Was The Titanic Destroyed By A German Submarine?

Originally posted by SonoftheSun

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by xuenchen
Here we have two videos.

The Jesuits did it.

[SNIP]


[SNIP]

I can bring similar proof that my cat did it. Ludicrous.

AngryCymraeg,

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that the Jesuits are indeed behind the sinking of the Titanic. There are numerous article stating this within this very thread. Why dismiss it ?

I can bring similar proof that my cat did it.

Really?

I await your proof with baited breath.

Ok. His name is Sebastian. Sebastian is also the name of a saint. This makes my cat a Christian. Probably a Catholic as well, so what's to say that he isn't a Jesuit as well and.... oh my GOD! HE SANK THE TITANIC! DAMN HIS POINTY WHISKERS!

On a more serious note I have so far seen nothing at all that can make me believe that either the German navy sent a U-boat that hadn't been launched let alone commissioned to sink the Titanic, or that the Jesuits did it. I see a lot of conjecture but NO hard proof. However, I do see lots and lots of evidence that a large pointy lump of ice did it, assisted by a large amount of complacency and arrogance on the part of the shipping lines.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

......?????? What does this have to do with the subject in hand?

It was a precursor to ww1.

and a precursor to Israeli Statehood.

very complicated.

The Roths are in the history books on this.

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careful,

Your degree is showing !

Would that be an "Nth" degree ?

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

Rumors of war were in the air all across Europe in 1910,1911,1912 and beyond and Germany,soon after the Titanic went down,was at war with the very same countries that designed,built and sailed that ship...

During World War I,1914-1918,Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland,which entered the war in August 1914 as one of the Entente Powers,along with France and Russia,when it declared war to halt the military expansion of the Central Powers,consisting of the German Empire,the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the Kingdom of Bulgaria...

So after the above facts are known,properly realized and understood within their correct time frame,Germany, sinking the Titanic,doesnt seem like such a far fetched idea after all...

Especially when knowing that the passenger liner Lusitania,which entered service in 1907 and had a length of 787 feet,was sunk by a single torpedo launched from a German U-boat on May 7th 1915 with a loss of 1,198 lives...

Then everything starts to make a lot more sense,the German motives for attacking the Titanic are war motivations and the sinking was a terrorist attack against a civilian target,aimed at the passenger liner Titanic to provoke a war mentality amongst Germanys soon to be enemies and that ship was sent to its watery grave on April-14th 1912,with a loss of 1,503 lives,by a German Submarine launched torpedo...IMO

Opening psychological doorways and windows,subliminal portals that led to the all but forgotten hell of World War One,resulting in the annihilation of 25,000,000 people and many millions more missing,crippled,blinded, maimed and shell shocked...

Germany had no problem attacking Belgium and France during both World Wars...

Germany had no problem attacking Russia during both World Wars killing around 25,000,000 Russians during World War Two...

Germany had no problem crushing Poland During World War Two...

Germany had no problem burning and hanging and gassing and shooting execution style millions of men,millions of women and millions of children during World War Two...

Germany had no problem tearing their own country apart during the hellish and all but forgotten Thirty Years War that killed around 10,000,000 people between 1614 and 1618...

Germany had no problem annihilating around 100,000 people,probably many more,mostly women,who were demonized,accused as being witches,hunted,captured,tortured,hanged and burned alive at the stake...

I could go on and on and on...

So ultimately...Why would Germany sink the Titanic?...They felt like it...

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All very interesting and it shows that your history teacher left a lot out (the Central Powers did not exist until the war broke out and Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire only joined at the last minute. The war was about Serbia). Go and read a book. However, one simple point - if Germany wanted to make a point and stir up fear of war by sinking the Titanic then it failed. Failed absolutely, as the iceberg was instead blamed for the sinking.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by xuenchen

 

This ship was allowed to set sail with only 20 lifeboats.If i was about to go onboard the titanic and i knew that sad fact,or someone told me that,or i had counted that many myself,i would have never set foot on the ship.A lot of the people that did get on board,must have been mesmerized by the ships supposed indestructibility,or unsinkability.Just blindly believed what the big shots and newpaper tycoons told them like good little sheeple being led to their slaughter ...Hmmmm?

I have two simple questions.

How much do you actually know about Trans Atlantic Liners of the time? Do you know that what they carried as a compliment of lifeboats was well within parameters set up by the shipping industry at the time?

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

careful,

Your degree is showing !

Would that be an "Nth" degree ?

Thank you. I take great pride in looking at things as dispassionately as possible. I also take great pride in pointing out things at are historically implausible, especially when there is no evidence for it whatsoever.

reply to post by xuenchen
The Influenza Pandemic,perhaps spread by birds,bird flu? during and for a couple of years after WW-1 killed about double the amount of total dead from that war...25 million compared to around 50 million,give or take a few million either way...But there were many millions more that were missing,crippled,maimed,blinded and shell shocked from that war...

reply to post by GAOTU789


I thought there was some blame cast at the time that the Titanic's lifeboat deficiency was an "economic" decision.

I don't know, but does anybody actually know the lifeboat standards of those times ?

I always wondered why they would not take the passenger capacity and divide that by the lifeboat capacities?

reply to post by AngryCymraeg
Whos to say whos with who? which country is really on which side of any conflict,behind the scenes they are all in it together,the royal bloodline elites.During the war of 1812,in august 1814,the British burned large sections of the city of Washington DC to the ground,including the White House and the US Capitol!!...My...How things change...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by xuenchen

 

The Influenza Pandemic,perhaps spread by birds,bird flu? during and for a couple of years after WW-1 killed about double the amount of total dead from that war...25 million compared to around 50 million,give or take a few million either way...But there were many millions more that were missing,crippled,maimed,blinded and shell shocked from that war...

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oh yah, all that and typhus was a big problem until they found the strong antibiotic cures.

During World War I typhus caused three million deaths in Russia and more in Poland and Romania.[citation needed] De-lousing stations were established for troops on the Western front but the disease ravaged the armies of the Eastern front, with over 150,000 dying in Serbia alone. Fatalities were generally between 10 to 40 percent of those infected, and the disease was a major cause of death for those nursing the sick. Between 1918 and 1922 typhus caused at least 3 million deaths out of 20–30 million cases. In Russia after World War I, during the civil war between the White and Red armies, typhus killed three million, largely civilians.

During World War II many German POWs after the loss at Stalingrad died of typhus. Typhus epidemics killed those confined to POW camps, ghettos and inmates in the Nazi Germany concentration camps who were held in unhygienic conditions. Pictures of typhus victims' mass graves can be seen in footage shot at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.[9] Among thousands of prisoners in concentration camps such as Theresienstadt and Bergen-Belsen who died of typhus [9] were Anne Frank at the age of 15 and her sister Margot. Even larger epidemics in the post-war chaos of Europe were only averted by the widespread use of the newly discovered DDT to kill the lice on millions of refugees and displaced persons.

Typhus

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


Many times "evidence" and "witness accounts" and statements are written, rewritten and even edited to fit agendas.

Witness accounts may have been "written"/"interpreted" by writers and editors.

Yes, even "history" gets a bit tainted sometimes.

Writers write history, that's what they do.

Editors edit, that's what they do.

Victors re-write history, or that's what they have writers and scholars do for them.

Especially if the Titanic (or anything else) was under Jesuit control.


Are there any authentic, genuine certified handwritten witness statements from the Titanic survivors?
(signatures and notary seals included)

Perhaps some references would help.

reply to post by xuenchen


www.writing.eng.vt.edu...

With outdated British Board of Trade regulations, the Titanic's twenty lifeboats actually exceeded requirements by 10 percent capacity [Refrigerator, 1998]. The new safety regulations increased the required number of lifeboats to a number that would accommodate all passengers and crew aboard the ship. Based on the length of the ship, a given number of davits, which are the mechanism used to raise and lower the lifeboats, are mounted along the perimeter of the lower deck. Figure 4 shows the davits and lifeboats on the deck of the Titanic. If the minimum lifeboat capacity is not met, additional lifeboats must be stowed under other boats. Regulations also specify that each of the lifeboats must carry oars, sails, a compass, signalling devices, food, and water. In addition, for large ships, two of the boats need to be motor boats [Manning, 1956].

www.encyclopedia-titanica.org...

The sinking of the Titanic was also instrumental in changing the existing regulations for lifeboats on passenger liners. The Titanic was fully compliant with the lifeboat regulations of the day, yet carried only sixteen of them, enough to hold 1,178 passengers—and the Titanic was booked with 2,207 passengers and crew19. However, due to the reluctance of many passengers to leave the ship, believing that it was unsinkable, nearly all the lifeboats were lowered away without their full complement of passengers. In the end, only 705 were saved.

Read all of that second link, it's very informative on what the sinking did for regulations on Trans Atlantic Liners.

While finding the exact regulations isn't an easy task, there are mentions of them in a lot of the literature about the sinking. Titanic actually had more than the minimum lifeboats needed onboard at the time of her sailing. One of the reasons for the larger loss of life is although the lifeboats could have held just about 1200 people, many of the boats were launched with less than half there capacity.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


Hello again AngryCymraeg,

Sebastien is a good name !!

I am also glad to hear that you have a degree in History ! History was also my favorite venue and where I had my top marks. But in the grand scheme of things...it's all it is...nice. I speak for myself here and please do not take this personally. You see, over the years, I found out that the Official History is filled with innuendos, misinformation and bias. But that's just me.

As far as this thread is concerned - and to get back on topic - I wouldn't say that I believe in the torpedo theory. But I do not believe in the Iceberg theory as being just an accident either. Or that there isn't something else that brought this ship down, along with an iceberg. As you say, there is a lot of conjecture, and, there is. The official story is flawed, or, shaky at best. It does sound outlandish, no, outrageous to think that a group - such as the Jesuits - wanted to deliberately sink a civilian ship. But does it sound outlandish or outrageous to think that the same group would be behind 9/11 or the JFK assassination? That the same group is pushing an agenda at the moment that brings us - yet again - on the verge of an unwanted war (for most citizens) within the Middle East?

We are just observers, without a say. Without a choice. We cannot vote against a war. We cannot vote against cover ups. We cannot vote against murder or genocide. We can only read the books that tell us the reasons they give us for such actions. That, is History.

reply to post by GAOTU789


Good info.

I guess OSHA was a little late ...

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by GAOTU789

 

I thought there was some blame cast at the time that the Titanic's lifeboat deficiency was an "economic" decision.

I don't know, but does anybody actually know the lifeboat standards of those times ?

I always wondered why they would not take the passenger capacity and divide that by the lifeboat capacities?

Please see my post above. Plus GAOTU789's. The Titanic ironically had more lifeboat capacity than the Board of Trade regulations stipulated.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


That's fine.

but the Jesuits were not interested in that.

nor was the U17.

I'm going back on topic.

The lifeboat issue is a "sub" topic.


By the way, I can't resist from asking,

did you go to college on a Guggenheim Scholarship ?

I apologise in advance......how ironic if true in this case

Guggenheim

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

That's fine.

but the Jesuits were not interested in that.

nor was the U17.

I'm going back on topic.

The lifeboat issue is a "sub" topic.

By the way, I can't resist from asking,

did you go to college on a Guggenheim Scholarship ?

I apologise in advance......how ironic if true in this case

Guggenheim

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No, I didn't go to college on any kind of scholarship. I got there under my own scheme and I fail to see the relevance of your question.
I notice by the way that all this drivel about the Jesuits - and drivel is the only correct word due to the total lack of evidence that they somehow had anything to do with the sinking, unless they could miraculously conjure up an iceberg in the middle of the Atlantic - is also off topic as this thread is about the equally ludicrous idea that the German navy sank the Titanic in some kind of failed exercise in terror.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

No, I didn't go to college on any kind of scholarship. I got there under my own scheme and I fail to see the relevance of your question.
I notice by the way that all this drivel about the Jesuits - and drivel is the only correct word due to the total lack of evidence that they somehow had anything to do with the sinking, unless they could miraculously conjure up an iceberg in the middle of the Atlantic - is also off topic as this thread is about the equally ludicrous idea that the German navy sank the Titanic in some kind of failed exercise in terror.

relax relax,

I couldn't resist the irony.

I admire your knowlege as a history major and of the mainstream thinking.

But this is a conspiracy forum and the thread is about a possibility that has some merrit.

The deep reasons involving ww1 are all a collection leading up to many events that affect all of us today.

Without controversial comments, we would not be able to arrive at conclusions, even if those conclusions are not in alignment with mainstream generally accepted ideas.

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

relax relax,

I couldn't resist the irony.

I admire your knowlege as a history major and of the mainstream thinking.

But this is a conspiracy forum and the thread is about a possibility that has some merrit.

The deep reasons involving ww1 are all a collection leading up to many events that affect all of us today.

Without controversial comments, we would not be able to arrive at conclusions, even if those conclusions are not in alignment with mainstream generally accepted ideas.

I know that we need controversy. I like controversy. But history is built on facts. We're all human and we all talk. No conspiracy is ever 100% successful because people talk. It's a fact of life. Even if they don't talk then they leave breadcrumbs in the form of documents, odd coincidences, plans, and odd things being noticed. Even if something just seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time it tends to get noticed.
There is nothing about the theory that the Titanic was sunk by a german U-boat that is backed up by a single solitary fact. Not one. The OP has now reached the point where he's trying to claim that a) the Germans launched a special torpedo that didn't explode the way that others do and b) that all talk of the iceberg was spread around by mysterious German agents on the ship. The fact that this last idea negates the entire premise behind his theory - that the Germans were getting ready for the war by spreading fear and terror - seems to have sailed far above his head. He has also failed to address my point about the bridge staff seeing the iceberg - along with the lookouts (obviously) and QM Rowe on the after bridge. Ignoring facts is a classic sign of being so in love with a theory that they ignore reality.

All of this debating yet not one mention of "Whats eating the Titanic"?

Its currently being devoured by a new species that may, (IMHO) have something to do with requiring a catalyst since its new. But hey.....