I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

a reply to: nightlight7

Thanks for sharing your observations... a great addition to this thread.

a reply to: nightlight7

Thanks, now I know not to sonicate liposomal-c and bicarbonate LOL.

I think the cold-sonication (vs. warmer) is likely good, I've always been nervous to get too warm or just warm for too long and degrade the ascorbic acid or re-open the liposomes in a way not desirable.

I never did blender it much though. Like 20-30 seconds in a bullet blender.

I have awhile till I need to make more but next time, I'm going to blend the AA into water and then use that water to soak the lecithin. I suspect the only result of this is that my formula will be horrifically sour and I won't be able to take as much without the flush effect, but it's worth a try.

originally posted by: ColeYounger
I have some other info I feel I must share. I just had a long phone conversation with my nephew, who is a world-class power lifter. I called to tell him about the vitamin C elixir, and he was interested. He told me he's had incredible results with "quark", which is a staple of the Budwig protocol for cancer treatment. Even though he's healthy as can be, he started using it as part of his regular diet when he found out some big name lifters were using it.
I got the quark recipe off youtube, and went back to Wholefoods (again) to buy organic cottage cheese, flax oil and flax seed.

My nephew said after a short time of eating the quark mixture twice daily, his workout recoveries are incredible, his skin looks like a baby's, and his hair is thicker. People think he's using some steroid or human-growth hormone because he looks like he's 16. (He's 32)

I hate the term "superfood" as it's so overused, but this stuff may very well be a superfood. It's not just for those battling cancer. The mechanism which supposedly makes this stuff work so well is the high sulphur content in the cottage cheese combining with the EFAs in the flax. The proponents claim it's like a super 'cell food'.

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I bought the ingredients for the liposomal vitamin C but don't have an ultrasonic mixer yet. I also looked up the Budwig recipe you mentioned containing Organic Cottage Cheese, Flax oil, flax seed, and raw honey.

I whipped up a batch of that stuff and boy is it hard to eat. It almost tastes like oatmeal. I couldn't imagine myself eating this every day much less twice a day. It sort of tastes like oatmeal with nuts in it. I don't know, maybe I'll vomit, maybe not. Time will tell. Looking forward to making the Liposomal C.

a reply to: RedCairo

I sonicate my Vit C & sodium Bicarb all the time w/o a problem.
I still use the extra Vit C per Julie's recipe...
I use
Liq Sunflower Lecithin 8 tbs per 2 cups distilled water
Vit C 6 tab per 2 cups distilled water
Sodium Bicarb 2 tabs per 2 cups distilled water

I dissolve the Vit C in the water & the Sodium Bicarb dissolves pretty much...
this was with heating the Vit C solution to 90 to 100 deg F...
then slowly, slowly, blending the 2...
mean while the Sunflower Lecithin is liquid so I heated the water to 120F &
mixed the lecithin...poured into UC & actually ran a 1 or 2 times while mixing
the rest of the "magic"...

Bloody Hell I have been there with those of you with the BLOW UPS from
*$#%% in regards to the Vit C & Bicarb mix...why it needs to be a very controlled
slow mix.

I cannot tell any difference from e cold batches at the beginning (not heating anything)
to heating. They have both worked for me & I cannot tell a difference in taste or
anything else. I started adding the sodium bicarb after the 1st batch I made & not
knowing about it...oh so bloody sour & not pleasant.

So now if the word is go back to normal & not worry about heating that would be much
easier for me. I haven't been on Vit C for a month now because I ran out of ingredients & was out of town.

I just re-ordered ingredients tonight & hope they arrive before I have to leave town again.
Thanks so much to ALL who are still here as well as the new comers. This thread is important
& needs to continue.

Thanks to ALL in RE to me mum, I greatly appreciate it! I hope I can be back to help
with info...

Cheers
Ektare

Hi Diablo...

I just ran the video...It sounds like it could be a morning treat if you add the fresh fruit....
In the good old days I would add fresh or canned crushed pineapple to cottage cheese with ground toasted sunflower seeds and/or ground toasted almonds for a delicious high protein snack....
I believe the fresh fruit is critical to turning this from an unpalatable mush to a treat....

(Now, being super sensitive to cow's milk and flax seed I have to invent other dishes...)

Experiment with different fruits...you may become a Budwig aficionado....

Regards,
Tarasco

Sadly the fresh fruit, especially pineapple, is filled with sugar, which is the last thing anybody with cancer should be ingesting. If you're just eating it to see if it helps thicken your hair, perhaps it wouldn't hurt. ;-)

a reply to: Ektar

The problem with adding bicarbonate is, of course, that there will be no sourness once you do it fully. Which means when people add bicarbonate prior to actually tasting their resultant formula, they would have no idea how well encapsulated the formula might be.

Just a thought.

a reply to: RedCairo

The 1st batch I made was extremely sour...but thank you for the reminder as
I should probably retest since I added more Vit C along time ago...

I have not had any Vit C since the week me mum passed 8 April.
I ran out of lecithin & was just able to reorder last night.

I will reflect & respond to the differences as I have not had any
energy or motivation...but with mum passing that will be a problem
as well.

I have had physical problems with extreme sciatica & practically bed ridden
from 26 March until !7 April...plus different nerve problems causing different
areas of numbness. I was also started on Gabopentin in early March & ran out
before the sciatica episode...so I don't know how well that helps or not.

I can say that Flexeril TID & Hyrocodone tid still only barely phased me & only up
to go to the restroom.

I will give an update at the end of the MAY.

Thanks to everyone for keeping this important thread going!

Cheers
Ektar

a reply to: RedCairo

Red Cairo...

I was just going by the Budwig video posted above...the lady was promoting it for cancer...and adding fruit and raw honey....

I, myself, do not have Cancer but I do have Diabetes 2 and am very aware of my glucose intake....

I have been eating pineapple for years and frozen fruit (blueberry, mango) smoothies with spinach and kale and Ginger and whole lime for the past 2 years....with no appreciable elevation of my blood glucose levels which I monitor obsessively....
There is the concept of Glycemic Index and Glycemic Load which probably explains my ability to process these fruits without spiking my blood glucose levels...on the other hand simple carbohydrates like bread, pasta, and oatmeal and pancakes will send the blood glucose thru the roof....

The sulfur component sounds like it's getting nutrients thru the blood brain barrier which is a desired state....
I am taking a number of supplements which do just that and, combined with my running and weight training, have a tendency to thicken what hair I have left and put a glow in my skin and a spring in my step....AND lower my Blood Glucose levels and make me healthy....

a reply to: Ektar

I had a terrible episode of sciatica pain after my children were born. Was referred to a Chiropractor and after 6 weeks of adjustments and massages, I've never had another issue.

There were times I literally could not move, get out of bed or get up off the floor without help and it hurt like $%#@#! So I feel your pain.

a reply to: Ektar

You should try vitamin D, vitamin A, boron, vitamin K2 and zinc for sciatica pain, they are all cofactors and should help tremendously along with the vitamin C.

You should also look into iodine supplementing as well, I believe there is a thread here too.

a reply to: Tarasco

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originally posted by: toastyr
a reply to: Ektar

You should try vitamin D, vitamin A, boron, vitamin K2 and zinc for sciatica pain, they are all cofactors and should help tremendously along with the vitamin C.

You should also look into iodine supplementing as well, I believe there is a thread here too.

I seem to have forgotten magnesium as well, I use a magnesium lotion daily.

a reply to: Tarasco

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a reply to: toastyr

Can't believe this thread is still going

I am sure it has been covered but I am not looking through this monster to find it -

You probably shouldn't use ascorbic acid for lipsomal as it isn't good for your bloods PH.

I have been reading that sodium ascorbate is the best highly available form.

I assume that's why some people add bicarbonate of soda to it?

Could do with a new and improved thread on the latest process for lipsomal as there is lots of conflicting info out there.

And this thread is a monster

a reply to: toastyr

We got a big bag of epsom bath salts which is just pure magnesium, bath in a couple cups and you absorb some and its cheap!

Apparently magnesium deficiency is a massive problem not many are aware of.

originally posted by: Soapusmaximus
You probably shouldn't use ascorbic acid for lipsomal as it isn't good for your bloods PH.

Hi there.

Fortunately, blood pH is very tightly regulated, so "ingesting something acidic" is not going to throw it out of whack. If it did, orange juice and sodas would kill us, and not from their sweeteners.

Continuing ascorbic will make the gut and renal tracts more acidic (you can measure this in the urine, and it's not necessarily a bad thing). This is likely part of why research shows it is so healing for both areas.

The obsession with "alkaline" breeds fungus and cancers and is probably the worst meme ever. 'Balance' is the goal, not alkaline. The pH is actually a bit different in every area of the body (you can test even the most obvious version of this: your urine and your saliva are likely to be different even while water fasting), and is regulated internally, not merely by what we eat.

Acidic intakes, in general, are healthy. This is why apple cider vinegar, and diluted lemon in water, and unsweeted cranberry juice, are all said to be good for the liver and kidneys and bladder and health in general. They are all acidic.

I have been reading that sodium ascorbate is the best highly available form.

Well, actually no form of C except liposomal is "highly available." Ascorbate is slightly-more available which is still not very.

You have to consider the context here. Ascorbate if taken directly is believed to absorb at something like 20%, maybe 10% more if one is very lucky. Ascorbic is believed to absorb at something like 16%. However that is a direct oral dosage. The whole point of liposomal C is to encapsulate and/or emulsify the ascorbic so that it is absorbed differently by the body, as a lipid instead. Adding a mineral to the ascorbic just makes the molecule larger and possibly less likely to encapsulate or reduce to ~200nm to clear the liver if it does. Still, I think some people do approach it that way.

Only the partial/fraction of the formula which does not get encapsulated and/or emulsified, is going to be directly absorbed by the gut (the non-lipid handling areas). The primary value of a higher absorption point here would be to allow megadose with slightly more intake before bowel tolerance. The greater absorption of 4-15% of what is already a small fraction of something and what is already by far the minimal element of liposomal C is unlikely a big deal, but you can buffer it with bicarbonate if desired.

I assume that's why some people add bicarbonate of soda to it?

Usually after the formula is made, the fraction which did not encapsulate or emulsify fully can have bicarbonate applied which will buffer it into ascorbate. This will have a slightly higher % of absorption in the gut and has its own benefits. Ascorbic itself however has benefits directly in the gut as well. Some combination of the two might be ideal.

Could do with a new and improved thread on the latest process for lipsomal as there is lots of conflicting info out there.

And this thread is a monster

Yes it is. Julie Washington has a thread linked large on her signature that you can click, which is much shorter and focuses more on the process.

Hey guys I am back after a very long break. My supply of Sunflower
Lecithin has arrived & now I can finally get back on the program.

I haven't had any Lipo Vit C since ~8 April...I am looking forward to getting
back into the flow.

Now that many of us have been here a long time & recipes have changed
my question is did anyone finally figure out whether heating or not heating
made any difference?

My original non-heated batches seemed fine as well as the latest batches
that were being heated. Any input will be greatly appreciated.

I am thankful this thread still continues to keep marching on!

Cheers
Ektar

a reply to: toastyr

Thank you & thank you to Julie Washington...
I will try the Vitamins.

I had MRI of my back & the L4, L5, & S1 are pretty much toast.
& also have 2 large bone spurs, bulging disk, & stenosis. I need
back surgery & waiting for approval.

The sciatica was horrific! I am now on Gabapentin 1800mg / day,
200 mg Celebrex 2 times a day, flexeril 10 mg/ 3 times a day
(I only take it 3 times a week at night to sleep).

I cannot tell if any of these meds are working. I have had numbness
& pain in the lower limbs along with circulation problems since me hip
replacement in Aug 2013.

I am looking forward to me Lipo Vit C as that was what enabled me to
be able to function prior to surgery plus a quick recovery.

Cheers
Ektar

Recently when everybody was sick around me I took Liposome C and Oregano oil, never got sick.
Really the first combo that worked, that C is good stuff.