Germany - A Koran in Every Household

I really don't know what to make of this. I'd really like to see some of these guys giving out free korans in eastern rather than western Europe. I don't imagine they will be as 'soft' as us in the west.

The problem I have is mostly that these guys are 'radical' not in that I think they're all terrorists, but their ultimate motive of trying to make the world Islamic disturbs me greatly.

I won't read it. And I won't accept it if they want to give it to me. Same goes for the bible and every other religious book you can think of.

Great, now there will be two books that I will never open in every hotel room I visit.

Unrelated but funny story.

I was at a Sci Fi convention in Minneapolis a few years ago and a friend of mine took the Gideons' Bible out of our hotel room and had the guy that dresses up like Jesus sign it.

Good times.

reply to post by nenothtu


Google Translate is your friend.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Kemal
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

Lawl.

نعم، لقد قرأت القرآن حقيقي، في اللغة العربية. وقد طبع من الألغام في باكستان. وأنا أملك ثلاثة، وكان مسلم

Any questions?

edit on 2012/4/18 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)

I find this page quite usefull I have also cross referenced it with my admitedly english translation hard copy

Skeptic's Annotated Quran

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Yours too. Did you read it?

Originally posted by darthdamo74

I find this page quite usefull I have also cross referenced it with my admitedly english translation hard copy

My copy from Pakistan is in both English and Arabic, because to a purist NO translation is a "genuine" Qur'an. In order to be considered genuine, it must be in Arabic.

Islam will win.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by ollncasino

 

I suspect your correct.
Just as The Saudi's are behind the vast majority of extremist Mosques in the UK.

What concerns me more than them wasting a fortune on printing and delivering an unreadable and immensely boring book to people who really have no interest whatsoever in it or it's message is that the people who run our country must be aware of who is behind this rise in extremism and by their inaction seem complicit in it.

Now why would that be?

I think it's because they are stymied. Political espionage has mechanisms in place to deal with it, but religious espionage does not, because of the freedom of religion available in the west. They are viewing Islam as a solely religious system, rather than the all-inclusive religious-political-economic-social system that it really IS.

When or if they are ever able to shift focus to the political aspects of Islam, particularly the Salafist and Wahabbist versions, they may have a fighting chance to combat it, but until then they will continually get blind-sided and steamrolled.

Like some of the activist brands of Christianity, whenever ANY religion veers off of the straight and narrow religious path and into politics, it should immediately lose it's religious immunity in political matters, and be dealt with politically, on the terms it has set for itself by going political.

ETA: I'm outta this thread, effective right now. I just had a post removed as "off topic" when it absolutely was ON topic. Not my problem if you couldn't read it. Anyone asking questions about a "genuine koran", as was the poster I responded to, should have been able to.

Have fun.

I don't see what the problem is - everyone should read the great works of history, literature and philosophy if they choose.

I own a Qur'an and a Bible and I don't believe in any invisible magic daddy figure from the sky, whether you call him God, Yahweh or Allah - These books are important because of their historical impact, emphasis on historic. The more people that read these works for themselves rather than relying on what the media, preachers or common opinion tell them what's in them the better.

reply to post by VelvetSplash


People all around the world should have the freedom of choice to read or not read anything at all. Moreover, it will help us all understand each other and better understand the collective human consciousness if we engage in comparative learning of different religions and philosophies.

However, the mere distribution of said Qur'ans is not the issue in my opinion.

The issue is who is organizing this campaign, who is financing the hundreds of millions of dollars for the Qur'ans and delivery, and what agenda is being pursued.

Salafists are spear-heading this campaign. On Page 4 of this thread, I gave a basic explanation of the Salafi school of thought and also laid out the connections between this radical ideology of Islam and the Royal House of Saud.

Salafis are among the most radical and extreme fundementalists under Islam. They actually kill people and engage in jihad and terror attacks.

This is the group and ideology set to distribute Qur'ans in Germany. Do you still not see the problem?

Research:
• Qutbism
• Salafi
• Wahhabi


Peace be to you my friend.

reply to post by FlyersFan


the funny thing is if there was an article saying that in the USA some christian groups were doing the same thing there would be a thread bashing them they would not remember the gideons

Any who, well I think they should be allowed to distribute it. I think people should be allowed to make up their own minds instead of blindly following something... even though people end up following something blindly even if they do have a text to read. How many people have a bible and do not read it?? they just take the word of the preacher who can twist it to their means. The roman catholic church did that oh and did they profit.

Making Islam mainstream is the best way to destroy it.. I mean look at what happened to christianity. Soon there will be islamic tele evangilist on tv asking you to make a monetary vow to allah.

I will be the first to start handing them out... then it will be perverted enough where it will stray from everthing it teaches.. and it will just be a joke

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

the funny thing is if there was an article saying that in the USA some christian groups were doing the same thing there would be a thread bashing them

they would not remember the gideons

Any who, well I think they should be allowed to distribute it. I think people should be allowed to make up their own minds instead of blindly following something... even though people end up following something blindly even if they do have a text to read. How many people have a bible and do not read it?? they just take the word of the preacher who can twist it to their means. The roman catholic church did that oh and did they profit.

Making Islam mainstream is the best way to destroy it.. I mean look at what happened to christianity. Soon there will be islamic tele evangilist on tv asking you to make a monetary vow to allah.

I will be the first to start handing them out... then it will be perverted enough where it will stray from everthing it teaches.. and it will just be a joke

I wouldn't count on it. And I hope I'm not around if it ever happens.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Germany - A Koran in Every Household

Islamic radicals in Germany have launched an unprecedented nationwide campaign to distribute 25 million copies of the Koran, translated into the German language, with the goal of placing one Koran into every household in Germany, free of charge.

The mass proselytization campaign -- called Project "Read!" -- is being organized by dozens of Islamic Salafist groups located in cities and towns throughout Germany, as well as in Austria and in Switzerland.

Salafism is a branch of radical Islam, practiced in Saudi Arabia, that seeks to establish an Islamic empire (Caliphate) across the Middle East, North Africa and Europe -- and eventually the entire world. The Caliphate would be governed exclusively by Islamic Sharia law, which would apply both to Muslims and to non-Muslims.

Salafists also believe, among other anti-Western doctrines, that democracy, because it is a man-made form of government, must be destroyed.

Also reported by Atlas Shrugs

- I have no idea if this is actually happening. I can not confirm that it is. I"m bringing this forward to ATS because it's being discussed on the internet. It's not being discussed in the MSM. ATS - ya'll can confirm or debunk ...

- I wouldn't call Muslims giving out free Qu'rans .. 'radicals' ... just because they give out free Qu'rans. There are plenty of Christian groups that give out big numbers of free bibles and that doesn't make them 'radicals' or dangerous.

- Apparently this sub-group of muslims are called Salafists and are out of Saudi Arabia. So I'm not sure why they are in Germany giving out 25 million Qu'rans. Except perhaps because the group has called for a global Islamic Caliphate and this is part of that campaign??

The conspiracy discussion ... it's the same general 'Islam wants a global caliphate' conspiracy and the MSM is being PC and isn't discussing what is happening conspiracy.

Anyways .. it's posted for whoever is interested ...

I'm sure this will go over real well with the recent surge of neo-nazi's and right wing extremists in Germany. Fuel for a new fire?

reply to post by votan

I think they should be allowed to distribute it

Do you realize the group set to distribute these Qur'ans are Salafis? This is the most radical and extreme fundementalist group under Islam.

Now that you know the group passing out these Qur'ans are the same ones that fought alongside Osama bin Laden.... do you still think it's ok?

Peace.

Originally posted by Sahabi
reply to post by votan

 

I think they should be allowed to distribute it

Do you realize the group set to distribute these Qur'ans are Salafis? This is the most radical and extreme fundementalist group under Islam.

Now that you know the group passing out these Qur'ans are the same ones that fought alongside Osama bin Laden.... do you still think it's ok?

Peace.

Yup.

They are spending their money on books, not terrorism.

Perhaps they are learning a better way, no?

reply to post by FlyersFan


Dont really have a problem with this,
If you are gonna be vocal about Islam,
At least you should own a copy of Al Quran,
unless of course you have a history channel education,
In which case you are top of the class,

PEACE,
RK

reply to post by FlyersFan


Many mosques in the west are Salafist; these guys aren't all that radical. Salafists and Wahabis will actually bide their time with the "house of war" (anything not Islam) and are content at the moment to milk money out of the west and oppress their own people. The people to worry about are Twelver Shi'as and any Sunni who says that the Wahabis have betrayed Islam by not reinstating the Khalifah. Those guys are less predictable and more likely to blow you up. Salafis and Wahabis in the west don't rock the boat, but they're getting ready to.

Actually you might consider the "Read!" campaign as a compassionate act. It shows that they'd like to keep the bloodshed to a minimum when they do take over.

There are many different English translations of the koran, some more accurate than others.