I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

lambros56
Just a quick one.......
If after making a batch...after an hour or two, I find sediment at the bottom of my mix.
Should I put it back into the sonic blender for a while ?

There is "separating" which is one thing -- super sour is how you know that happened.

Then there is simply having "a little more lecithin than the water and ascorbic could fully mix with." That won't hurt you, it's just a lecithin-only bit, tends to be brown.

You could mix it back in but except a simple shake or stir I wouldn't both blending it again -- once you have sonicated it, the formula should be done -- blending it a great deal may warm it to the point of releasing the lipospheres.

Brooks Bradley (who came up with the DIY-C approach) had this to say about it:

Interestingly, the meniscus may present at the top... or the bottom... or not at all. Usually if the initial material combination has not run long enough to incorporate a majority of the lecithin (or there is simply too much lecithin for the available ascorbic acid fraction... the meniscus will form on the top of the sample... within a few minutes after stopping the US agitation.

If your procedure has run acceptably well and----long enough to homogenize well, any meniscus formation will, generally, present on the BOTTOM after overnight storage--- with or without refrigeration.

In any event, you are doing fine. If you do not want to consume the isolated lecithin fraction you are observing, just decant the homogenized liposome solution and dispose of the isolated lecithin fraction. I hope this information helps your dilemma.

Hope that helps.

reply to post by Julie Washington

I don't know where I got that it just works.
I can say after one week of one once every 2 hrs. my headaces and joint pain are gone.
The only vit c I could find not from china was from lynus Pauling website.

reply to post by RedCairo



Thank you.
That really is helpful !

Julie Washington

toastyr
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Hi Julie, if I may ask, what is the consistency of your concoction? I noticed that our recipes differ a tad, I use one more cup of water and 1 more table spoon than you do.

My recipe:4 cups of distilled water with 12 tablespoons of lecithin powder

2 cups of distilled water with 4 tablespoons of vitamin C



I mix the vitamin C and water and put them in the fridge for later, then I heat the lecithin water in a hot water bath and get it up to 113°F then cool to 86°F and blend with the refrigerated vitamin C in my blender and put it away until it gets to 45°F at which time I put it in the USC for about 20 minutes.


When I was sick, I was taking up to 24oz a day, now that I feel well again I take 3oz every few hours. I really like it and can tell a big difference when I need more.

edit on 21-1-2014 by toastyr because: (no reason given)

- My Lecithin measure is the same as yours.

- My Vit C measure is equivalent to your 2 cups of water, BUT 6 tablespoons of Vitamin C. (My recipe is modified from the original... I wanted to boost the Vit-C content)

DO NOT put your vitamin C in the refrigerator for a cool down. As a matter of fact, don't even mix it with the water until you are ready to put it in the sonicator. The exposure of Vit-C to oxygen quickly depletes the Vit-C.

I suggest you make your lecithin just as you have been, then right before sonicating prepare the Vit-C/Water and then blend them together and then immediately sonicate them. After sonification immediately put in air tight containers and then put in the refrigerator.

You may be loosing some Vitamin C effectiveness by letting it sit in the refrigerator.

Also I think you are having too large of temperature changes.

Try this next time - heat the lecithin like you have been, then add the room temp vitamin c, blend well and then sonicate. Let me know if this works for you and you see or feel any difference.

You might also try a smaller batch. This may be too large of a batch to sonicate all at once. Perhaps you are not getting a good sonification.

My measures:

2 Cups Distilled water with 6 Tablespoons Lecithin
1 Cup Distilled water with 3 Tablespoons Vitamin C

Also, always store you Vit-C and Lecithin powders in the refrigerator in air tight containers.

Hope that helps, good luck!

edit on 21-1-2014 by Julie Washington because: (no reason given)

Hi Julie, sorry for the long delay in response.

I'm actually very happy with how mine is turning out, just curious why yours was different and you answered that, thanks. I may try upping the vitamin C, but right now it comes out great with no separation. Very similar to what Red is doing, I think it helps with the encapsulation if the vitamin C is colder.

I also had issues when doing two batches as the machine was hot for the second batch. I now put cold ice water prior to the second batch and it has helped lots.

One of my eBay saved sellers has some interesting higher capacity Ultrasonic Cleaners with draining devices which some may find useful.....

www.ebay.ca...

NOTE: I have NOT purchased from this seller (99% Positive Feedback) but have saved because the seller is Canadian and local in British Columbia....nor do I have any relationship with this seller or any specific items....

(I purchased what appears to be the identical 1.4 litre one thru Amazon.ca so I could take advantage of their return policy should it be necessary....a bit cheaper here...)


Just scroll down their page and note that some separate the sonicating and heating power requirements....and that some have two sonicating units because of the larger capacity....


Hope this is of help to someone....

I have got to say this liposomal vitamin C has changed my world!!!

It is AWESOME!!!

I went from really sick from a very debilitating disease to healthier than can be.

The difference is amazing.

I can honestly say this thread changed my life!

Thank you!!!!

nerdyclutzyblonde
I have got to say this liposomal vitamin C has changed my world!!!

It is AWESOME!!!

I went from really sick from a very debilitating disease to healthier than can be.

The difference is amazing.

I can honestly say this thread changed my life!

Thank you!!!!

That is great!!!

We would love to hear more about your story and what improvements you've seen if you are willing to share.

Wow, I tried reading this thread but it's way too long. I'm excited to see that people are talking about Lipo C though. I saw early in the thread that "a kid" in New Zealand recovered from illness because of lipo C, but I'm wondering if you the poster was referring to the man who had Swine Flu and leukemia. The doctors wanted to pull the plug on him, but his family fight them and were able to get first IV C and then later lipo C in him and he made a COMPLETE recovery. Just as amazing story! You can YouTube it--60 Minutes out of New Zealand covered it.

Anyway, I hope someone can answer my question (and I apologize if it's already been asked and answered). I've been making lipo C for several months now and I really like it (I have Lyme Disease so I feel I need it).

Anyway, my question is actually about liposomal magnesium. I've been trying to bring my low magnesium levels up for a long time but have been unsuccessful. Another woman I know had the same issue until she started taking over-the-counter liposomal magnesium. Finally she got her numbers optimal. I would rather make my own than spend $30 for 30 servings, especially since I already have the sunflower lecithin and the ultrasonic cleaner, but I cannot--for the life of me--find an online recipe. Does anyone here have one? If so, can you please tell me the king of magnesium I should get (I don't want calcium with it, please) and how much I'd need to use? Also, do you know if the magnesium can be combined into the liposomal C recipe or should it be its own mixture?

Thanks. I joined this site specifically to find an answer to the above--sure hope someone can help me!

breezy300
Wow, I tried reading this thread but it's way too long. I'm excited to see that people are talking about Lipo C though. I saw early in the thread that "a kid" in New Zealand recovered from illness because of lipo C, but I'm wondering if you the poster was referring to the man who had Swine Flu and leukemia. The doctors wanted to pull the plug on him, but his family fight them and were able to get first IV C and then later lipo C in him and he made a COMPLETE recovery. Just as amazing story! You can YouTube it--60 Minutes out of New Zealand covered it.

Anyway, I hope someone can answer my question (and I apologize if it's already been asked and answered). I've been making lipo C for several months now and I really like it (I have Lyme Disease so I feel I need it).

Anyway, my question is actually about liposomal magnesium. I've been trying to bring my low magnesium levels up for a long time but have been unsuccessful. Another woman I know had the same issue until she started taking over-the-counter liposomal magnesium. Finally she got her numbers optimal. I would rather make my own than spend $30 for 30 servings, especially since I already have the sunflower lecithin and the ultrasonic cleaner, but I cannot--for the life of me--find an online recipe. Does anyone here have one? If so, can you please tell me the king of magnesium I should get (I don't want calcium with it, please) and how much I'd need to use? Also, do you know if the magnesium can be combined into the liposomal C recipe or should it be its own mixture?

Thanks. I joined this site specifically to find an answer to the above--sure hope someone can help me!

Hello and welcome.

I had no idea or even gave liposomal magnesium a thought. I also have low levels and find it difficult to supplement orally with magnesium. I just recently started using magnesium lotion made by Morton salt company, works great, just apply it on my thighs before bed and then again when I wake up in the morning, after a shower.

I will also look into this as it had not occurred to me, I find the lotion to be tolerable, more so than the liposomal vitamin C, lol, that can be rough to get down some times. Not sure what it is, taste, I suppose.

reply to post by breezy300


Breezy, I can't answer your Magnesium question, but if you look in my signature line you will see a link to a summary of this thread. Of course it doesn't have all the discussions that followed, but it does have the basis of all the information of Lipo-C.

reply to post by toastyr


Thanks for your responses. I have to apologize for all the typos in my above post (and probably in this one). The Lyme causes me to make a lot of mistakes I didn't used to make. I just cringed when I re-read my other post--I don't know you guys could even follow it!

Anyway, if you find a recipe for liposomal magnesium, it would be great. I have not been able to, even though I've seen conversations in which people are discussing lipo mag.

I don't know if you've had your levels tested, but if not you may want to get the RBC (red blood cell) magnesium test. It's still a blood draw but looks at what's INSIDE the cell as opposed to just what's in the blood. Nearly everyone is deficient in magnesium as our soil is deficient (and hence our food). I take Epsom salt baths and also make magnesium spray out of magnesium chloride and distilled water and I spray it on every day, so I'm definitely getting magnesium transdermally. I also take magnesium orally. But no matter how much I take, my numbers only improve slightly (I started at 3.5, got up to 4.1 and am now back down to 3.7. My goal is to get above 6). I believe that liposomal magnesium is my best bet and I recently bought a bottle over the counter, but it is expensive and I'd rather make it myself.

As for lipo C, I actually like the taste, though it's a bit tart. Not too bad though.




Thanks!

reply to post by Julie Washington


Breezy, I can't answer your Magnesium question, but if you look in my signature line you will see a link to a summary of this thread. Of course it doesn't have all the discussions that followed, but it does have the basis of all the information of Lipo-C.

Thanks, Julie. I guess my only question about lipo C right now is whether I should be using ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate. I've been using ascorbic acid, but I read something about it eventually wearing away the enamel on the teeth (though I'd think the better encapsulated it is, the less likely this would be) and I also know that sodium ascorbate is what the commercial manufacturers use and what's given when someone does an IV C drip (pH balance is supposed to be easier on the veins). I've also read that in writing medical documents, a lot of researchers abbreviate with "AA," even when they're referring to sodium ascorbate, which could obviously lead to some confusion. Finally, I've seen that some people are adding baking soda to their lipo C recipes in order to buffer the ascorbic acid and change the pH balance but--in that case--why not just use sodium ascorbate to begin with? The one and only argument I can make in favor of AA right now is that it's what's preferred when people take oral vitamin C and liposomal C is oral. However, the mechanism by which it's used is different, so I go back to thinking that maybe sodium ascorbate is the better choice. Do you have an opinion on this?

Second (I guess I do have another question), what is the recommended brand/source of either ascorbate acid or sodium ascrobate? I was using a brand that I now realize does not say that the ascorbic acid is GMO-free (meaning that it comes from GMO-free corn or rice). In doing some research last night, I found a brand that is GMO-free and that does not come from China, but it's more expensive (but worth it, to me). I also saw that some people are using rose hips to make their lipo C or finding crystals that are derived from something other than corn (which hopefully means it has a higher chance of being "safe"), but I don't know what they're using. Do the people in this thread have a brand/source of C that they recommend? Should I be posting this in the new summary thread you created?

Thanks!
Breezy

breezy300
reply to post by toastyr
Anyway, if you find a recipe for liposomal magnesium, it would be great. I have not been able to, even though I've seen conversations in which people are discussing lipo mag.

There is Magnesium Ascorbate, which gives you Magnesium plus vitamin C in the same potion. The only issue it has is the stability in plain water -- if you stir it for couple minutes in water (before pouring it into lecithin emulsion), the solution turns black and has very tart, unpleasant taste (it is supposed to be pH neutral). Obviously there was breakdown and it is probably not suitable for consumption. Combining it with Sodium Ascorbate speeds up the breakdown, while combining it with Ascorbic Acid slows it down (i.e. it's more stable in acidic pH).

My workaround was to use all of the 1.5 cups of water for blending lecithin for several minutes, then (after cooling in the fridge) at the end, right before sonification, add 2 spoons of Magnesium Ascorbate (30g) to the emulsion in the blender, then blend it together for 20-30 sec. That dissolves it quickly and encapsulates it in large liposomes before it could break down.

The resulting taste is more pleasant than that of Sodium Ascorbate (which I find a bit salty). I also use non-GMO sunflower lecithin from Swanson's which already has a pretty decent taste compared to soy lecithin.

It's been a while since I've checked this page out but I thought I'd share a new ultrasonic cleaner I've purchased - it has 4 transducers and I make 1L batches at time with it. Have owned it for about 6 months now and it's proven very reliable:

www.ebay.co.uk... 007ef9bd

The best feature (besides the capacity) has been the temperature monitor, it allows me to keep the temps below 25oC so to avoid too much degradation of vitamin C.

I've been doing this DIY LET for a long while now and I wanted to share my latest method with you all (using the above UC):

The quantities needed are 944ml DISTILLED water, 12 tablespoons lecithin granules (preferably non-GMO sunflower) and 4 tablespoons of ascorbic acid powder.

1 - Create the vitamin C solution using ALL of the distilled water, blending until the C has completely dissolved (in my case, 944ml of water with 61.2grams (or 4 tablespoon) of Ascorbic Acid)
2 - when fully dissolved, add the 12 tablespoons (measured by volume) of lecithin granules
3 - blend for 10 minutes with a stick blender.
4 - pour into sealable container and leave over night in the fridge to settle and for the lecithin to soak
5 - next day, blend again about 5 minutes until a smooth colour
6 - pour into the UC, run it for 30 minutes, stirring regularly (my new UC is very powerful, the surface literally jumps up and splashes - it literally stirs itself)

The beauty of using it straight from the fridge is that it'll be stone cold when you add it to the cleaner so it will not over heat (and damage the vitamin C - which from what I've read begins degradation at 30 oC and fully denatures at 70 oC )

My reasoning for mixing the C with the water first is that liposomal action is naturally occurring, so it makes sense to me (and from what I've read in the 100+ pages and various links) that as soon as you add the lecithin to the liquid it will instantly start to form lipids. The above method ensures that the lipids form over vitamin C water solution as opposed to just distilled water. The storing in the fridge part overnight ensures the lecithin is well watered down, before you give it a final blend then proceed to UCing it to break the liposomes down further.

The taste seems less sour and more oily than the original pdazzler method and I have yet to reach bowl tolerance (my straight AA vitamin C tolerance is around 3.5 - 4 grams).

I also think the people who feel out-of-this-world amazing after taking this may well be choline deficient which can lead to lethargy, liver complications and difficulty focussing. Lecithin is rich in choline, which can be used (amongst other things) as a nootropic supplement and can greatly improve memory, focus and energy levels (look up CDP Choline or Choline Bitartrate if you have memory issues).

I hope the above is of some use to you!

Thanks

Boxertwin

Vit C temps :
www.vitaminable.com...

CDP Choline info (Cytidine Diphosphate-Choline) :
www.webmd.com...

reply to post by boxertwin


Thanks for that, I shall try making it this way as I do feel it would be better to mix the Vit C and Lecithin together rather than letting the lecithin sit overnight in water before adding the Vit C. Also its going to make it so much easier to mix the AA and get it to dissolve in the larger amount of water.

Another thing I have been doing is heating the lecithin as I read that it needs to be warmed in order for the liposomes to form, however I've discovered from another forum that this is not the case and just having the mix at room temp is sufficient.

May I ask if you are seeing any benefit to taking the mix?

Thanks again

Lavendergal
reply to post by boxertwin

 

Thanks for that, I shall try making it this way as I do feel it would be better to mix the Vit C and Lecithin together rather than letting the lecithin sit overnight in water before adding the Vit C. Also its going to make it so much easier to mix the AA and get it to dissolve in the larger amount of water.

Another thing I have been doing is heating the lecithin as I read that it needs to be warmed in order for the liposomes to form, however I've discovered from another forum that this is not the case and just having the mix at room temp is sufficient.

May I ask if you are seeing any benefit to taking the mix?

Thanks again

No problem and you're welcome, I think it's important we share our personal experiences - especially regarding health. I've tried a lot of supplements over the years and lipo-C has had the most impact.

I've never needed to heat the lecithin and I don't get any separation even after a week (the image below is of my latest batch which is 4 days old - consistent colour with no separation). I find after leaving over night after the initial blend it does separate a fair bit which goes to show that the second blending and final sonication process work well at "homogenising" the mixture.

Regarding health benefits - I notice a slight energy boost and I am able to focus and think with more clarity (I attribute that to the choline though). The biggest benefit for me (in terms of the vitamin C content) has been with my immune system, I never get sick when taking this - even when working in an office full of people with chest infections and colds. People always comment on how I never get ill, which is the polar opposite of how I was as a child/teenager (constant chest and throat infections, years worth of antibiotics which ruined my gut). Years of being passed around Drs before I took matters into my own hands, now I've never been healthier and lipo-vit c played a part in my recovery (my main change was with my diet - discovered I have a lot of food intolerances and I used supplementation to help repair the damage done).

Also worth mentioning - I purchased 2 months supply of the Livon Labs stuff and I had a similar improved immune system but I didn't get the energy levels I get with the home made stuff (probably down to the higher quality, natural/non-GMO lecithin content I used in my mixture).



I hope the above is of use to you!

I'm thinking of trying this for my daughter, 13 yrs old.

She suffers from daily numbing of the left side of her face and turns into a severe pounding headache. This happens for just a few minutes, then goes away and happens again a few minutes later. Like it comes in "waves". Not all day long, but a few times per day.

She has been to doctors, tried migraine meds and had a CAT scan (all clear), seen a chiropractor 2 times per week for 3 months (no more work to do on her spine/neck/jaw), and even tried biofeedback.

Any thoughts on whether this may or may not work for her symptoms? I saw a thread recently on a guy who came back from a death sentence of the flu and a diagnosis leukemia, and is now healthy.

Just looking for an answer to her problems... any thoughts?

tinker9917
I'm thinking of trying this for my daughter, 13 yrs old.

She suffers from daily numbing of the left side of her face and turns into a severe pounding headache. This happens for just a few minutes, then goes away and happens again a few minutes later. Like it comes in "waves". Not all day long, but a few times per day.

She has been to doctors, tried migraine meds and had a CAT scan (all clear), seen a chiropractor 2 times per week for 3 months (no more work to do on her spine/neck/jaw), and even tried biofeedback.

Any thoughts on whether this may or may not work for her symptoms? I saw a thread recently on a guy who came back from a death sentence of the flu and a diagnosis leukemia, and is now healthy.

Just looking for an answer to her problems... any thoughts?

This may well help her and there's no harm in trying (just use organic sunflower lecithin in case she's intolerant to soya). Have you looked at her diet at all? Look into getting her allergy tested? I'd cut out synthetics and refined sugars from her diet. I've done the same with my eldest who used to go into shock whenever he had colourings - he's like a different child now.

Also there's a site that maps your DNA and looks for predispositions to health issues called www.23andme.com - they have been barred from giving health reports based on DNA analysis by the FDA since last year (which in itself could be a conspiracy) but they can still give you all the information you'll need so that you can send it to a third party to get it analysed - for third parties take a look here: cruwys.blogspot.co.uk...

I hope that's of some use to you!

reply to post by boxertwin


After reading your post, I decided to follow your instructions to see if there's any difference.
I haven't drank any yet as I still have a small amount from an earlier mixture.

The first thing I've noticed that's different is the colour.
My old mix is more milky in colour.......similar to the photo you've posted.
The batch I've just made is much darker...

tinker9917
I'm thinking of trying this for my daughter, 13 yrs old.

She suffers from daily numbing of the left side of her face and turns into a severe pounding headache. This happens for just a few minutes, then goes away and happens again a few minutes later. Like it comes in "waves". Not all day long, but a few times per day.

She has been to doctors, tried migraine meds and had a CAT scan (all clear), seen a chiropractor 2 times per week for 3 months (no more work to do on her spine/neck/jaw), and even tried biofeedback.

Any thoughts on whether this may or may not work for her symptoms? I saw a thread recently on a guy who came back from a death sentence of the flu and a diagnosis leukemia, and is now healthy.

Just looking for an answer to her problems... any thoughts?

I highly encourage you to try it on your daughter. There is no risk to her, as there are no side affects.

Now trying to understand what is going on with her neurologically is another story. Have the doctors labled her diagnosis yet?

I did a quick google search and came up with Hemiplegic Headaches. Read this and let us know if it sounds like the symptoms she is experiencing.

In any event, the bottom line is that this could be nuerological which Vitamin C is excellent for. Vitamin C restores and repairs brain nerves, so if that is her problem, it should help.

If you decide to try it, be sure to give it some time... keep her doses elevated for maximum effectiveness.

I would be very interested to hear about your results. I've had a doctor do in lab vitro testing and confirm that it does promote positive cell and nerve growth.

Hemiplegic Headaches