I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

nightlight7
I started making this combo last few batches. I first dissolve Lysine powder in 1.5 cup of water, then use 1 cup of that for lecithin blending and half cup for Sodium Ascorbate as in regular recipe.

Awesome experiment and thanks for sharing!

So given water will only 'solve' a certain amount, have you no issues with the full dissolve of the ascorbic into the water, given you've already got lysine in it?

Also: how much lysine into your 1.5 cups of water?

Thanks!

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Thanks for the link boxertwin....I didn't think to Google it....

I'm just making my first batch....wondering if it will lower my elevated liver enzymes by the time of my next blood test in about a month....yeah, I know...give it more time....

I've been Lip...ing Glutathione for a couple or three months now on faith because, unlike Lip-C, there's no way of telling what it's doing...but as a super antioxidant I take it the same way I've been taking Hi-dose B-Complex most of my life....

RedCairo
Awesome experiment and thanks for sharing!

So given water will only 'solve' a certain amount, have you no issues with the full dissolve of the ascorbic into the water, given you've already got lysine in it?
Also: how much lysine into your 1.5 cups of water?

Lysine is a lot less soluble in water than Sodium Ascorbate (SA), so I couldn't get it to dissolve in 1/2 cup with SA. Since lysine isn't very sensitive to heat or mechanical agitation, I dissolve it first in 1.5 cups of warm (110F) distilled water and use that water for the regular recipe. Hence, 1 cup of lysine solution is blended with lecithin for 3-4 minutes, then I dissolve SA in 1/2 cup of cooled lysine solution, then add that to the other 1 cup and blend together for 30 sec before putting everything into the ultrasonic cleaner.

Regarding quantities, UI use 30g (2 scoops) of non-GMO sunflower lecithin powder, 30g of Lysine (~1.25 scoops) and 30g of SA (1 scoop). The scoop here is the 33cc scoop which comes with sunflower lecithin. I used scale to measure the quantities the first time, but then I just eyeball it via scoops since it is close enough.

Some other supplements I have been using this way are:

a) Acetyl-L-Carnitine (24g) + Glutamine (18g)
done together with 30g lecithin in the 1.5 cup batch.

b) Acetyl-L-Carnitine (24g) + Creatine (18g)
together with 30g lecithin in 1.5 cup batch.

In both cases I dissolve the powders in the 1.5 cups since they don't dissolve well in 1/2 cup as SA does. The Creatine and Glutamine in fact saturate in 1.5 cups (warmed to 110F) at about the amounts above. Acetyl-L-Carnitine which is acidic helps dissolve more i.e. without it I couldn't dissolve even the 18 grams I am using now. The combo (a), which I take 1 spoon in the morning and 1 in the afternoon is particularly energizing. The second one is less so in an obvious way, although both ingredients help with weight lifting.

Tarasco
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Thanks for the link boxertwin....I didn't think to Google it....

I'm just making my first batch....wondering if it will lower my elevated liver enzymes by the time of my next blood test in about a month....yeah, I know...give it more time....

I've been Lip...ing Glutathione for a couple or three months now on faith because, unlike Lip-C, there's no way of telling what it's doing...but as a super antioxidant I take it the same way I've been taking Hi-dose B-Complex most of my life....

No problem and you're welcome. I think after reviewing this thread I'd like to put some time into researching supplementing lipo lysine and glutathione as there seems to be some synergy between them and vitamin C. Will report back here with my findings (maybe create a new thread as it'll get lost in this one).

Don't know if it's just me but sometimes when I drink it of a morning I get really sleepy.
So bad sometimes I just conk out.....

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Well the little machine came from amazon, but I'm waiting for the lecithin. I'm going to attempt this one more time with my C powder, the regular use of it in juice hurt my teeth and my arthritis, but I've been told this is better. So will try it, but to be safe, my kids are going to rinse and rinse their teeth and brush with water after usage.

However, I recall a thread on C, and pineal. Its very good to take at night. And that's when I'll be taking it.

Currently trying to find some links since none of the searches bring up that thread I read. But one thing have already found is that Vitamin C in liposomal form is immediately recognized by the liver. So this can't wait for the lecithin.

edit to add: found the thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Unity_99
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Well the little machine came from amazon, but I'm waiting for the lecithin. I'm going to attempt this one more time with my C powder, the regular use of it in juice hurt my teeth and my arthritis, but I've been told this is better. So will try it, but to be safe, my kids are going to rinse and rinse their teeth and brush with water after usage.

However, I recall a thread on C, and pineal. Its very good to take at night. And that's when I'll be taking it.

Currently trying to find some links since none of the searches bring up that thread I read. But one thing have already found is that Vitamin C in liposomal form is immediately recognized by the liver. So this can't wait for the lecithin.

edit to add: found the thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 5-3-2014 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

I've been using this liposomal for some time now, it's really great, I go through quite a bit by myself and provide it for my Mom, Step Dad and my Son.

For myself and my Mother, we've both noticed the arthritis pain disappear while using the Lipo C, wonder why yours got worse with just regular vitamin C? A friend of ours no longer suffers with gout and attributes it to vitamin C. Maybe the lecithin is at work?

toastyr
A friend of ours no longer suffers with gout and attributes it to vitamin C. Maybe the lecithin is at work?

I have a relative with gout, might have him try it (he is a plumpy guy in his late 30s). Do you have any more info on that case where it helped or some other reference? Was it Liposomal C (home or commercial), how much was used and how long did it take to notice improvements?

Unity_99
However, I recall a thread on C and pineal. Its very good to take at night. And that's when I'll be taking it.
edit to add: found the thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 5-3-2014 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

That's interesting thread, even though they were using regular Vitamin C powder. Right before I started with Liposomal C, I was experimenting with 3rd eye meditations. Interestingly, whenever I take a tablespoon of Liposomal C, within 10 minutes I get the characteristic 3rd eye buzz (spinning 6th chakra) familiar from meditation.

While non-disruptive and more subtle than when meditating deliberately with closed eyes, it lasts a lot longer (couple hours) than the meditation induced effect. I don't get this effect with plain lecithin or with Vitamin C alone. Also, this 3rd eye effect is more pronounced if right after taking Liposomal C, I also dissolve in my mouth one sub-lingual Vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin, 1g-3g).

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Well not everyone has it get worse. It got worse with these things, used separately for a period: vit c powder, from the vitamin c foundation, the good stuff basically, non gmo, not from china, ron pauling kind. Also it got worse with iodide crystals. And good mother in it, apple cider vinegar. With arthritis there tends to types that improve with these things and types that get worse, it felt like it was stripping my joints even more.

So this is different, and worth a try again. Found B vitamins, k2, vitamin A, d, and especially MSM, organic sulphur, worked better for me. Also take some fulvic acid and divine vine, for detox.

I have liver disease, osteo arthritis, gout and fibromalgia, but rheumatoid runs in our family and in my research studies showed that potassium iodide increased modules on the joints, elbows, so I thought they might be wrong, about the fibromalgia, perhaps its borderline rheumatoid, that isn't picked up in the blood test yet.

lambros56
Don't know if it's just me but sometimes when I drink it of a morning I get really sleepy.
So bad sometimes I just conk out.....

Sounds like a hypoglycemia episode. Some things I eat (anything with wheat for example) will do that to me. You might try only taking it when you're eating a (healthy, and not oversized) meal in that case.

I have a relative with gout, might have him try it (he is a plumpy guy in his late 30s). Do you have any more info on that case where it helped or some other reference? Was it Liposomal C (home or commercial), how much was used and how long did it take to notice improvements?

I can't answer the above, but this is a good article on gout, from an excellent science writer who has tackled nutrition:
www.fourhourworkweek.com...

Unity_99
reply to post by lambros56

 

Well the little machine came from amazon, but I'm waiting for the lecithin. I'm going to attempt this one more time with my C powder, the regular use of it in juice hurt my teeth and my arthritis, but I've been told this is better. So will try it, but to be safe, my kids are going to rinse and rinse their teeth and brush with water after usage.

However, I recall a thread on C, and pineal. Its very good to take at night. And that's when I'll be taking it.

Currently trying to find some links since none of the searches bring up that thread I read. But one thing have already found is that Vitamin C in liposomal form is immediately recognized by the liver. So this can't wait for the lecithin.

edit to add: found the thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 5-3-2014 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

Just a quick reminder:

Anyone who is purchasing a new ultrasonic machine PLEASE make sure you run at least 3-5 different batches of just plain water to break up all the metals in it, or else your concoction will be infused with a metalic taste from the breaking off of some the metals from your machine.

One of my friends who just started making Lipo-C said he had good experience with Water mixed with activated charcoal and run this mixture twice to get rid of metallic particles

RedCairo

lambros56
Don't know if it's just me but sometimes when I drink it of a morning I get really sleepy.
So bad sometimes I just conk out.....

Sounds like a hypoglycemia episode. Some things I eat (anything with wheat for example) will do that to me. You might try only taking it when you're eating a (healthy, and not oversized) meal in that case.

Thanks.
I thought it was only to be drank on an empty stomach ?

What I find strange about the online resources you find about this method is that nearly all articles seem to mention a 70%-90% effeciency in liposome formation but I have yet to
find a single analytical experiment that this claim is based on.

Some people have performed the simple carbon dioxode test of the final solution and this shows that there's still a noteworthy amount of gas being produced. In fact I would like to explore this further myself and actualy measure the volume of gas being produced when sodium bicarbonate is added to a lecithin+vitC solution of various ratios and comparing that to a water+vitC solution.

Imo this is the simplest analytical method one can perform to have atleast a tangible figure of liposome percentage in solution. The current figures seems to have come out of nowhere into existance without any references and that bothers me.

broli
What I find strange about the online resources you find about this method is that nearly all articles seem to mention a 70%-90% effeciency in liposome formation but I have yet to find a single analytical experiment that this claim is based on. ... The current figures seems to have come out of nowhere into existance without any references and that bothers me.

Actually that is incorrect. The original reference came from Dr. Brooks Bradley, a longterm Eli Lilly pharmacorp researcher now long retired and who used to (not long ago, but not much currently, as he is elderly and had life issues and was not a big computer person) communicate with the public through a semi-private listserver related to colloidal silver. He is part of a group of people at least some of who are experienced and credentialed such as himself, who do experimental research, not a big formal thing but a more private enthusiasm and curiosity thing.

Bradley had been working informally with Dr. Thomas Levi whose company LivOn Labs had the first and most successful liposomal vitamin C formula on the market. They have a proprietary form of phospholipid they use, and they use "impact-encapsulation" (as opposed to "temperature-encapsulation" as the former is probably more effective %-wise but I am not sure). After Levy's process was clear, Bradley started thinking about how this could perhaps be done at home and even if it required money, time, equipment, etc. might still end up more affordable than $1/gram. Bradley was the original source of the idea of DIY liposomal C, which was initially an off the top of his head idea, and then he tried it out and eventually had a ratio of available-from-home ingredients. He arranged for an associate's lab (or him at their lab, not sure of detail) to freeze it and then look at it with the microscope required and measured it as approximately 79% encapsulation. Then he shared his approach in a paragraph on the internet, which got a lot of forwarding and posting all over, and a lot of people decided to try it. In much later discussions he insisted that the approach resulted in, at the minimum, >50% encapsulation. Because the power/speed of blender, temperatures, process speed and more vary with the individual, his % cannot really be "assumed" for everyone else's DIY liposomal C, it's going to vary, but I tend to use 50-79% as the estimate low/highs just as a guess.

As for the 90%, actually about 90-95% is a number usually used for the "liposomal efficiency" meaning encapsulation percentage of professionally or commercially arranged liposomal formulations such as those by LivOn Labs. This is measured by their own labs as part of the development of the product; I am unaware if official white papers exist on this from each commercial source, probably not.

The 90% number is also used by some when referring to the "body-absorption" of Liposomal Vitamin C, and this referring to that which is truly (a) liposomal (encapsulated) and (b) less than 200 (some say 400) nanometers and so not disassembled at the liver. This number is probably related to a lot of research on liposomal encapsulation for pharmaceutical drugs using that delivery method as that's the original source and idea of all this. That is in comparison to an estimated 16% absorption of plain ascorbic acid orally, and approx. 30-odd% absorption of intravenous sodium ascorbate administration.

Hope that helps. Using those refs perhaps you can google for more.

PS oh yeah. and:

Some people have performed the simple carbon dioxode test of the final solution and this shows that there's still a noteworthy amount of gas being produced. In fact I would like to explore this further myself and actualy measure the volume of gas being produced when sodium bicarbonate is added to a lecithin+vitC solution of various ratios and comparing that to a water+vitC solution.

Bradley provided the ('loose layman try it out and see') idea of combining bicarbonate with the resultant formula in a certain ratio and stirring and looking at the quantity of foam generated and loosely estimating encapsulation from that. However this was challenged because like everything else, his ability to measure what HE had/did and results, can't truly compare to people doing it who may have any number of variations (subtle or gross) in process, skewing the final results. He agreed this was actually true, and apologized for it not being as useful an idea, as a result, as it seemed.

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Will do, but haven't got the lecithin yet? Forgot when in a bigger town to look in the health food store, so I guess I wait for the mail. But yes, will run some plain water through several times.

nightlight7

toastyr
A friend of ours no longer suffers with gout and attributes it to vitamin C. Maybe the lecithin is at work?

I have a relative with gout, might have him try it (he is a plumpy guy in his late 30s). Do you have any more info on that case where it helped or some other reference? Was it Liposomal C (home or commercial), how much was used and how long did it take to notice improvements?

Hello, it is not lipo C, it's ascorbic acid powder in water. He titrated to bowel tolerance and takes about 1000mg less, he claims lots of energy. He's not interested in the lipo C and this is working for him. He was also diagnosed with prostate cancer and said his PSA numbers went down after starting the vitamin C.

Is it also possible to do this with an ultrasonic bath?:



As for cheap alternative ways to determine encapsulation rate. Shouldn't it also be possible to measure the TDS of the solution or a diluted variant of it to measure the amount of dissolved solids in it. Sodium Ascorbate would in this case be useful, and a before and after case can easily be compared to get an idea of efficacy of the process.

Apparently my CD4820 (70W ultrasonic power) didn't burn out after all. I performed a simple water+vegetable oil experiment but it didn't emulsify as good as the video. The water did become translucent and the oil on top is less viscous but there's still a clear dividing line. Perhaps the difference between 70W (bath) and 400W (probe) is not to be taken lightly.