Police officer pepper-sprays seated, non-violent students at UC Davis

reply to post by e11888


And that i think is what makes my stomach churn so much...

some officers (i won't say most cause more often we find these sick individuals hiding behind the badge) are there to protect and serve but this man needs to have some course of action taken against him. pepper spray and mace is used to subdue a violent or potentially violent individual...these students were far from violent.

I think the police intend to send a clear message to the American public, ie think twice about protesting or we will come down hard on you.

I wonder who is giving the police orders to let this happen? How far up the chain of command does this go?

For those in favour of the police spraying these non violent protesters i ask you to please consider a hypothetical. If one of those protestors was your son, daughter, sister, brother or even close friend, despite how misguided you might think they are, how would it make you feel to see their faces covered in pepper spray?

Would you say to your son, "you see son the lovely policeman was just doing his job, may i emphasise exceptionally well, don't protest ever again, you should know the consequences!".

reply to post by Sharkie


Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Sharkie

 

Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

why should they be compliant, what are they doing wrong? And don't feed me that sitting on a pathway BS, cos that doesn't wash with me. I don't care if there's a by-law against it, i really don't. It is not an excuse to pepperspray a whole bunch of peaceful people. Who cares if his pride has been a little dented because people on a protest didn't jump through some filthy pigs hoops. he attacked those people for NO GOOD REASON, and there really is no other way to look at it, if you have 1 solitary ounce of humanity left in your soul.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Sharkie

 

Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

Compliant like sheep that sheer themselves?
Why should any free man do that?
They must have broken your will and darkened your soul.
SAD

reply to post by macman


In the TV show "Cops" their are plenty of examples (actually a majority) that show RUNNING criminals with HUGE records not being subjected to pepper spray.


Cops should have gotten behind each protestor pulled them up and cuffed them, if they were resisting after 2 or 3 warnings of the threat of pepper spray then they should have sprayed them. They should not have sprayed until active resistance occurred and warnings were ignored.

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Sharkie

 

Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

why should they be compliant, what are they doing wrong? And don't feed me that sitting on a pathway BS, cos that doesn't wash with me. I don't care if there's a by-law against it, i really don't. It is not an excuse to pepperspray a whole bunch of peaceful people. Who cares if his pride has been a little dented because people on a protest didn't jump through some filthy pigs hoops. he attacked those people for NO GOOD REASON, and there really is no other way to look at it, if you have 1 solitary ounce of humanity left in your soul.

What were they doing wrong, or what were they doing that was unlawful?
2 different things here.
Unlawful? Blocking right of way I think of private property.
And, not moving when given a lawful order to disperse.

He did not attack them. Give me a break.

Just because you don' t like cops, doesn't mean you don't have to obey the laws set forth.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Sharkie

 

Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

That LEO wasn't trying to get those kids to be compliant. He was punishing them for for having a different ideology than his. Blatant Abuse of authority.

Originally posted by Pokoia

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Sharkie

 

Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

Compliant like sheep that sheer themselves?
Why should any free man do that?
They must have broken your will and darkened your soul.
SAD

Oh good hell.
Daily poetic ATS responses do nothing for me.
Neither does telling me my soul is broke.
Crocodile tears.

If they want to go against the system, be prepared to suffer the consequences of the actions.

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Sharkie

 

Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

That LEO wasn't trying to get those kids to be compliant. He was punishing them for for having a different ideology than his. Blatant Abuse of authority.

Please show me the Minority Report that proves this.

Otherwise, being non compliant is being non compliant.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Sharkie

 

Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

Surely protesting and non compliance are of the same.

So if that was you kin failing to comply in such a passive nature,you would tell them to their faces they deserved to be pepper sprayed and furthermore support the police in their actions?

Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by macman

 

In the TV show "Cops" their are plenty of examples (actually a majority) that show RUNNING criminals with HUGE records not being subjected to pepper spray.


Cops should have gotten behind each protestor pulled them up and cuffed them, if they were resisting after 2 or 3 warnings of the threat of pepper spray then they should have sprayed them. They should not have sprayed until active resistance occurred and warnings were ignored.

edit on 20-11-2011 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)

Officer discretion is applied.
Different departments and different laws per state and locality.
By stating that you saw something on COPS doesn't make it true or correct.

Active resistance comes in many forms.
Non compliance is one of them.

All I am saying is regardless what I think of OWS, if they are going against the laws, be prepared to suffer the rewards or consequences.

The whole idea of actions with no consequences seems to be the mentality of most within OWS.

Originally posted by Sharkie

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Sharkie

 

Being pepper sprayed is not the result of protesting.

Being non compliant is the reason for pepper spraying.

edit on 20-11-2011 by Sharkie because: didn't finish writiing

Surely protesting and non compliance are of the same.

So if that was you kin failing to comply in such a passive nature,you would tell them to their faces they deserved to be pepper sprayed and furthermore support the police in their actions?

edit on 20-11-2011 by Sharkie because: didnt finish typing

Um, no they are not.
One may go hand in hand with the other, but they are not one in the same,.

To propose hypothetical what ifs is not relevant and serves only one purpose, to garner sympathy for people.
Not going to happen. Sorry.

Being deserving is not the issue either.

2 options for non compliance for this.
Pepper spray or go hands on with people.
The LEO chose or was directed to use Pepper Spray.

I would offer that this is more then likely a better choice, then going hands on with people.

Being older than most on here I remember the protests of the 60's and early 70's. Those protests were also mostly peaceful by the demonstrators with some over exuberance by the police.
I'm a conservative leaning independent that doesn't necessarily support the OWS protests. However, this police action at UC Davis was way over the top. There didn't appear to be any threat of violence by the protestors and they could have been peacefully removed by the police.
It's actions like this that will start to ignite the passions of the 98.9% of us that are usually quiet and don't get involved.
It appears that the conflicts are escalating and unfortunately we could soon have a Kent State type atrocity occur. That may be the only way in which real changes are put at the forefront of the American people.

Originally posted by poundpuppy
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Many FAIL to realize that the FAILURE to comply with a police order or request to disperse is probably what brought this on.

I do not agree with it per say but I really find it hard to have empathy nor sympathy for those who FAIL to respond to a verbal order to disperse in a non violent way.

For the 100th time - then the students should have been ARRESTED. Not ASSAULTED.

What part of that don't you get?

Originally posted by Riffrafter

Originally posted by poundpuppy
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Many FAIL to realize that the FAILURE to comply with a police order or request to disperse is probably what brought this on.

I do not agree with it per say but I really find it hard to have empathy nor sympathy for those who FAIL to respond to a verbal order to disperse in a non violent way.

For the 100th time - then the students should have been ARRESTED. Not ASSAULTED.

What part of that don't you get?

This is not assault.
Please show me the Law stating that use of pepper spray by LEO and the Department during non compliance is such.

reply to post by mileysubet

It's a little thing called "civil disobedience". I suggest you look into it.

What if elderly people had to walk along that footpath and could not walk on the lumpy grass incase they fell???


Block public space and be expected to be removed simple as that.

Originally posted by Vaxar
What if elderly people had to walk along that footpath and could not walk on the lumpy grass incase they fell???


Block public space and be expected to be removed simple as that.

The police are not worried about the health and safety of senior citizens. If that was the case they wouldn't assault and pepper spray elderly protesters. So your argument, such as it is, fails at the first hurdle. The police were not trying to ensure a safe passageway. Furthermore, I don't think you have a right to have a safe path in America. I read that many people drive because it is impossible to walk safely from one street to another.

Originally posted by Malcher
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

They can make pepper spray any way they want to and that was a mild shot. Look at the guy in the center of the video and he just sits there. That like getting hit with a tossed salad.

Pepper spray or not, it is still assault. If I were to throw a drink in someone's face in certain jurisdictions I'd be breaking the law. I think assaulting peaceful protestors is a far worse crime and erodes the worth of this country far more than sitting passively on the ground without the permission of authorities. Our founding fathers tried to ensure we would have the right to peacefully protest and seek a redress of grievance from our government. They must not have foreseen how so many of us would allow our most basic and fundamental right be whittled down to a a mere ideal through piddling little ordinances. Go on, keep ceding all our power to the almighty police who show time and time again they hold htmeselves above the most basic law of the land. They are literally beating people over the heads now with piddling numbered and coded ordinances while our most basic rights get trampled.