Was The Titanic Destroyed By A German Submarine?

reply to post by Unity_99
Is this the same aldebaran that the rolling stones mention in the lyrics to their very great and very underrated 1967 song 2,000 light years from home?...Some of which are >

"Bell flight 14 you now can land
See you on Aldebaran
Safe on the green desert sand
It's so very lonely
You're 2000 light years from home"

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

The "icebeg theory" is no more provable either and lets not sail away and forget all about the wealthy industrialists who opposed the implementation of the federal reserve system and who were eliminated when the titanic went down into the abyss,taking away with it forever,1,503 lives...

The 100th anniversary of the titanics sinking is only a few months away...What a time to remove the purposefully installed blinders that were placed in front of our eyes and open our minds enough to try and reveal the Truth about what really happened to this doomed ship and all those innocent people...

edit on 28-12-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

The 'iceberg theory' as you call it still rests on multiple documented sightings of the iceberg as it scraped down the side of the Titanic. Which people saw. Your u-boat theory on the other hand relies on no evidence whatsoever.

Let's look at the u-boat theory, as posited by you, Blocula, so far. It seems to run as follows:

The German government, seeing the Balkans engulfed in flames as everyone beats up the crumbling Ottoman Empire, decides that war is inevitable. It therefore decides to carry out a cowardly and illegal act of terrorism by sinking a civilian ship in the middle of the Atlantic that happens to be carrying lots of British and American people, two nations that it really doesn't want to go to war with. It also contains some German citizens, but what the hell they're probably in steerage so they're peasants and they don't count.
Rather than use something reliable, like a cruiser or a battleship, the German government decide to use a relatively untested weapon of war in the form of a U-boat. They choose the U-17, which is being built. They then decide that the U-17 is to be made a sooper sekrit weapon (despite the fact that the British have already built something very similar) and close it off from the public so that top government shipbuilders can finish it off behind a large curtain. They do a rush job and then do an equally rush job (once it's been secretly launched in the middle of the night, in a rainstorm) of commissioning it. There's a chance that the rush will mean that some outlet valves could under certain circumstances become inlet valves, but what the hell you have to take risks sometimes.
Command of the U-17 for this sooper sekrit mission can't be entrusted to anyone, so they give the vessel to Kaiser Wilhelm II. I can't prove that he was on U-17, but this was a sooper sekrit mission don't forget, so I can't NOT prove it. His Jimmy is crown prince Wilhelm and his chief engineer is Admiral Tirpitz. The rest of the crew is a bunch of sailors who have been told to keep their mouths shut and who later become Trappist monks. The U-boat has a range of 6,700 miles, so that gives it a combat radius of 3,350 miles, but hopefully it can find the Titanic without everyone getting out and paddling the rest of the way home.
The U-17 putters its way west at 8 knots, which is very, very slow compared to the Titanic. It also seems to be equipped with a forcefield as no-one sees it or collides with it in the Straits of Dover, which is one of the busiest shipping areas in the world. However, it gets to the rough location of where the Titanic will pass by, which the Kaiser has been informed about via a carrier pidgeon message sent from a sooper sekrit spy on Titanic who has access to the bridge and the chart room and who also has a sooper sekrit decoder ring. The Kaiser notices that there's a lot of ice in the area, along with a big pointy bit.
On schedule the Titanic hoves into view and the Kaiser takes aim and fires a single torpedo. As he's the Kaiser and is so awesomely amazing the torpedo hits. It too is a sooper sekrit torpedo, having been altered so that when it hits a ninja nibelung leaps out, plants a thin strip of explosive along a non-continous 300-foot section of the hull and then shoots itself. It's disguised by another forcefield that makes it look like a large iceberg.
Titanic sinks slowly, but the Kaiser decides that his work is done and putters back to Germany at 8 knots, pausing along the way to get out and push when the U-17 runs out of fuel.
When he makes it back he's surprised to discover that the entire mission has been a total and utter failure because instead of recoiling in terror at the horrific nastiness of Germany, the world instead thinks that the iceberg did all the damage and that two enquiries have been conducted which came to the same conclusion. The only thing that U-17 has achieved is to have every shipping company in the world to equip their ships with enough lifeboats for passengers and crew.
There is no war and instead Germany has to wait for another 2 years, when a man with a pathetic moustache shoots another man with a far better moustache, creating the conditions for a man with a truly pathetic moustache to start a war in 1939 that led to Germany being utterly ground into the dust.
I think that covers the U-boat theory.

Here we have two videos.

The Jesuits did it.

Originally posted by xuenchen
Here we have two videos.

The Jesuits did it.

I can bring similar proof that my cat did it. Ludicrous.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


Superb!

You very nearly killed me, as I was munching on a gammon baguette at the time!

reply to post by xuenchen
This ship was allowed to set sail with only 20 lifeboats.If i was about to go onboard the titanic and i knew that sad fact,or someone told me that,or i had counted that many myself,i would have never set foot on the ship.A lot of the people that did get on board,must have been mesmerized by the ships supposed indestructibility,or unsinkability.Just blindly believed what the big shots and newpaper tycoons told them like good little sheeple being led to their slaughter ...Hmmmm?

It was designed and allowed to set sail woefully incapable of handling any real emergency and was actually a hyped up death trap would be more like it,more closer to the truth...

They didnt even know then and we still dont know now and at this point we never will know how many people were onboard the titanic...

There are various figures quoted for the number of people onboard the titanic at the time of its sinking.Some sources quote 2,223 people while others cite 2,228. This is due to discrepancies,errors and omissions in the original passenger lists.The official number varies according to the source.It was in the range of 2,200,but a difinitive answer has not been determined and never will.It has often been quoted at 1,250 and even 2,500...What is up with that?!?!

German saboteurs and german secret agents sent onboard to start hyping up the iceberg story right after the torpedo struck in return for large amounts of cash if they were able to survive certainly would have lured a few brave individuals,that imo must be why the total number of people on the ship varies so much and was not and still is not accurately known and now never will...

reply to post by blocula


That's why the sub surfaced.

To rescue agents who may have exited prior to the attack.

And to re-supply from their aid ship after the sinking was underway, The Californian.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by xuenchen
Here we have two videos.

The Jesuits did it.

[SNIP]


[SNIP]

I can bring similar proof that my cat did it. Ludicrous.

AngryCymraeg,

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that the Jesuits are indeed behind the sinking of the Titanic. There are numerous article stating this within this very thread. Why dismiss it ?

I can bring similar proof that my cat did it.

Really?

I await your proof with baited breath.

reply to post by SonoftheSun
The Society of Jesus is a Catholic male religious order that follows the teachings of the Catholic Church. The members are called Jesuits, and are also known colloquially as "God's Marines" and as "The Company" these being references to founder Ignatius of Loyola's military background and members willingness to accept orders anywhere in the world and live in extreme conditions.The Society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations on six continents

In the United States, the 28 Jesuit colleges and universities are located in 19 states across the country.

Jesuit link > en.wikipedia.org...

Jesuits in the world as of january 1st 2007...

South Asia... 4,018
United States of America...2,952
South Europe... 2,448
West Europe... 1,958
East Asia-Oceania... 1,672
South Latin America... 1,513
Africa... 1,430
North Latin America... 1,374
East Europe... 1,119
Central Europe... 732

So there are only around 19,216 Jesuits from out of a world population of around 7,000,000,000 people...A more or less secret society indeed and a cult of power and control and domination...

That's a very possible and good theory OP.

Now, not knowing war history (as I have chosen to do because honestly, I can't accept it therefore I can't compute it) why was Germany pissed off at USA?

Second question would be: Why would a supposed foe care whether if their target was civilian or military? I think I know what the answer is but when I hear it, it sounds like one gigantic Milton Bradley world-war game where there are 'rules' on the box cover.

If someone is mad at you and/or they want something from you, they're not going to care about consequences, right?
So if Germany was mad at us (although Hitler and Bush were allies) then what do they care whether they blew up VIPs on a cruise ship or a sorority house sleep over? Their ultimate message would be delivered, heard and reacted to no matter what, right! I just don't understand the 'rules' I guess.

reply to post by Human_Alien
Rumors of war were in the air all across Europe in 1910,1911,1912 and beyond and Germany,soon after the Titanic went down,was at war with the very same countries that designed,built and sailed that ship...

During World War I,1914-1918,Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland,which entered the war in August 1914 as one of the Entente Powers,along with France and Russia,when it declared war to halt the military expansion of the Central Powers,consisting of the German Empire,the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the Kingdom of Bulgaria...

So after the above facts are known,properly realized and understood within their correct time frame,Germany, sinking the Titanic,doesnt seem like such a far fetched idea after all...

Especially when knowing that the passenger liner Lusitania,which entered service in 1907 and had a length of 787 feet,was sunk by a single torpedo launched from a German U-boat on May 7th 1915 with a loss of 1,198 lives...

Then everything starts to make a lot more sense,the German motives for attacking the Titanic are war motivations and the sinking was a terrorist attack against a civilian target,aimed at the passenger liner Titanic to provoke a war mentality amongst Germanys soon to be enemies and that ship was sent to its watery grave on April-14th 1912,with a loss of 1,503 lives,by a German Submarine launched torpedo...IMO

Opening psychological doorways and windows,subliminal portals that led to the all but forgotten hell of World War One,resulting in the annihilation of 25,000,000 people and many millions more missing,crippled,blinded, maimed and shell shocked...

Germany had no problem attacking Belgium and France during both World Wars...

Germany had no problem attacking Russia during both World Wars killing around 25,000,000 Russians during World War Two...

Germany had no problem crushing Poland During World War Two...

Germany had no problem burning and hanging and gassing and shooting execution style millions of men,millions of women and millions of children during World War Two...

Germany had no problem tearing their own country apart during the hellish and all but forgotten Thirty Years War that killed around 10,000,000 people between 1614 and 1618...

Germany had no problem annihilating around 100,000 people,probably many more,mostly women,who were demonized,accused as being witches,hunted,captured,tortured,hanged and burned alive at the stake...

I could go on and on and on...

So ultimately...Why would Germany sink the Titanic?...They felt like it...

Don't forget either....

pre-ww1 was a staging for establishing Zionist Israel.

ww1 itself was the setup itself and continuing land grabs.

Land titles were being partitioned already, and new nations were being "thought of".

The Rothschilds with the help of Britain and France and the Ottomans were purchasing land in old "Palestine".
(started late 1800's)

And they had already set the targets for the U.S. Federal Reserve.


I think there were more deaths from typhus than combat in ww1.

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by blocula

 

That's why the sub surfaced.

To rescue agents who may have exited prior to the attack.

And to re-supply from their aid ship after the sinking was underway, The Californian.

The Californian was a British ship, owned by a British company, with a British crew. She set off from Liverpool. There has never been any suggestion of any sort that she had anything at all to do with a U-boat and believe me the crew would have talked. Hell, one man, donkeyman Ernest Gill (yes, that's an actual title), talked after the sinkiing that he had seen rockets to the south on the night that the Titanic had sunk. He would surely have noticed a German U-boat next to the ship!
Secondly there is no record of the Californian picking anyone up at all, none of the lifeboats from the Titanic got anywhere near her and the water was so cold that most of the people in the water died in just 20 minutes. When dawn came Californian moved westwards through the icefield (hmmmm, I wonder if there was an iceberg in the region therefore?) and then south. She searched for but found no survivors.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
That's a very possible and good theory OP.

Now, not knowing war history (as I have chosen to do because honestly, I can't accept it therefore I can't compute it) why was Germany pissed off at USA?

Second question would be: Why would a supposed foe care whether if their target was civilian or military? I think I know what the answer is but when I hear it, it sounds like one gigantic Milton Bradley world-war game where there are 'rules' on the box cover.

If someone is mad at you and/or they want something from you, they're not going to care about consequences, right?
So if Germany was mad at us (although Hitler and Bush were allies) then what do they care whether they blew up VIPs on a cruise ship or a sorority house sleep over? Their ultimate message would be delivered, heard and reacted to no matter what, right! I just don't understand the 'rules' I guess.

I have a degree in history and the subject of the Titanic is a favourite of mine. The entire idea is patently silly and flies in the face of every single fact we have about the sinking. There were two investigations into the sinking, one run by the US Senate and the other by the British Board of Trade. They both came to the same conclusion: an iceberg did it.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg


This event was foretold in the Sinking of Titan, and unless demons around to carry things out for them 100%, I suspect they use their subs. Like they 9 11, and 3 11 they set things up very tight indeed, part nature and part technology.

The fictions and movies are there for their own people know whats going to be pulled off. And probably to capture our imagination, so we hold these thoughts in the interactive hologram too.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by xuenchen

 

This ship was allowed to set sail with only 20 lifeboats.If i was about to go onboard the titanic and i knew that sad fact,or someone told me that,or i had counted that many myself,i would have never set foot on the ship.A lot of the people that did get on board,must have been mesmerized by the ships supposed indestructibility,or unsinkability.Just blindly believed what the big shots and newpaper tycoons told them like good little sheeple being led to their slaughter ...Hmmmm?

It was designed and allowed to set sail woefully incapable of handling any real emergency and was actually a hyped up death trap would be more like it,more closer to the truth...

They didnt even know then and we still dont know now and at this point we never will know how many people were onboard the titanic...

There are various figures quoted for the number of people onboard the titanic at the time of its sinking.Some sources quote 2,223 people while others cite 2,228. This is due to discrepancies,errors and omissions in the original passenger lists.The official number varies according to the source.It was in the range of 2,200,but a difinitive answer has not been determined and never will.It has often been quoted at 1,250 and even 2,500...What is up with that?!?!

German saboteurs and german secret agents sent onboard to start hyping up the iceberg story right after the torpedo struck in return for large amounts of cash if they were able to survive certainly would have lured a few brave individuals,that imo must be why the total number of people on the ship varies so much and was not and still is not accurately known and now never will...

edit on 29-12-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Please, please do some basic research on this, as it's becoming very one-sided. The regulations for lifeboat provisions were laid down by bthe British Board of Trade and were about 40 years out of date, mostly because the the North Atlantic route had seen an extraordinary run of luck - the last previous sinking of a major vessel had been in 1872, when the Atlantic struck a rock and sunk. 491 people died.
The BOT regulations were clear - any ship over 10,000 tonnes must carry 16 lifeboats with a capacity of 5,500 cubic feet, which is space for 550 people, plus enough rafts and floats to equal 75% of the capacity of the lifeboats. The irony is that that works out to lifeboat & raft capacity for 962 for the Titanic, and the ship exceeded that.

I fail to see any references anywhere to the ship being a death trap and can only conclude that you have just made that statement up.

I again direct your attention to the bridge crew and the lookouts, who all saw the iceberg. They did not see the explosion from the torpedo but they did see the large object that ground along the side of the ship, inflicting fatal damage. I also direct your attention to my earlier posts which quote people who felt a shudder during the collision. No explosion. Not even a little one.

You now seem to have German agents and saboteurs onboard. Any evidence of this? At all?

Originally posted by xuenchen
Don't forget either....

pre-ww1 was a staging for establishing Zionist Israel.

ww1 itself was the setup itself and continuing land grabs.

Land titles were being partitioned already, and new nations were being "thought of".

The Rothschilds with the help of Britain and France and the Ottomans were purchasing land in old "Palestine".
(started late 1800's)

And they had already set the targets for the U.S. Federal Reserve.


I think there were more deaths from typhus than combat in ww1.

edit on Dec-29-2011 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)

......?????? What does this have to do with the subject in hand?

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

The Californian was a British ship, owned by a British company, with a British crew. She set off from Liverpool. There has never been any suggestion of any sort that she had anything at all to do with a U-boat and believe me the crew would have talked. Hell, one man, donkeyman Ernest Gill (yes, that's an actual title), talked after the sinkiing that he had seen rockets to the south on the night that the Titanic had sunk. He would surely have noticed a German U-boat next to the ship!
Secondly there is no record of the Californian picking anyone up at all, none of the lifeboats from the Titanic got anywhere near her and the water was so cold that most of the people in the water died in just 20 minutes. When dawn came Californian moved westwards through the icefield (hmmmm, I wonder if there was an iceberg in the region therefore?) and then south. She searched for but found no survivors.

Ahh Yes,

that's how powerful the Jesuits are.

Money and hypnotic effects make believers out of anybody.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg

I have a degree in history and the subject of the Titanic is a favourite of mine. The entire idea is patently silly and flies in the face of every single fact we have about the sinking. There were two investigations into the sinking, one run by the US Senate and the other by the British Board of Trade. They both came to the same conclusion: an iceberg did it.

Wheeeeew !

Finally we see the light and have the Revelations.

There IS cheese in the Moon too !

I remember some real credible outfits coming to conclusions about JFK too.