I joined the Communist Party

Originally posted by Torbu
For all of you who think you live in freedom and that communism is a against freedom:

wow... I really don't know what to say... You are so out of touch with reality it is not funny... You claim that communism is not against freedom and then you give the speech of a communist dictator who was one of the most repressive stalinist in history?... Are you out of your freaking mind?... Or are you stoned?...

And talking about "the rich people"... Your idol nicolae Ceausescu had been illegally amasing wealth, not to mention the genocide he performed and for which he was sentenced to death with his wife...

Communism is not against freedom?... REALLY?... and the millions of people who were inprisoned in gulags for not accepting socialism/communism and daring to want freedom?... and the over 110 million murdered by communists , plus 12 million murdered by HItler, a SOCIALIST, plus the 300,000 murdered by Mussolini? all of it in 80 years...

SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM have shown to be the most repressive and brutal political systems the world has ever seen...

Like always, the people who join socialist/communist parties are the most ignorant and naive people on the planet...

reply to post by brukernavn


Honestly, I would do. I am a communist, but I am not going to vote for a communist leader, They will screw you over, don't even say they won't because you know that they will.

reply to post by brukernavn


Who really cares? I would be more upset if a family member/friend said they joined a hate movement like the KKK, Neo Nazi's,Feminism, La Raza, or Black Panthers etc.

Communist's are just misguided idiots. In many respects you did your a community a favor. You self selected yourself for the role of community dunce. So they know not to trust your intellectual capabilities(as communism is nothing more then a post agricultural economy feudalistic society).

I can understand your frustration with society, but doing something out of spite(becoming a communist because you don't like the status qua), is just wrong headed and unproductive(unless you really believe in communist dogma and fairy tales, then like I said, you self selected yourself)

reply to post by ANOK


Oh yeah socialists/communists invented everything in the world...

Meanwhile you still don't understand the difference between socialism and communism...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


they aren't against it, just anyone who attempts to be a communist/socialist leader attempts to demolish any other political party and wants to be greedy and control all the money, that's why I said my earlier post.

Communism is the best and absolute worst political ideology. Problem is , you don't have one person that is immune to corruption or power gain or fear of death. So many people would be out to kill that single man he would be forced to enact severe measures to ensure his rule.

Corruption , Power mongering , Political nightmare is what communism is.

Unless you had the perfect human being , which we dont.

However , i am Christian so ... here comes the Anti-Chirst

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Losing a Fiance and friends is not worth your bid for communism. It is flawed in the fact of Human Nature. You should seriously reconsider your political views.

Socialism would probably fit you more.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


ElectricUniverse, Ceausescu is not idol of mine, Julio Anguita is. But I do admire Ceausescu for the fact that he was a patriot. Not any other president of Romania that came after him was. All the stories of him amassing a huge fortune are stories and misinformation.
Not trying to tell you how great socialism is, just trying to open your mind and make you see that your views on socialism are the product of deep misinformation.

Do you want deep proof of conspiracy and external intervention in Romania? look at this: With friends like this...

Do you want to see how it was what luxury was the guy living in? Look at the documentary...

But instead of bringing in some mantras about communism crimes just build an opinion of yourself.

And for the record there was never a communist regime, not in Romania, it was Socialism. The only communist thing was the only political party. Communism was an aspiration.

EDIT: Ceausescu was not "convicted" or "judged" he was assesinated:

"Ed Vulliamy 19 July 2009
It was impossible to have a revolution in Romania. So it had to be staged. "Christmas Day 1989: Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and his wife Elena are shot dead by firing squad, after a trial lasting less than two minutes. But was the world watching a people's uprising, or a communist coup d'état?
"There had been a revolution by the people, but the people had been tricked," he says. "We were romantics, we had no relationship with those in power. Within a year, it was beyond doubt that one faction had simply removed another faction, probably in direct contact with Moscow, where Gorbachev had realised that Ceausescu's system would implode. The institutions which had run the country remained intact, albeit with another name. Tragically, more people were killed after the execution of Ceausescu than before.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by ANOK

Cuba was never communist, and was never meant to be.

The revolution was to rid the island of the Batista regime, and the capitalist exploitation from America.

And:

The Cuba problem has nothing to do with communism. They just didn't do what the US wanted, and that was to exploit the workers.

If the end goal of communism is to "eliminate the capitalist exploitation of the workers", and the Cuban revolution "eliminated the capitalist exploitation of the workers", how does that make Cuba NOT communist?

Originally posted by misterbananas

they aren't against it, just anyone who attempts to be a communist/socialist leader attempts to demolish any other political party and wants to be greedy and control all the money, that's why I said my earlier post.

They aren't against what? freedom?... Even Karl Marx said, and I quote:

“The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.”

It means EVERYONE must love the socialist/communist dictatorship otherwise there would never be peace, and those who oppose socialism/communism are enemies of the state/revolution, which is why so many people have been imprisoned, and murdered by socialist/communist dictators...

Also, some NEW socialists/communists, who like the old ones, like to LIE and TWIST the facts about their diseased ideology so they can lure more unsuspecting and naive people...

One of the NOT SO NEW lies that socialists/communists are claiming AGAIN is that under socialism/communism not all private property is abolished... they even try to play semantics to make you believe you will have some private property... But let's hear it from Marx again...

“The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property”
Karl Marx quotes

thinkexist.com...

I have already posted several times from SOCIALIST websites that they state the same thing, ALL PRIVATE PROPERTY IS ABOLISHED UNDER SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM...

Originally posted by brukernavn
The most successful places in America are that way because they practiced communism.

edit on 6/12/2012 by brukernavn because: I shall admit it... I misspelt Arkansas

edit on 6/12/2012 by brukernavn because: Damnit, I dit it again

That is not true?

You are clearly talking about true communism, not what the Communist Party is into. That is the lure used, the same lure used in the former Soviet Union.

Real Communism will only work in very small communities. It's what it turns into on a large scale that turns people who love Freedom off. We have many examples of that in modern history.

Communism only works if everyone is equally motivated and involved. It breaks down very fast with large populations.

You may want to rethink your sources and who you are listening to since that statement about the US is so very wrong.

There were at one time small Communes around. They lived in poverty and off the land while doing no harm. Some still do as we are a Free Nation. Most of them broke up though in the the seventies.

We had one set up shop on what was left of our families old ranch in the sixties come to think of it. I went there with my Father and he told them have at it if they wished. They had squatted on our land without permission and were lucky nobody cared. They self-destructed a couple of months later after finding out they did not have a clue how to eek out a living off the land. I'd not thought of that in some time. They were practicing what they thought was Communism.

Originally posted by Torbu

ElectricUniverse, Ceausescu is not idol of mine, Julio Anguita is. But I do admire Ceausescu for the fact that he was a patriot. Not any other president of Romania that came after him was. All the stories of him amassing a huge fortune are stories and misinformation.
Not trying to tell you how great socialism is, just trying to open your mind and make you see that your views on socialism are the product of deep misinformation.
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I didn't read about socialism/communism from a leftwinger trying to sell these diseased ideologies, I actually lived and experienced socialism/communism in Cuba, unlike most of you who swallow every lie about socialism/communism yet never experienced them.

Ceausescu did amass a fortune, or you do not know the palaces this man made for himself?...

Here is one of his palaces...



Can't embed according to youtube, so here is a link to the video/tour.
www.youtube.com...

Are you going to tell us now that to have a palace, or more you don't have to be rich?...

Not only that but he had the idea that the fetus of every woman was the property of ALL of society... That's how sick this man was.

Originally posted by boot2theface
To those who believe that communism lacks personal freedom I say that the freedom that capitalism offers is indeed the freedom to profit from an original idea, but simultaneously it is the freedom to steal the sweat of a million laborers for your own profit and then drop them all in the gutter when it appears your profits will decrease.

That's not exactly a sterling defense of the alleged freedom in communism - to just say "I don't like the other guy's brand of freedom". A better defense would be to provide some examples of freedom to be found in communism. can you find any?

It is freedom for those who have much. It is tyranny for those who have nothing.

I have next to nothing, and have yet to be "tyrannized" by a capitalist. I can't say the same thing for communists, but at least I know people who got a much more raw deal from them. When they steal the little patch of land from a campesino which is all he has, and then force his relocation to someplace the State can better use his labor for it's own enrichment, yeah, that's a pretty raw deal. it sure as hell doesn't do anything to improver HIS lot in life or enrich his "freedom".

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


LOL, that's not his palace! It was never intended to be his palace. Actually it's called "People's house". Here: Palace of Parliament

If you look at his real house you'll see it's rather modest in comparison to any house of whatever current Romanian politician...


Some real "palaces" of Ceausescu:

www.youtube.com...

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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by ANOK

Cuba was never communist, and was never meant to be.

The revolution was to rid the island of the Batista regime, and the capitalist exploitation from America.

And:

The Cuba problem has nothing to do with communism. They just didn't do what the US wanted, and that was to exploit the workers.

If the end goal of communism is to "eliminate the capitalist exploitation of the workers", and the Cuban revolution "eliminated the capitalist exploitation of the workers", how does that make Cuba NOT communist?

Actually the end goal is to put a stop to ALL exploitation, which has not happened in Cuba.

Plus, its takes more than just to end exploitation to be communism.

reply to post by nenothtu


Let me cite Anguita on his '99 speech:

And along with equality, freedom. But talk of freedom is something very big, because freedom is to assume that you have self awareness, which is not the same as freedom of conscience. Free consciousness means I can decide if I have all the elements to make my decision. I am well informed, I am well trained, I eat every day, I have a roof to take shelter, I have clothes to wear, and once I have my basic needs met, I can start thinking to be a free man. Because if I have to look for work, going to the unemployment line, selling myself for nothing so I can provide food for me and for my children, I'm not a free man, even if I'm allowed to vote in the polls tomorrow. I be will moved by my hunger, by my need to sell myself because of my hunger.

99.99% of communist-haters have no idea what True Communism is. That's because every communist movement has been infiltrated and destroyed by capitalist agents.

Want proof?

COINTELPRO

I'm afraid this little project by America's beloved government made sure that your family and friends would turn against you (and many others) the moment you declared your belief in a system that threatens the global control infrastructure of Big Business and capitalism. The only reason communism has a negative stigma and bad track record is 1) destabilization by the west and 2) human corruption, encouraged by said destabilization.

The theory in itself is quite fantastic really, until greedy pieces of sh# like Stalin or Mao get their hands on a country. Pretty much no different to what happened to capitalism if you think about it, but if communism were correctly applied by a genuine leader, it could potentially liberate humanity (without destroying the earth. Free capitalism, as it stands, would obliterate the planet if every person had a fair chance at getting rich. Because it's consumerist-oriented, meaning things are built to last X amount of time before they must be replaced, and we use ancient forms of technology and energy so we can milk the profits. This is resulting in incredible pollution and trash build-up).

Follow your instincts brother, but don't expect an easy life for choosing a philosophy clouded in misconceptions and ignorance. This mentality is the same mentality that drug culture suffers from. Capitalist institutional paranoia. Or "The Fear" as Hunter S. Thompson sometimes affectionately referred to it as. When a capitalist gets obscenely rich, they'll generally sink to any level to make sure they keep those riches. They'll assassinate people, they'll discredit people, they'll go to war, they'll sabotage education, they'll rig politics, they'll hang on to their trinkets and plastic money with white knuckles right up until they die and are put in the dirt with the rest of us. All the while, children all over the planet starve, over half the world live in poverty and our planet is completely and utterly screwed from pollution and resource mongering to the point where it might be impossible to save now (point of No Return).

Don't ever feel ashamed for your beliefs brother. There's nothing wrong with turning your back on a system corrupt and diseased to its core. I personally am not a communist but I sure as hell ain't a capitalist either! There must be a better way. This isn't even true capitalism in the ordinary sense, to be fair. Capitalism has been hi-jacked by the same nazi scumbags who prevented communism from taking over, which it would have if they had not successfully interfered. As Ron Paul said in a speech, "the philosophy that destroys us isn't even defined." This isn't capitalism or communism or socialism, but a deranged twisted amalgamation of them all with a splash of Elitist Fascism thrown in.

I'd consider myself more of a socioeconomic agnostic personally. And I'm not a big fan of silly labels like "communism" and "capitalism" and "socialism" and "whateverism" - why can't we all just be f#ing human beings and create an economic system based on equality, so we can all be fed, housed and accomplished? People think that communism (or any economic system that automatically has our "needs" met) will result in complacency. But if this were true, no body rich would ever leave the house. Incentive to be a contributing member of society is not in the Job. It's in the Process of Creation - whatever it may be. Humans live to create whether they're employed or unemployed, rich or poor. Give us all food, shelter and a fair go and when we wake up tomorrow the world will be a different place (with very little crime and suffering). If they can afford to fund the War Machine they can afford to save earth. They just don't want to.

And the second you start expressing the opinion that every human being of earth deserves a fair chance at life, you're labelled a communist and either ignored or attacked. God damn, what a tragic world to live in.

Also, what do you (and others) think about things like this? I think it's brilliant that these ideas are starting to be entertained, but I'm worried it's far too late to implement such a system (or is it the perfect time?) The global financial system is on the brink of collapse - I say we let it, and replace it with something better where no small party can have complete control. If there were ever a time for such possibilities it's now, but getting through this transition could get ugly. The people in control will do anything to hang on to their positions. But at least people out there are trying.

Also watch this when you get a chance:

Paradise or Oblivion?

And the "Venus Project". Peace.

EDIT: For those who don't click the above COINTELRPO link.

The FBI has used covert operations against domestic political groups since its inception; however, covert operations under the official COINTELPRO label took place between 1956 and 1971. COINTELPRO tactics included discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination. The FBI's stated motivation was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order."

FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive," including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the civil rights movement, including Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society and the Weathermen; almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, as well as individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; the National Lawyers Guild; organizations and individuals associated with the women's rights movement; nationalist groups such as those seeking independence for Puerto Rico, United Ireland, and Cuban exile movements including Orlando Bosch's Cuban Power and the Cuban Nationalist Movement; and additional notable Americans—even Albert Einstein, who was a member of several civil rights groups, came under FBI surveillance during the years just prior to COINTELPRO's official inauguration. The remaining 15% of COINTELPRO resources were expended to marginalize and subvert "white hate groups," including the Ku Klux Klan and the National States' Rights Party

Source

If you can read this without getting mad, you probably have a screw loose. And if you think the FBI stopped doing this just because they got caught, think again.

Originally posted by polarwarrior

I really am stunned how so many people have not done even the most basic of reading about communism or socialism, the amount of misconceptions about it amongst Americans (and the west as a whole) is staggering.

Reading.

The most basic of reading about communism or socialism.

READING

There are posters here who have done the most basic of LIVING under those systems. Now you think they should READ about them to find out what they're really like in practice?

REALLY?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Real Communism will only work in very small communities.

Where was real communism trialed on a large scale? You have to actually give it a go before saying it won't work, but that won't happen as long as capitalists who make it their mission to destroy it have the support of their people.

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Where did they live under communism?

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by ANOK

 

Oh yeah socialists/communists invented everything in the world...

Meanwhile you still don't understand the difference between socialism and communism...

Not only did they invent everything, but have you ever read Shakespeare in the original Russian?