I joined the Communist Party

reply to post by brukernavn


Yes, on a small scale.

Originally posted by polarwarrior

Actually the end goal is to put a stop to ALL exploitation, which has not happened in Cuba.

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself WHY that is? WHY "all exploitation" was not stopped in Cuba - or any other communist country?

Plus, its takes more than just to end exploitation to be communism.

How much more, in your estimation?

Originally posted by Torbu
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Let me cite Anguita on his '99 speech:

And along with equality, freedom. But talk of freedom is something very big, because freedom is to assume that you have self awareness, which is not the same as freedom of conscience. Free consciousness means I can decide if I have all the elements to make my decision. I am well informed, I am well trained, I eat every day, I have a roof to take shelter, I have clothes to wear, and once I have my basic needs met, I can start thinking to be a free man. Because if I have to look for work, going to the unemployment line, selling myself for nothing so I can provide food for me and for my children, I'm not a free man, even if I'm allowed to vote in the polls tomorrow. I be will moved by my hunger, by my need to sell myself because of my hunger.

Bully for Anguita! Glad he found his freedom - but that's not freedom to me. It's just trading one master for another, and at no point can he be said to be his own master, or in control of his own destiny. If the man can't even feed himself, how can he hope for anything more?

Feeding himself by the goodwill of others is the same as placing himself at their mercy should that good will fail. It doesn't matter if those "others" is some corporate collective or some socialist collective - they are STILL his masters if he throws himself on their mercy and good will.

Why only join when you can go and live in a communist country?

I have a better idea- all the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-regulation, anti-worker, anti-environment right-wing extremists should go live somewhere like Afghanistan, or Africa, or China, where they can pollute all they want, pay people 2$ a day, and never have to worry about any regulations or taxes.

It's funny how all the anti society people don't want to give up any of the privileges or benefits of a well-run country, but they don't want to have to pay for it or follow the rules everyone else has to.

Originally posted by Torbu

LOL, that's not his palace! It was never intended to be his palace. Actually it's called "People's house". Here: Palace of Parliament

Wow...and you actually laugh about it?... Much of Bucharest's historic district weas destroyed to build this palace, nad it is a palace... ALL COMMUNISTS CLAIM THEY DID THE THINGS THEY DID FOR THE PEOPLE... BUT THEY NEVER DO...

Many ordinary Romanians paid a very high price for the palace's construction. It required much of Bucharest's historic district to be demolished, including 19 Orthodox churches, six synagogues and three Protestant churches. Eight churches were relocated, and 30,000 people lost their dwellings.

www.youtube.com...

Can you prove that even ONE single REGULAR Romanian lived in that Palace to be called "the people's house"?... Most of the rooms of this massive palace were supposedly never used... Talk about a waste of space... but then again "CAPITALISTS" are the ones being blamed for "waste" and not communists right?...

Originally posted by Torbu
If you look at his real house you'll see it's rather modest in comparison to any house of whatever current Romanian politician...

But COMMUNIST leaders are supposed to "be for the people, not for building their palaces...

Originally posted by Torbu
Some real "palaces" of Ceausescu:

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Even the so called "people's house" was a palace of this man because it was mainly for show...To brag that he built the heaviest building in the world, almost, if not as big as the great Pyramid of Cheops...

Originally posted by polarwarrior
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Where did they live under communism?

At least one is Cuban.

I have no doubt that all those who've lived under that system would come to understand that communism isn't communism and that "preventing the exploitation of the worker" isn't "preventing the exploitation of the worker" if only they would READ more... I mean, DAMN that life experience - who really needs the evidence of their own eyes, anyhow? They can always just crack open a book...

Originally posted by CB328

I have a better idea- all the anti-government, anti-tax, anti-regulation, anti-worker, anti-environment right-wing extremists should go live somewhere like Afghanistan, or Africa, or China, where they can pollute all they want, pay people 2$ a day, and never have to worry about any regulations or taxes.

you sir/madam have no idea of what you talk about... China is COMMUNIST, yes even to this day...just because it engages in businesses and allowes mostly COMMUNIST PARTY MEMBERS to have businesses doesn't make it any less communist...

BTW, the countries with the worst environmental record HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST... China, and India for example...

Originally posted by CB328
It's funny how all the anti society people don't want to give up any of the privileges or benefits of a well-run country, but they don't want to have to pay for it or follow the rules everyone else has to.

Most of you have obviously lost your minds... There have ALWAYS been capitalist societies...society doesn't mean "pro socialism/communism"... Not to mention that your sentences really make no sense...

Are socialists/communists always stoned when writting/posting?...

reply to post by brukernavn

You're nuts.

No wonder you lost your family and friends.

They're embarrassed.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself WHY that is? WHY "all exploitation" was not stopped in Cuba - or any other communist country?

Partly because your country crushes it, infiltrates it, sabotages it and they even admit to doing this, it is too much of a threat to the wealthy elite/capitalists to be given a chance. The elite hold so much power they get their way.

But it has more to do with the fact that most "communist" countries like Cuba aren't even communist to begin with so of course it won't work. How can a non-communist country be expected to be a good example of working communism?

Originally posted by nenothtu
How much more, in your estimation?

Its not "my estimate" its the basic facts about communism you seem so opposed to that you won't even learn about. If you ever wish to deny your own ignorance there are any number of books you can read to give you an introduction.

A smart poster already mentioned you want to be a part of something. Or maybe you are looking for some attention.

Dude let me give you some priceless free advice...

A. Quit that malarchy like yesterday
B. Go on youtube and look up the mystery method and try to find a hot new date

His program is tailor made for bro's like you.

Your life will improve like your multiplication tables. You won't believe how much better your life can be.

Get the most outta your freedom.

Originally posted by polarwarrior

Partly because your country crushes it, infiltrates it, sabotages it and they even admit to doing this, it is too much of a threat to the wealthy elite/capitalists to be given a chance. The elite hold so much power they get their way.
...

That is ALWAYS the excuse made by socialists/communists... IT IS NEVER THEIR FAULT... It is NEVER the fact that socialism/communism ALWAYS leads to socialist dictatorship... Naa, instead they blame it all on Capitalism, and the west, like they have ALWAYS done...

It is ALWAYS much easier that way so next time their diseased ideologies fails AGAIN they can claim AGAIN "SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM HAS NEVER TRULY BEEN TRIED, WE SHOULD KEEP TRYING NO MATTER IF OUR IDEOLOGIES HAVE MURDERED OVER 122.3 MILLION PEOPLE, AND IMPRISONED MILLIONS MORE IN JUST 80 YEARS..."...

reply to post by nenothtu


Nobody says anything about living out of the goodwill or out of the work of others.

The main idea, I think, is that the society should help (all) his members to be able as useful as possible to the society. That is what socialism or communism is to me in a nutshell.

The point being that right now, the only thing left out of the american dream is the dream itself. You are promised that if you try hard you'll succeed. If you don't is that you didn't try hard enough, but the reality being that it is impossible to succeed unless you steal, you exploit other aka steal legally. No way for a guy, no matter how well prepared he is to make enough to achieve real freedom, just enough to survive if lucky.

All the stuff on Romania and on Ceausescu has to do with the fact that objectively the life standard of Romania 30 years ago, was far superior of that of Spain today: no jobless people, enough to afford one month a year of holidays in a hotel, no fear that you won't have food, free education including college, etc. It is also true that the price was that there was no free speech, not many options for foods, only one or two car models, limited clothes models available, nearly impossible to get out of the country, etc. But still... if you look at how many ppl can't afford that stuff right now in Spain, let alone Romania, the difference was more a subjective one than a real one.

So this so called freedom that we all enjoy right now, equals to enslavement. The funny thing is that I'm completely sure that Anguita, who again belongs to Spanish communist party would agree on lots of points with for example, Ron Paul, who after all is a right side guy. But both have in common the good being of the people of their respective countries builds some incredible affinities...

And I wanted to add, because I just saw your other comment about the elites controlling everything.

Take a look at Mark Zuckerburg. He was pencil neck geek at Harvard and now a measly 6-7 years later he is no doubt one of the most powerful and wealthy people in the world.

With the right idea, hard work, and luck, anybody, really anybody can make it here. That simply can't happen in a communist country. That's what it comes down to. Reward the best and most hard working. That's why the world wants to immigrate here. Because at least you have a fighting chance. It certainly aint perfect, but it's the best system going.

Originally posted by brukernavn
Communism appeals to me because of the belief of the worker having ownership.

Then buy some shares or put an offer for the company that employs you? There's nothing in our society that prevents this, but even better, it doesn't force you to.

reply to post by Torbu


And tell us, where is the proof of all these great deeds by your idol?...

BTW, in case you dind't know castro, and his regime claim the same thing about Cuba, but the truth is the contrary to the claims these DICTATORS made...

But the fact is this, to this day no independent Human Right Groups are allowed to be in Cuba, and for a reason, so that naive people like you believe the lies being told by the communist regime...

Originally posted by brukernavn
Communism appeals to me because of the belief of the worker having ownership.

Really?... and do tell us what do you think it means, and even Karl Marx said it himself...

“The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property”
Karl Marx quotes

thinkexist.com...

How can the workers own, or control anything when ownership is ABOLISHED?...

in case you naive socialists/communists didn't know, and haven't learned by know "ownership by the workers" under socialism/communism means THE STATE/PARTY OWNS IT IN THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE...

But they never really do anything in the name of the people... The most important thing under socialism/communism is the PARTY ITSELF and not the people... This is why individual rights are abolished under socialism/communism for the good of the "collective" (which in actuality is the PARTY/STATE claiming it represents the people...

You see, it is because of these double speak and semantics used by socialists/communist leaders that most of those people who claim to be socialists/communists have no real idea what socialism/communism really is...

These socialist/communists leaders have been lying for so long that "the regular socialists/communists" are completely ignorant of what these ideologies are truly all about...

reply to post by madcapper


The main element in that receipt of yours is luck, in my opinion.

Plus, do you really think that Facebook is such a good thing for the society as a whole? Does it really make us better, even help us communicate on some new ways?! Do you think he is smarter than Linus Trovalds? Do you think he brought more to the society than Linus Trovalds? But Linus Trovalds is not half as rich or popular!

Then remember that not everybody get to Harvard... With a GPA of 4.0 and you still don't get there unless you have the money or the luck... Sure you'll hear about some incredible successful guys who got in there with a scholarship, but there are not news about those who don't and I now about three of those cases first hand. Got accepted, couldn't afford it. One of them, for example, is working on a family shop selling shoes.

The society helping his members to fully develop their potential so that they can be useful and improve the society back, seems quite an intuitive idea to me... doesn't really seem so crazy.

Reason why i don't believe the OP is because he said his fiance left him/her makes no sense. so he/she had no idea about your political views, no way.

I envy you so greatly for having never met a fickle woman.

reply to post by indigo21


My late wife and I always did our best. We always rewarded our employees for the success of the firm. Why is so much always assumed?

Originally posted by Torbu
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Do you think he is smarter than Linus Trovalds? Do you think he brought more to the society than Linus Trovalds? But Linus Trovalds is not half as rich or popular!

Do you think Linus was or is poor?... He is/was richer than ALMOST ANYONE living under a socialist/communist dictatorship...

BTW, you don't have to go to Harvard to succeed...