I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

toastyr
reply to post by lambros56

 

There is this...

Vitamin C as a Natural Cancer Treatment

Chris Beat Cancer . com

Oral megadoses of vitamin C and cancer

WOW - The Chris Beat Cancer link is the BEST!!

I couldn't get the last link to work...

Julie Washington

toastyr
reply to post by lambros56

 

There is this...

Vitamin C as a Natural Cancer Treatment

Chris Beat Cancer . com

Oral megadoses of vitamin C and cancer

WOW - The Chris Beat Cancer link is the BEST!!

I couldn't get the last link to work...

So sorry, I'll try again.

Oral Megadoses of Vitamin C and cancer

Great. I'll read more about it when I get past wondering why do you need a supplement when there's lemons and other natural food sources rich in vitamin c

Hi guys.
I've been reading this thread for quite a while now so I thought I would sign up so I could join in. Thanks for having me here.

I've made Lip C many times now and each time I've tried doing something a little different to see what the outcome is. Actually its nearly always the same, same colour, same texture etc. Comparing to other people's mixture, mine seems to be fine, but i'm not getting any results. I've been taking a shot glass of it in a morning but still managed to get a stinking cold Also, I see people posting more energy ect but I get nothing?

I've tried making the mix with 1 cup of distilled water plus 3 tbsp of lecithin. Then adding half cup of distilled water with one tbsp of Vit C as ascorbic acid. I've mixed them together at 104c, i've mixed them together at room temp and also at cold from the fridge. Resutling mix tastes/looks exactly the same.

So I wondered whether the liposomes would have more chance if the ingredients were added together from the beginning because surely it is better to have the Vit C in there from the start. So I started making 1 and 1/2 cups of water and adding the one tbsp of Vit C. Once this was dissolved I added the dry lecithin. Exactly the same as the above attempts I talked about.

I've tried letting the lecithin stand for a day so it is saturated and more gel like before adding to the Vit C and i've tried making it as soon as I add the ingredients together. I have always stick blended and then into the sonicator immediately, maybe this step is wrong?

Can anyone give me some advice on how they think I could make up a batch of that power juice that actually works! I have tried so many different variations and I'm getting head muddled from it all. I have seen lots of talk about it being important to get the temp up to 104f (40c) but does this mean before sonicating, before adding the Vit C.

Please help guys, I have done lots of testing and reading before posting but i'm at a loss as to how to make this stuff right.

Thanks LG.

reply to post by Lavendergal


Maybe you need more than just one shot glass a day. Try taking 3 a day, or 4...

If you are sick with a cold, you should be taking doses about every 2-3 hours.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Thank you for that. I have considered this, maybe there is nothing wrong with my mixture, i'm just not taking enough. There seems to be so many variables that i'm worried that I don't make it right.

I'm even thinking of buying some real stuff and seeing how I feel after that.

reply to post by Lavendergal


You are not taking enough. You should be taking a shot every 3 hours.

I take 2 oz. shots 2 -3 times a day.

reply to post by Julie Washington


Hi Julie, if I may ask, what is the consistency of your concoction? I noticed that our recipes differ a tad, I use one more cup of water and 1 more table spoon than you do.

My recipe:

4 cups of distilled water with 12 tablespoons of lecithin powder

2 cups of distilled water with 4 tablespoons of vitamin C

I mix the vitamin C and water and put them in the fridge for later, then I heat the lecithin water in a hot water bath and get it up to 113°F then cool to 86°F and blend with the refrigerated vitamin C in my blender and put it away until it gets to 45°F at which time I put it in the USC for about 20 minutes.


When I was sick, I was taking up to 24oz a day, now that I feel well again I take 3oz every few hours. I really like it and can tell a big difference when I need more.

toastyr
reply to post by Julie Washington

 

Hi Julie, if I may ask, what is the consistency of your concoction? I noticed that our recipes differ a tad, I use one more cup of water and 1 more table spoon than you do.

My recipe:4 cups of distilled water with 12 tablespoons of lecithin powder

2 cups of distilled water with 4 tablespoons of vitamin C



I mix the vitamin C and water and put them in the fridge for later, then I heat the lecithin water in a hot water bath and get it up to 113°F then cool to 86°F and blend with the refrigerated vitamin C in my blender and put it away until it gets to 45°F at which time I put it in the USC for about 20 minutes.


When I was sick, I was taking up to 24oz a day, now that I feel well again I take 3oz every few hours. I really like it and can tell a big difference when I need more.

edit on 21-1-2014 by toastyr because: (no reason given)

- My Lecithin measure is the same as yours.

- My Vit C measure is equivalent to your 2 cups of water, BUT 6 tablespoons of Vitamin C. (My recipe is modified from the original... I wanted to boost the Vit-C content)

DO NOT put your vitamin C in the refrigerator for a cool down. As a matter of fact, don't even mix it with the water until you are ready to put it in the sonicator. The exposure of Vit-C to oxygen quickly depletes the Vit-C.

I suggest you make your lecithin just as you have been, then right before sonicating prepare the Vit-C/Water and then blend them together and then immediately sonicate them. After sonification immediately put in air tight containers and then put in the refrigerator.

You may be loosing some Vitamin C effectiveness by letting it sit in the refrigerator.

Also I think you are having too large of temperature changes.

Try this next time - heat the lecithin like you have been, then add the room temp vitamin c, blend well and then sonicate. Let me know if this works for you and you see or feel any difference.

You might also try a smaller batch. This may be too large of a batch to sonicate all at once. Perhaps you are not getting a good sonification.

My measures:

2 Cups Distilled water with 6 Tablespoons Lecithin
1 Cup Distilled water with 3 Tablespoons Vitamin C

Also, always store you Vit-C and Lecithin powders in the refrigerator in air tight containers.

Hope that helps, good luck!

reply to post by Julie Washington


Dear Julie

Thank you so much for your explanation on how you make your own concoction. You gave a reply that has made me understand why we can't just tip dry lecithin into the Vit C water. I realise now its to stop the degrading of the Vit C. I have often made up the Vit C water, then dumped in the dry lecithin and left the concoction on the side or in the fridge for a day to give the lecithin time to soften up before blending and sonicating.

I have some lecithin sitting in water from yesterday that I will heat up today and then adding the room temp Vit C, made right before using, blending for a few mins with my stick blender and then straight into the sonicator.

I will also up my dosage. I am very excited to try this.

Thank you again, its so appreciated putting me on the right track!

Update.

Ok I made a batch with the lecithin and water I had made and put in the fridge yesterday. I heated this in a water bath up to 113f then added the freshly made Vit C which was slightly above room temp as the distilled water was straight from the distiller. I then whizzed them together with my stick blender for a few minutes which made a very thick and foamy mixture.

This was at 98f when I put it in the sonicator. The blend was so thick and foamy that when I stirred it around it kind of 'sprung back' like it was resisting being stirred.

After the first eight mins sonification, the temp was at 104f. I gave it a few minutes rest then sonificated for another eight minutes, whilst more or less continually stirring. I repeated this twice so it had 3 x 8 mins.

The mix is cooling in the fridge now but that pesky foam didn't go away much at all, its still probably 1/3 foam. I'm assuming this is because of all the air brought in by the stick blender, however I've read that this method is a good way of assuring the mix makes good liposomes.

What do you think? Should I be concerned about the amount of foam? I'm hoping i've done everything right. This batch does feel different and initially it was much thicker than i'm used to.

Thanks everyone.
Update now.

Thirty minutes later and its all gone wrong. The mix has separated out at the bottom and lots of loose lecithin. I'm ready to give up.

reply to post by Lavendergal


Lavendargal - don't give up yet - lets try to work this out.

My mix of lecithin has never been thick. More of a consistency of milk.

What are your measures for the lecithin exactly?

and what are your measures for the vitamin c exactly?

Let's start there and see if we can figure this out.

reply to post by Julie Washington


Thank you Julie, you are too kind.

My mix is the standard half cup of water with 1 tablespoon of Vit C powder as ascorbic acid. Plus one cup of water with 3 tbsp's of soy lecithin.

Everything seems to go well until the heating of the lecithin mix up to 104f. Well actually that bit is fine, its when I use the stick blender or stand alone blender to add the Vit C mix to it. It gets thick at this point and quite foamy. Eventually after a few minutes sonification, I find the mix loosens up and isn't so thick. Everything seems fine until I stop stirring/sonifacation and let the mix cool down. At this point I always get some sort of separation. Its often not a huge separation, but you can definitely see the mix is whiter at the top and darker at the bottom. It does seem to go back into mix once shaken but clearly its not good enough.

I actually thought that some thickening of the mixture was needed so you knew it had worked. I think i'm trying to follow too many different ways and its getting confusing.

Thank you
Shirley

Edited to add; Julie I was re-reading back through the thread trying to shed some light on this and I noticed that you had some problems when heating the solution too? You mentioned that you didn't get the benefits with the heated lecithin so went back to your original formula. This is great news for me as I thought you had to heat the mixture as I had read that lecithin has to reach 104f to cause liposomes to form?

I read it is minimal 110 degrees F.

I heat my lecithin-water to between 110 and 120 F.
My ascorbic water is coming from the fridge and mine is max cold, so 40s F I guess.
I blend them together quickly but briefly (30 seconds in a high speed bullet blender), so the cold AA-water will cause the lecithin-water to close up into liposomes.

Then I dump it into the sonicator and do one cycle, let it cool very well, and then another, letting each cool well and if it's not cold in the room where I'm doing it, keeping the lid off so heat can escape.
I sonicate until the batch has almost no bubbles/foam except a few trivials on the edges. I use 3 (1.5 cup each) batches in a 2 litre well. I sometimes run it 4-7 times. I sometimes take a couple days to finish it, just turning it on for an 8 minute cycle when I walk past.

My formula never separates... I've kept it for a month unrefrigerated although the room was pretty cold.

The only time I've had separation issues is when the blending or the sonicating seemed to go on long enough to heat up the mix, so it probably UNencapsulated it. That was early days.

In your case it's possible you never opened up the lecithin enough to begin with. It does have to reach a certain temp, I think you're possibly a little low.

*

It may help to realize that the original DIY formula didn't involve temp. It was depending on a super robust blender used for a long time to do what I jokingly call "impact-encapsulation." The above description I'm using is basically ditching that, beyond a serious but very brief blend, and instead attempting to do "temperature-encapsulation." So it's kind of a different reasoning for what's being done and why. The original DIY approach had a very long blend time because it was trying to use the 'impact' of the blending to force the liposomes and the ascorbic together. Using the temperature is basically a completely different way of going about it. But what is easy to miss is that blending and sonicating both create warmth. Create enough warmth during the process and you open those liposomes right back up and it dumps out everything you may have just finished encapsulating.

For whatever it's worth.

RedCairo
I read it is minimal 110 degrees F.

I heat my lecithin-water to between 110 and 120 F.
My ascorbic water is coming from the fridge and mine is max cold, so 40s F I guess.
I blend them together quickly but briefly (30 seconds in a high speed bullet blender), so the cold AA-water will cause the lecithin-water to close up into liposomes.

Then I dump it into the sonicator and do one cycle, let it cool very well, and then another, letting each cool well and if it's not cold in the room where I'm doing it, keeping the lid off so heat can escape.
I sonicate until the batch has almost no bubbles/foam except a few trivials on the edges. I use 3 (1.5 cup each) batches in a 2 litre well. I sometimes run it 4-7 times. I sometimes take a couple days to finish it, just turning it on for an 8 minute cycle when I walk past.

I have converged to a very similar recipe (115F for initial lecithin emulsion), except for "couple days" of sonification (I terminate after 35-40 min of sonification, when the liquid is foam free, milky and uniform, and temperature reaches 85-90F). I also use a clear polystyrene box (resin code #6, the most innert of rasins) floating on top of 2 glasses of water inside the main tub for the Liposomal mixture, as mentioned few posts ago, to prevent metallic taste in the brew. Metal or conducting contact can also steal the electrons from the Vitamin C, diminishing its antioxidant capacity (I also use plastic spoon to stir it for the same reason).

I have also switched to Magnesium Ascorbate from the Sodium Ascorbate I used before and I am experiencing a better effect in that form (judging from the well being sensation). Plus one gets the ionic Magnesium in a high absorption form, which is a vital mineral, without having to take a separate supplement such as Magnesium-citrate (Mg deficiency is common with products of modern agriculture).

With powdered supplements which are not very heat sensitive, such as Acetyl-L-Carnitine (ALCAR), Creatine and Glutamine, which I have also started making in Liposomal form (ALCAR is particularly good, especially for immediate energy boost, and in the long term for mitochondrial health), I dissolve the powder in the full 1.5 cup of distilled water before adding to it lecithin and blending. That way the payload gets fully into all the liposomes from start, not just the fraction that is broken up and reformed during the sonification process.

The only time I ever had separation issues was when I let the mixture sit in the sonicator for a period of time after it was done doing its thing.

I discovered that the bottom of the sonicator gets very warm and was pretty sure it was the heat that was causing the later separation.

Since then I always pour the mixture out of the sonicator immediately and put in the refrigerator. I have not had a single separation issues since doing it this way.

However, I do run the unit 3 x 20 min right in a row. I don't wait in between cycles.

Also, after heating the Lecithin and adding the Vit-c I pop it into the freezer for 5 minutes only for a quick cool down before putting it into the sonicator.

I truly believe that if the mixture gets too warm in the sonicator it will cause it to separate. IMHO.

I still can't figure out how you are getting a thick mixture. Maybe mixing too long? I only mix mine with the hand blender for about 2 minutes. How long are you mixing yours?

reply to post by RedCairo


Thank you to you Red Cairo and Julie Washington I think I have made a good mix!

I re-read all the points about heating etc. Red Cairo your point about the original way was very helpful. What I was doing is raising the temp and then still giving it a good few mins with a high powered stick blender. This was making the mix very gelatinous and thick.

What i did today, following pointers from you and Julie was to warm the water/lecithin to 110f then put this in the table top blender on a medium speed for ten seconds. I then poured in the AA/water mix and turned the blender down to low for about 30 seconds. I didn't get the usual frothy/gelatinous, just a bit of froth on top.

Normally I would put it straight into the sonicator but today I put it in the fridge until is was cool. I gave it eight mins and then poured it back into the glass jar and put it in the fridge until it was cool again. I gave it 3 x 8 mins with a good cool down in the fridge between each sonication.

What I have ended up with is a mixture that is very slightly thicker than milk with a teeny bit of froth. Its been in the fridge for a good number of hours and there isn't even a hint of separation. So I think I owe you both a huge thank you for helping me sort it out and get a good mix. I can't wait to get testing it.

Oh and I did get a bit carried away and this morning went off to my local electrical store and bought the larger sonicator. Its a two and half litre and I made a double batch. I can't belive the difference. My little cleaner was a toy compared to this. The mix fair jumps around!

reply to post by Lavendergal


Good job!!!

Just a quick question.......
Sunflower or Soy ?

lambros56
Just a quick question.......
Sunflower or Soy ?

I use Soy, the non GM stuff.

I see you too are in England. I've never had success with the Holland and Barratt lecithin. It is much harder granules than the one I get from my local health food shop, quite chewy in fact instead of melting away. Could be a faulty tin I suppose, but if this had been the first lecithin I had tried I would be alarmed at the total separation!