point)

reply to post by beezzer


It's explained in a previous post...

Check page 22
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Strange that the end goal of Communism is a complete abolition of the state, at such a point that the mindset of the people had changed in such a way that we were able to live where everyone was able to have everything they needed, and that was just the basic assumption of society, removing the need for the state...and yet communism is 'all about state control.' Lol.

Revolutionary, state-controlled communism is one theory of communist application, and it has been consistently abused for ends that are not consistent with communist ideals. The idea being that the state would faciliate communism for a time, so that people got used to it, and then after that time the state would no longer be necessary. This is probably not the right way, it seems to me. Nonetheless, to say communism is 'all about state control' when one of the end goals is abolition of the state is quite humorous.

reply to post by brukernavn


YOU joined the Communist Party and youre calling ME ignorant? Com-rad?

reply to post by ANOK

Of course, he's a Libertarian Socialist. I am a Libertarian Socialist. Why do you think he is? Because he understands what it is. He says what he says because he understands it, not because he is a 'radical'.

LOL Libertarian Socialist now there is a good one. They are a contradiction in terms! Chomsky is a complete imbecile with diarrhea of the mouth who couldn't argue his way out of a paper bag.

Originally posted by Torbu
reply to post by beezzer

 

Do you throw your garbage on the street instead of using garbage can?

If you do then you are irresponsible, hence you don't have the authority to make that decision as you tend to make ill decisions.

If you use a proper garbage can and you understand why recycling is important you'd also understand that resources are limited therefore you'd be able to decide by yourself.

I recycle by pretty much setting everything on fire.

Why do I need someone else to decide for me what to do and how to do it?

Why am I unable to think for myself in a socialist system?

Originally posted by Torbu
reply to post by beezzer

 

Right, but remember you are already a well educated third generation citizen...

Why 3 generations?

I'm guessing it'd take at least 10 -15 to beat the idea of individuality out of the masses.

Originally posted by brukernavn
I have lost long time friends, certain family has disowned me, even my fiancé has left me because of it.

are you sure that isnt because you annoy them? maybe you are condescending - choosing not to DISCUSS politics or what is important to you, but instead to lecture? just a hunch.

reply to post by Komodo


Posts like this make me ashamed to be an American. It's no wonder the whole world agrees that we're a bunch of gun toting red necks when people who "think" (I'm using that term lightly) like this represent us to the rest of the world.

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Electronics have nothing to do with communism nor socialism. Absolutely nothing. Next?

I think that was kind of his whole point.....

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

The phrase "confiscating your paycheck" is so asinine. Where in their works does it say that you will have your paycheck confiscated? Is that not what actually happens under capitalism?

Actually, no. The parts of paychecks the government confiscates in America was dreamed up by "progressives", and is a Socialistic policy implemented on the American people. For the first 150 years or so of the nation's existence, there was no income tax - no confiscation of your income to support state programs. Taxes were levied on material transactions, and those taxes were used to operate the government, not for everything under the sun.

Then the Socialists came along...

Originally posted by Torbu

The main argument here is how do you think we should behave... should we behave like ants or like wolves?

I believe we should behave as neither, but as human beings instead.

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

-Robert A. Heinlein

Source

Your analogy of humans behaving as if they were genetically programmed insects brought this quote to mind.

Originally posted by polarwarrior

Actually we are a communal species and our evolutionary history shows this, even as modern humans we have always worked together in tribes of some form.

"Communal living" as a lifestyle and "communism" as codified by Marx are two different animals. Communal living is characterized and composed of individuals and is stratified, both of which characteristics Marxist communism attempts to stamp out.

Originally posted by beezzer
If I, beezzer, were to join the "communist" party, could I still make oodles of money and keep it?

Would I have to pay out anything?

Could I still keep my guns?

Could I still say what I wanted?


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Yes, you absolutely are able to keep the wealth that you require from what you produce. What do you mean by "paying out"? Guns? Ridiculous implication there. What does freedom of speech have to do with communism?