There Are LOADS Of Jobs Out There, But People Don't Want To Work!

Originally posted by Obl1vion

Originally posted by charlyv

Originally posted by Obl1vion
people just lack the innovation... Period in America....


I see it all. around me...

Americans think they are entitled...


To eat and get fat... And be taken care of all their lives...

If work required labor, or something that makes them get up early its over...

This was the case even during the great BOOMing economy...!!!!!!!!!!!

There are so many followers in America its funny...

That is 100% BS , America is not lazy. Most of us are bewildered by what corporate America has done to our job structure. You could be a plumber, electrician, office assistant, welder, professional engineer, aircraft mechaneic, metal worker, biologist, nuclear scientist....the list goes on, but the foundation that creates and nurtures a productive, dedicated and loyal worker has completely evaporated over the last 20 years.

Corporate America has sacrificed us for the almighty buck, and has found that outsourcing our jobs overseas as well as importing goods cheaper than we can manufacture them ( with the help of the US Government that will not adjust the value as a tariff on those imports) have left us out to dry. This single set of facts are the problems with the US economy today and has left most of our loyal workforce dumbfounded.

There are jobs out there, but they have been 'adjusted' to give the worker hardly any benefits, opportunity for advancement given proven proficiency, and job security. The unions today now lowball anyone coming on board to the point that there is not enough self-esteem left in a productive workforce that is really proud of what they produce, and that, good people, was the foundation that made this country one of the most productive and envied nation on this planet in the 50's thru 70's

Wall street, the FED, The Fortune 500 and the last 3 presidencies have sold out America to the point where we stand today. Want to change it?

seriously stop making excuses....

Excuses my ass, and how old are you anyway?
You look at what this country has produced, and what it still produces and there is nothing in this world that has or will ever touch it.

I , as well as enumerable people helped build this country and it's technology and now, looking at the way that corporate America and this government has taken this and shoved it up our ass, if you were alive when it was going on, you would have a much different opinion. If you live here, you should be pissed off as well, not trying to generalize what is going on today without some experience to allow you to even make a statement like you did.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Collective bargaining demands, as part of the bargain, that individuals cannot negotiate their own contract on their own terms. What do labor unions have against individual bargaining?

Most likely they find that it is ineffective and counterproductive, overall... no mystery there... Individual bargaining pits one worker against his neighbor and is contrary to the cooperation implied in the union movement.

"There Are LOADS Of Jobs Out There, But People Don't Want To Work!"

Are you a lawyer? government official? ruthless? You sound like them!

Can ya hear it?

Soon... the playing field will be level, I've got nothing to lose.

Reboot OP

reply to post by itsthetooth


That's classic Karl Rove RNC tactics 101 "Blame the victim." Blame the economic victims you helped to create.

You have to admit that's pure genus. Pure psychopathic genius, but genus nonetheless.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


I've always admired your ability to add subterfuge to topics you genuinely seem to want to get the bottom of. It's self defeating.

The employee always looks at the risk of entrepreneurship and asks; "where's the money in this?" This is the nature of the employee, whether he is flipping burgers for a fast food joint or is a principle software engineer for a Fortune 500 company. This is just one characteristic that separates them from the producers.

Compared to your most recent comment,

You're the one who is desperately bringing "workers and owners" into this.

Whether you can see it or not, I like you JPZ. Look up the name Jim Simons. He was every bit the entrepreneur that Jobs and Woz were. He didn't risk the barn and he's one of the richest men in America. Most of the people I know who fit in our pay-scale aren't so silly as "to go all in" when we're already doing better than 99.9999...% of the population. It's only the poor schmuck who doubles down because he's got next to nothing to lose.

It's not just starting your own business, but finding small business owners who do construction etc who want people to do upkeep on their vehicles and equipment!
If you can do everyday oil changes and plugs, wires etc you can find plenty to do for others cheaper than what they would pay at "Jiffy Lube" where you might have some idiot who can't read the right oil filter to install on a car!
Even people looking for those who can do basic computer things, like installing programs and using apps to get rid of e-mail spyware etc.
Always something to do or ways to make money that aren't reg full time jobs.

Plumbers can make 80,000 a year in my state and the cost of living is one of the lowest in the nation, It's true, no one wants to work. They are chained to their smart phone, living in cyber land. Hell people can't even talk to each other anymore much less work..

reply to post by charlyv





Entitlement....


Idiot...

As I said stop making excuses....


If you do not like America... Try asking Putin, to let you in Russia...

I am sick of hearing the whining b1tches... crying and making excuses.... TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



in America...

You really must think I am stupid...

reply to post by The Sword

After all, I am not a Rothschild slave.

Are you?

This isn't a knock on you by the way. Just a general question.

Yes I am. So are you, whether you like it or not. But, in return for my labors, I get a paycheck, and my paycheck buys me a nice home, a jeep, a harley, drum lessons and karate lessons for my sons, gas, food, and building materials so I can have my garden, and my chickens, and my deck, and my pool, and my pond, and my fish feeder.

I also pay my taxes begrudgingly, even though I know my liberties are eroding, and even though I know the TSA is not making me safer, but I do like being able to call the fire department, and they did save my dad a few years ago when he was having a heart attack.

I also pay my health insurance, even though I know it is a scam, and I know the industry is totally screwed, and I know it shouldn't be necessary, but I did have a $1M recovery from an explosion I was in, and I did have a million dollar premature baby born about 5 years ago. As screwed up as it is, it still works.

Not knocking you either, just stating some observations from my perspective. Things are pretty screwed up, but things are pretty awesome at the same time.

reply to post by captaintyinknots

As for starting a business, not many who are unemployed have the capital to do so
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In my state (can you guess which one)? starting a small business is almost fruitless as we have the heaviest taxation in the nation. Insurance ain't far behind either. In our grand state we are losing many large businesses due to sky-high taxes and strict regulations...many new ones designed by the lovely lawyers to make an extra buck on our dime! By the way, not everyone is an entrepreneur, so I would throw that idea out the window!

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reply to post by getreadyalready


Glad to hear you have been so fortunate. Not all of us have had that luck. Some of us were born and raised without health and dental insurance. I have sunk 6 grand into my mouth so far, and still have a long way to go.

reply to post by ZeroSumWinner


There is not much to admire about a person who claims they admire another persons self defeating "ability". Such dis-ingenuousness only makes clear that the words used cannot be trusted.

Hedge fund managers are nothing at all like Wozniak and Jobs. I have no issues with sharp investors, but to compare Simons to Wozniak and Jobs is stretching it.

Here's the deal, my friend, I don't have a problem admitting when I am wrong, but I only do so once I am convinced I am wrong. If you want me to admit to being wrong about employee attitudes versus producers then you are going to have to a better job at making a solid argument to convince me of this.

Relying on logical fallacies and pretending I am arguing that people must "go all in" in order to be producers is not one of those solid argument. Risking the barn is not "going all in". People who have barns, have far more than that.

Originally posted by Obl1vion
reply to post by charlyv

 

Entitlement....


Idiot...

As I said stop making excuses....


If you do not like America... Try asking Putin, to let you in Russia...

I am sick of hearing the whining b1tches... crying and making excuses.... TO WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



in America...

You really must think I am stupid...

You want to call me and idiot? that is really funny considering what you have put in content. You have no reason or validity to add to this , other than you disagree with what most people in this post have been saying as well.

For the comments you make, Yes, I think you are more than stupid. But , You have no idea what is going on in this country, and that makes you oblivious as well.

Come up with something that has some meat to substantiate why you make the statements that you do, and give yourself a position you can defend.

Congrats you listed three marketa where you feel it would convenience you if more people went into. Thats hardly a defense of this economy. I didnt go to college for 7 years to be a landscaper and plumbing isnt going to get me out of debt.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
reply to post by Infi8nity

 

The topic is not there's no jobs
It's not a lazy thread

This is thread is there ARE jobs!

If there are jobs how come i found one yet? yet i have experience in web designing, it seems boss arent interested in my level

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Those who risk going all in (the barn) are the ones who should benefit the most.

This is the inherent beauty of capitalism.

reply to post by Goldcurrent


All of us, no matter who we are or what we do, take risks. The successful are the ones who could reasonably predict an outcome when taking a risk. The producers are the ones who have become quite familiar with losses, understanding that losing only means they tried and failed. All champions have tried and failed. They do not dwell on the failures, but will always remember that championship season.

reply to post by Obl1vion


Blah blah blah.

Keep on living the illusion.

Soon or later, that bubble's gonna pop and you'll be right back at where you started.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Success is non-partisan.

A point that 99% of posters miss completely.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Goldcurrent

 

All of us, no matter who we are or what we do, take risks. The successful are the ones who could reasonably predict an outcome when taking a risk.

That would be the case in a rational, predictable world, such as that inhabited by naive economists, but here in the real world, success is often not the result of some predictive power, but rather owes to accident of birth, circumstance, or otherwise.

Nassim Taleb's work makes this quite clear. I suggest you read "fooled by randomness" or "the black swan" to understand better.