Pregnant Seattle protester miscarries after being kicked, pepper sprayed

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I'm not sure how anyone can blame the police...she claims she was three months pregnant...you usually can't tell someone is pregnant at three months, and she was wearing a very baggy shirt.

She endangered her child by going to a protest, she is a flipping idiot for that...if there is anyone to blame it is her.


And I'm surprised by all these people claiming the police murdered the "baby"....first trimester...I thought I was just a parasite at that point

Oh, how the definitions change when you want to drum up emotional reactions.


This is also questionable.

They diagnosed that I was having a miscarriage. They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to it [the fetus], too,

No doctor that I know of is going to make a claim like that. This happened 5 days after the incident...I really question if any doctor is going to go out on a limb like that and state that it was the direct cause of the kick or the pepper spray...especially 5 days after it all happened.

1. They were informed and went for her anyway.

2. She had a legal to be there and a legal right to not brutalized and singled out when they were told.

3. The doctors can safely make that assumption.

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My question would be why would a pregant woman go to a protest march? Especially when theyve shown the protestors geting beatin and sprayed by the cops. So she knew she had a 50/50 chance of geting into trouble, but she went anyway and was beaten and lost her baby.
What an idiot...now she'll have to live with the thought of who or what her baby could have grown up to be, but will never happen now since she took it to a protest and it died before it was born...

The woman should be slapped..
And the cops should be shot.

And I'll probably be censored again...

WOOT.

Originally posted by RainbeauBleu
reply to post by swoopaloop

 

Those damn cops need to take their badges off and join the rest of the people. This is getting ugly and eventually it will be full on riots and could lead to martial law. And it won't be because of the people, but it'll be because of the puppet obedient police.

The problem is that the police (and military) are brainwashed to believe they are better than the people, which makes them separate from the people.

I think of the police (and military) like trained dogs who carry out their dogma (and might even wear dog tags). We are the sheep. It's a persistent delusion. The police are not sworn to protect the people. They obey orders and protect those who give them orders.

All of these current troubles is giving the police( militarised) practise when martial law is implemented, they are learning their trade .
Americas glorious leader has given himself ultimate powers over your governing bodies, this is directly copying Adolph hitlers manual.
There is a very simple glaringly obvious reason for this.....the nazi's are about to play their card.
They have ever since operation paperclip infiltrated all Americas and Israels corperate structures, they own the military industrial complex, the media .
The sheeple though have been too busy stuffing their big macs down their throats and watching celebrity whatever garbage to notice.

America land of the free......what a joke.

gravitor

Originally posted by yourboycal2
Sad situation yes .

Going to a protest , that you know can turn violent while pregnant is even more sad.

She put her self in harms way , im sure she sees how the protests get out of hand with whacky OWS , instigating police brutality for a photo op to cry police brutality .


I feel bad for the child . But do not feel bad for the women who put the child in a dangerous situation .


"What crime did the child commit to be born " ? In this case it's only crime was to be inside of a careless women. It wasnt even born and its punishment of HER actions were set.

The police should also be punished who ever caused it . Of course no doubt.

1. She was legally protesting. She had ever right to be there.

2. They had no reason to harm anyone there let alone target the pregnant woman announcing she was pregnant.

3. I have every sympathy for her, her unborn child, and everyone else at that protest including the elderly woman pepper sprayed. Sympathy is what turns spirit to soul.

I have a serious question for the people calling for this all being the womans fault for going to a protest....

So, driving is dangerous, lots of people die in those wrecks...

WHY WOULD A PREGNANT WOMAN EVER GET INTO A CAR? IT'S CRAZY AND ALL HER FAULT WHEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT!!!

Your entire argument shown for the lame attempt it is.

Originally posted by Unity_99
1. They were informed and went for her anyway.

So everyone was supposed to instantly stop what they were doing - protesting and crowd control both - because some idiot in the crowd changes her mind at the last minute and says "I'm pregnant and don't want to be here"? Riiiiiight. The world doesn't stop it's motion like that.

2. She had a legal to be there and a legal right to not brutalized and singled out when they were told.

- Legal right to be there. Sure. Also a moral obligation to protect her unborn child from dangerous situations - situations that she did not HAVE to be in. She failed to do so. Her choice - be safe or take a chance. The child died.

- Legal right not to be brutalized. Sure. But at a protest that has a history of violence - ON BOTH SIDES - it's going to happen. She was stupid to put herself in a situation where it could happen. It wasn't that important for her to be there. She didn't HAVE to be there.

- Show that she was 'singled out' and that the cops went after her purposely to kill her child. Good luck with that.

Originally posted by thejlxc

Originally posted by Kali74
Unreal, most of you in this thread are saying whether you realize it or not:
Do not protest the government or the police might hurt you.

Not only are they saying it, trust me, they Think it. There are lots of kinds of cowards.
Some people are so hopelessly dependent on the system... and all that.

Cowards? Please explain

All of these current troubles is giving the police( militarised) practise when martial law is implemented, they are learning their trade . Americas glorious leader has given himself ultimate powers over your governing bodies, this is directly copying Adolph hitlers manual. There is a very simple glaringly obvious reason for this.....the nazi's are about to play their card. They have ever since operation paperclip infiltrated all Americas and Israels corperate structures, they own the military industrial complex, the media . The sheeple though have been too busy stuffing their big macs down their throats and watching celebrity whatever garbage to notice. America land of the free......what a joke. gravitor

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You're right, gravitor. It's our own unconsciousness and lack of motivation that has allowed us to get to the place we are now. I've never been into fast food, laziness or television. I was a professional athlete for 15 years. It drove me insane to watch people making the choices they made while making me wrong for working out, eating right, meditating and spending so much time in nature.

I'm hoping that somehow humanity can make a new choice. That's why I bother to shake the tree, trying to awaken or inspire people to see things differently. I really want the police and military to come to their senses and know they're one of us. If that happened, it would change the entire world....just that perception alone. I hate the programming, not the individuals. I want my people back.

Originally posted by thejlxc
I have a serious question for the people calling for this all being the womans fault for going to a protest....

So, driving is dangerous, lots of people die in those wrecks...

WHY WOULD A PREGNANT WOMAN EVER GET INTO A CAR? IT'S CRAZY AND ALL HER FAULT WHEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT!!!

Your entire argument shown for the lame attempt it is.

What is the likelyhood of crashing? Remote. What is the likelyhood of getting injured when going to a protest that you know has a strong possibility og turning violent and that the Police have a history, both recent and distant, of being heavy handed, very high.

Not really the same is it?

Originally posted by thejlxc
So, driving is dangerous, lots of people die in those wrecks... WHY WOULD A PREGNANT WOMAN EVER GET INTO A CAR? IT'S CRAZY AND ALL HER FAULT WHEN THERE'S AN ACCIDENT!!! Your entire argument shown for the lame attempt it is.

Here's your serious answer to your alleged 'serious' question ...

Using your picture ... a pregnant women getting into a car is fine ... like a pregnant woman going to a rally is fine ... but a pregnant women getting in the car with a drunk driver would be the same as a pregnant woman going to a rally that has a history of violence and use of chemical crowd control methods.

YOUR entire argument shown for the lame attempt it is. Backatchya.

Originally posted by PrimalRed
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I have always found it amusing that any video with a cop within 10 feet of a protester is called police brutality. But this is the only one that does not even have a cop in it and is still labeled as a police beating.
So if i have this right she was in the middle of the crowd then two cops come in. One kicks her in the stomach while she is trying to escape then ANOTHER cop comes in and rams her bike into her stomach.
Reporters have also doubted this story and have asked for medical records to back this story up so we will see where it goes.

Whether or not you saw the violence on the video does not mean there was not physical evidence of it. Have you ever seen someone beaten by the police? There must have been massive evidence. And the medical team wouldn't have missed it. Savvv? What planet are you from?

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

Everyone should always stay home, because the police will get you if you don't. Pregnant? Stay home! Elderly? Stay home! Suspicious skin color ?Stay home! Some sort of illness or diability? Stay home! Veteran? Stay home! made of meat? Stay home!

Nobody anywhere do anything ever, or else the police will get you!

Most slaves at least have the self-dignity to not lock their own shackles. What's your story, Uncle Remus?

This isn't to do with a Police state and either you know it or are set on just turning this into a political nonsense thread. If all you want to do is virtually wave a placard then please don't reply to my stuff.

Would you encourage your pregnant friend or girlfriend or partner or wife to go to a protest meeting where you clearly have seen clashes with Police at numerous very similar protests, if the answer is yes then I don't think very much of your devotion or friendship.

At the moment here in the UK we have a mini siege / protest re the same stuff at St Pauls cathedral, do you know what's happening at this 'protest'?

The place is covered in excrement, its so bad that the 'protesters' are defecating in side the halls of the church and around its outskirts. The church has been defaced by the protesters with graffiti and filthy words etched into the wooden doors. Pretty much the whole place is a drug den, they have caught people with class A stuff and loads of cannabis, there's used needles everywhere and some charmers have brought their children to live in this.

Class parenting....

Add to that the 'protesters' are interrupting the services while screaming filth..

Now if that's going on here I'm sure its going on there, still a place for a pregnant woman?

So you beat your right to protest drum and while its appropriate to protest its NOT appropriate to use a political protest just so you can have a mini drug camp, they are sorry losers, stoned dangerous drug filled defecating useless pieces of life with one aim, to do as little as possible while someone pays and clears up after them.

And of course, the exact place a pregnant woman should be!

Sigh....Have fun presumed tree hugger...

Originally posted by PrimalRed

Originally posted by AnonymousVan

I wouldn't let my pregnant wife got to an occupy protest.

Excuse me, not to sound rude, but womens have rights.


The police have to protects its citizens, , even the protesters

Oh i know women have rights but to say this is murder of an unborn child is also to say that the mother has the right to put her child in harms way so long as it politically aligns with what she wants. To say that the cops murdered anyone in this event is also to call the mother an accessory, you can't have it both ways.

1. It was illegal for the police to target any of the protestors or use any violence against them.

2. She announced her pregancy so their actions were deliberate.

3. They deserve jail time.

4. Who are you working for?

Originally posted by Toffeeapple

You're an Officer, a person shouts I'm pregnant while you're trying to carry out your orders to clear an area in a potentially volatile situation, what do you do? Let her go? Ok, she sits back down, the next person you try and remove "I can't move I've done my back in" let him go? Ok, the next person "I've got pains in my chest" let him go? Ok, before you know it you've asked everyone to move, they haven't and so you haven't removed anyone, you've gone back to the station and the now you're in line to get an absolute trashing from your superior and probably a warning for not carrying out a duty. The next day you're off again, same thing, go back, another warning. You keep doing this then bang, you're out of a job, you've lost your house and your wife and kids have left you and this is how it works and I have seen first hand how it works. You have to understand the the Police workers like the rest of us and I cannot stress how important it is for this movement to based primarily towards a rise of the working people, whether in America, Europe, Asia or Africa.

Back to this, you can't just say I'm pregnant to a copper who has told you to move from the area and expect him to say yeah ok that's fine, how's he supposed to know? Is he supposed to leave the scene with the woman take her to hospital and get a scan done? The bottomline is she should not have been there, you could say that officers shouldn't be so heavy handed but they have been more than likely told to clear the area quickly with likelyhood of massive resistence and the tactics employed would've been based around info that they had prior to the briefing and being deployed at the scene. I know it's hard to imagine but what happens if the Police just walk away? What happens if they don't carry out those orders? You either move or you don't. If you don't, then what? What message does that send across America? The Police have revolted or more to the point, the Police have lost authority and control. What do you think happens then?

I've looked up the dictionary definition of moving, and there's no mention of pepper spray, or kicking, or ramming bikes into people's stomachs.

And, allegedly, she was asking to be allowed to leave.

Whatever way you look at it, if isn't fabricated and took place as described, there's no way to justify it.

If they turned up and she said that she wants to leave and they just attacked, the Officers should be fired! If however, its all kicked off and then she starts saying she wants to leave, well it's all kicked off by then! I'm not saying it's right, but we need to get all the facts and not just media translations and internet hear say.