Christianity, is it child emotional abuse?

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by gabby2011

 

Look at the bright side wildtimes..

While I understand your point, gabby, there is NO bright side to this treatment of those kids. NONE.
Of course, there is NO bright side to teaching them to be thieves or hookers or drug-dealers or warmongers.

I think you are being far too judgemental...so..

like I said before ..your opinions are only opinions.. you are not God ..and you do not have authority to judge the hearts of these people ...and in my eyes they are doing better than the parents who teach their children to be thieves, hookers..etc.

reply to post by vogon42


On September 11th I was in Middle School, I was also a fundamentalist Christian. The principal announced to us that "something" had happened that "might" affect the entire East Coast. I thought it was the Rapture at first, I had been left behind, and was going to most likely end up in Hell (not to mention having to live through the tribulation). I was terrified of being "left behind" for most of my teenage years and even after I lost my Christianity it took a while for that fear to wear off.

So yeah, Christianity CAN be psychological abuse of a sort.

Luckily I was not forced to go to Church after I turned seventeen, which left me plenty of time to actually read the Bible and realize how wrong it was.

Originally posted by gabby2011

.and you do not have authority to judge the hearts of these people ...and in my eyes they are doing better than the parents who teach their children to be thieves, hookers..etc.

edit on 23-12-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)

So why is it you are judging them?
Besides, your logic above is like saying a crap sandwich tastes better than a poop burger.

Chile abuse is ABUSE, I don't care if its done in the name of religion....its still WRONG.

reply to post by vogon42

So why is it you are judging them? Besides, your logic above is like saying a crap sandwich tastes better than a poop burger. Chile abuse is ABUSE, I don't care if its done in the name of religion....its still WRONG.

What I'm saying is that my judgements or anyones judgements don't matter in the end..I'm not the judge ..God is.

Originally posted by gabby2011

......your opinions are only opinions.. you are not God ..and you do not have authority to judge the hearts of these people ...and in my eyes they are doing better than the parents who teach their children to be thieves, hookers..etc.

edit on 23-12-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)

So do you think it is OK for these crazy people to beat their children as long as they have a bible in their hand?

reply to post by gabby2011


gabby, I have a right to my opinions, just like you said. In my opinion, those children are being HARMED. One does not need to be God to know what is right and what is wrong.

It is WRONG to harm people, and those children are collapsing in hysterical fear and are being HARMED emotionally.

How can you defend that?

reply to post by Titen-Sxull

So yeah, Christianity CAN be psychological abuse of a sort.

Thanks for chiming in, Titen. I'm glad that you had the strength to think out of the box, critically, and gather your wits, rather than blindly accepting the 12th or 15th or 40th "edition" of a collection of essays written by people OTHER than Christ.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by gabby2011

 

gabby, I have a right to my opinions, just like you said. In my opinion, those children are being HARMED. One does not need to be God to know what is right and what is wrong.

It is WRONG to harm people, and those children are collapsing in hysterical fear and are being HARMED emotionally.

How can you defend that?

Just because someone claims that what they are doing is Christian does not mean they are correct. I promise that my child is being raised a Christian and has suffered no abuse.

Someday I hope for the world to meet me and my daughter as I believe she is a gift. Her understanding of scripture at age six surpasses most pastors that I have listened too. Often times she shares with me things that she knows that I have not taught her. She is one of the most loving humans I have ever met. She cries each time she does anything that hurts another person’s feelings. I did not teach her this, I simply instructed her to listen to whatever was guiding her towards love. And I taught her that love was a gift from her father in heaven and he was pleased when she followed it.

Originally posted by wildtimes

Holy MOLY!!! Look at THIS! And tell me it's not abusive control....

It really shocks me that people can act this SICK and call it religion.
I tried.....but I cant even watch the entire video, these people are too sick.

If I ever catch anyone treating my child that way...I will arrange their meeting with (what ever name they call their god).

reply to post by vogon42


It is not time for the world to know what or why the gift of tounges is. But I promise someday the truth of this gift will be revealed to all. For love of all my brothers I cannot elaborate at this time.

All I can say is this is not what I teach my child.

reply to post by sacgamer25


That is AWESOME!! Thanks for sharing that. Perhaps she is the missing "female" prophet or messiah or whatever!

How exciting for you. I'd love to meet her, too. And I'm glad to hear you are nurturing her faith without making her fall onto the floor in tears and then dressing her up in camo paint with nunchuks and saying she needs to shout "This is war!!!"

Kudos, and happy holiday to you.
--wt

reply to post by wildtimes


I do not know what she is but if her love stays strong she will at minimum be an example to others especially other women. For all I know she could just be a gift to me.

reply to post by vogon42


I will not comment any further on this video. But I will say that God tells us that all authority has been appointed by his will and that we are to abide by that authority. Now I will not say that I fully understand this command but I do understand that this is not what is being taught in this video.

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

......your opinions are only opinions.. you are not God ..and you do not have authority to judge the hearts of these people ...and in my eyes they are doing better than the parents who teach their children to be thieves, hookers..etc.

edit on 23-12-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)

So do you think it is OK for these crazy people to beat their children as long as they have a bible in their hand?

Do you think its ok to exaggerate things to such an extent as to accuse these people of beating their children..?

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by gabby2011

 

gabby, I have a right to my opinions, just like you said. In my opinion, those children are being HARMED. One does not need to be God to know what is right and what is wrong.

It is WRONG to harm people, and those children are collapsing in hysterical fear and are being HARMED emotionally.

How can you defend that?

I'm not defending it.. just not 'attacking" as you are.

reply to post by gabby2011


gabby, if everyone just sits around saying "who am I to judge?" then these atrocities will continue unchecked! I am not attacking the PEOPLE, I am saying that their treatment of these CHILDREN is wrong.

I am not judging "people", either, but I do have the dignity and morality to decide that, from my point of view, the ACTIONS of others are right or they are wrong.

I have repeatedly assured you that I have NO PROBLEM with people who practice Christianity in the name of peace. None at all. It is the zealous, angry, warmongering people of ANY faith with whom I have a problem. Did you watch the video? Did you see that woman chanting "This is war!!!"?

If you, after all of these conversations between us, STILL do not get where I am coming from....the pov of peace, understanding, tolerance, and kindness, then I have to deduce that you're either incapable of understanding the sequence of self-disclosure that I have provided, of or deliberately twisting my words. Again.

I don't care what your faith is, as long as you stand up against what is WRONG, and uphold what is RIGHT. Sitting by and saying "I'm not their judge" is paramount to blinders, looking away from mundane, earthly evil-doing in the name of Jesus. If you think sitting by and refusing to stand up to those who are bullying, traumatizing, or abusing the self-esteem of youngsters, then that is your choice. I can't sit by and say nothing.

Peace to you.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by gabby2011

 

gabby, if everyone just sits around saying "who am I to judge?" then these atrocities will continue unchecked! I am not attacking the PEOPLE, I am saying that their treatment of these CHILDREN is wrong.

I am not judging "people", either, but I do have the dignity and morality to decide that, from my point of view, the ACTIONS of others are right or they are wrong.

I have repeatedly assured you that I have NO PROBLEM with people who practice Christianity in the name of peace. None at all. It is the zealous, angry, warmongering people of ANY faith with whom I have a problem. Did you watch the video? Did you see that woman chanting "This is war!!!"?

If you, after all of these conversations between us, STILL do not get where I am coming from....the pov of peace, understanding, tolerance, and kindness, then I have to deduce that you're either incapable of understanding the sequence of self-disclosure that I have provided, of or deliberately twisting my words. Again.

I don't care what your faith is, as long as you stand up against what is WRONG, and uphold what is RIGHT. Sitting by and saying "I'm not their judge" is paramount to blinders, looking away from mundane, earthly evil-doing in the name of Jesus. If you think sitting by and refusing to stand up to those who are bullying, traumatizing, or abusing the self-esteem of youngsters, then that is your choice. I can't sit by and say nothing.

Peace to you.

edit on 23-12-2011 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

edit on 23-12-2011 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

Actually if one is a Christian than it is appropriate for one to rebuke a brother. I for one think that some of the stuff in this video goes against how Christ taught us to live. Since I am a Christian it is imperative for me to communicate when I see something that appears to not be coming from the Holy Spirit. I pray that these children grow up to understand the true message of Christ.

For the unbeliever I must say that although I disagree with them I do so out of love and withhold judgment. (To withhold judgment means I do not weigh whether their actions are considered sinful or not) I simply disagree.

reply to post by wildtimes

I have repeatedly assured you that I have NO PROBLEM with people who practice Christianity in the name of peace. None at all. It is the zealous, angry, warmongering people of ANY faith with whom I have a problem. Did you watch the video? Did you see that woman chanting "This is war!!!"?

I understand wildtimes..and I don't think its right as well.. but honestly I've seen children worked up worse over beeber fever.

She is talking about spiritual warfare.. not about getting guns out and shooting people.

So ..what is your solution to this?.. round up all those children and take them away from their parents?

put them in foster care..? where many just do it for money..and they end up getting abused?

What about all the people who get worked up in a fever against Christianity?

There are extremists in many sects of life.. do we round up all those children as well..?

If they are beating their children because they don't go to Jesus camp..that is a different story..but honestly..i have seen children way more emotional and worked up over stupid celebrities.

Originally posted by vogon42
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

I tried, but could only make it through 5 min 39 sec of this video.

Not interesting, its just simply about a survey
OF catholics, BY catholics

and tell your preacher that love is NOT defined by your church, also love can exist without your church.

edit on 22-12-2011 by vogon42 because: (no reason given)

Church is not the producer of love. God has this distinction. All things express truth. Truth is the reason for the existence of all created things. The mind cannot conceive of things apart form existence. What the human mind reasons about is a glimmer off the edge of some truth.

If we knock, the door is opened. Church is the place of the eternally opened door. God is what we find when we knock. From outside or inside the doors of the church, the full significance of any truth can only be understood when seen in its correct perspective and proper relationship with all other aspects. Only God achieves this. Reception of this perspective is dependent on the clearness of perception. Perception is modified by pre-conceived prejudice already in the mind. What are the objects or motives for which truth is sought?

Here is how I see it clearly: LINK

Originally posted by gabby2011

Originally posted by vogon42

Originally posted by gabby2011

......your opinions are only opinions.. you are not God ..and you do not have authority to judge the hearts of these people ...and in my eyes they are doing better than the parents who teach their children to be thieves, hookers..etc.

edit on 23-12-2011 by gabby2011 because: (no reason given)

So do you think it is OK for these crazy people to beat their children as long as they have a bible in their hand?

Do you think its ok to exaggerate things to such an extent as to accuse these people of beating their children..?

OK, let me rephrase...
So do you think it is OK for these crazy people to ABUSE their children as long as they have a bible in their hand?