Military training and it's effect on humans

reply to post by gravitor


Yes, having six million of your own ethnic group exterminated for a tiny plot of land off the Mediterranean is a logical move for taking over the world.

So who do you think is running the world now? You said it was Nazi's, but apparently now it's Jews. Doesn't seem like the makings of a happy partnership for world domination

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Occupying my chair right now as I eat this burrito. Does that count?

The soldiers that are fighting now are doing their duty as americans. Us who don't agree with them entirely and who aren't in the military service should go Protest or Occupy something, in other words you're saying we need to pick up the slack of the rest of those american soldiers who don't have the real guts to really fight for freedom and our liberties. Spoken like the Orwellian brotherhood wants, you sophist.

So why are you in your house and on the computer when you could be 'fighting for freedom and liberties?'

Fighting is not the answer...information is the weapon.

Unless the armed forces realise what is occuring and actually do what is their order.
To protect the PEOPLE of their country.
Not to be a bunch of mugs doing the murderous dictates of crazed zionist led nazi's who are looking to dominate the globe and possibly de populate it of PEOPLE.

The armed forces are the ones acting in a treacherous manner.
WE THE PEOPLE do not want any wars, get the hell out of the middle east and leave them to sort out their own affairs.

PLEASE.
gravitor

Then 'the people' need to get off their lazy butts and vote for someone who will not send troops to war. Simply as that. The military does not choose if, when, or where they are sent!. When President Bush decided he wanted to invade for imaginary WMDs there was not a straw poll asking the military about it. He wanted us there, we got sent.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by gravitor

 

Its not fear, its loyalty. And what you speak of is treason. If i could i would charge you gravitor with treason and call for the stiffest punishment. Death! But......

Your in the UK and are loyal to nothing.

Turn on my commander.......... Negative!

Your usefullness is questionable.

Ha Ha,
I have won a bet I had with Myself last night that a life threat would be made against Me on this thread.
Thats Your brainwashed logic turning Me into the enemy, exactly what I have been pushing towards revealing.
So I am treasonous saying that the military forces been USED to invade peacefull countries have been infiltrated at the very top , and that those forces are acting in their BORG like OBEY system of mind control to become none thinking murderers of innocent people , men , women and children .
That is treason is it?????
You certainly don't like hearing some good old apple pie truth do YOU??
Because all You have been indoctrinated via the nazi owned media is garbage.
gravitor...bet winner

You are really oversensitive. How is that a death threat? More importantly what peaeful countries have we invaded? We know you are trying to push our buttons you just don't know what they are.

Please stop trying to act like you know Americans. Apple pie truth??? Just speak like you do in the UK.

I know you will never get it its hard for a civilan to understand structure honor sacrafice like we have but we understand what it is to be a civvilian because whe have lived in both worllds.

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Maybe if it was the Pecan Pie Truth. I'm just not a fan of apple pie...

If saying mean things to me was a deterrent then I never would have made it past 6th grade If anything all this has been quite amusing. And people wonder why I don't like to talk about my deployments

Originally posted by MarkScheppy
See that Raivan31 (a writer) began the Civvy discussion of Us Vs the bad military. Is he getting tasered now as we speak by military forces meant to suppress free thinking or is he officially done with this discussion? I see the military and civilians are starting to speak a little more cordially, pour salsa over all our lashing out we've gotten out of our system. I would like someone military or Civilian to tell me more about this Rex84, my friend told me about it and he was supposedly told about it from a Vet that he talked to here at the foreign legion.

Probably not unless he's living in Burma or North Korea. I've spoken against the war on numerous occasions, and remain unaccosted thank goodness.

And something like plan Rex84 isn't that unusual. If it could even remotely possibly happen then there are probably ten different plans on what to do if it does.

This talk of salsa is now making me hungry...

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Occupying my chair right now as I eat this burrito. Does that count?

The soldiers that are fighting now are doing their duty as americans. Us who don't agree with them entirely and who aren't in the military service should go Protest or Occupy something, in other words you're saying we need to pick up the slack of the rest of those american soldiers who don't have the real guts to really fight for freedom and our liberties. Spoken like the Orwellian brotherhood wants, you sophist.

So why are you in your house and on the computer when you could be 'fighting for freedom and liberties?'

Fighting is not the answer...information is the weapon.

Unless the armed forces realise what is occuring and actually do what is their order.
To protect the PEOPLE of their country.
Not to be a bunch of mugs doing the murderous dictates of crazed zionist led nazi's who are looking to dominate the globe and possibly de populate it of PEOPLE.

The armed forces are the ones acting in a treacherous manner.
WE THE PEOPLE do not want any wars, get the hell out of the middle east and leave them to sort out their own affairs.

PLEASE.
gravitor

I agree with most there. You say Information, bu I say fighting with Fundamental Principles. One of the good threads on here recently about "Plato got it right 2400 years ago.." www.abovetopsecret.com... PLASIFISK the commie saying the UK doesn't fight in wars, doesn't know a major lot about the Middle East. The UK helped mitigrate how the modern crisis began, starting with the UK homosexual, T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia).

The guy who United the arab tribes, was a psychopath as well as a fudge packer (don't know if he did that out there).Today's troops playing butt tag out in the desert for the oil companies and following in the footsteps of the greatest player of that game world has ever known. ('Sides maybe Richard the Lionheart, I've heard some stories there).

You cannot fix the trans-atlantic system it is in economic collapse. Trying to think of the guy who had arguments with Queen Victoria of differences between Empire and State Kingdom. They hate babies, the empire and American forces being used over there by the Empire (in Lawrence of Arabia fashion); it's about allowing the trans-atlantic system to further disintegrate. And the baby boomer brainwashing to make us just "go along to get along, things will just work themselves out." The Boomer mentality fails time and time again.

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What do T.E. Lawrence's sexual proclivities have to do with anything? He really more or less BSed about his 'accomplishments' and their strategic implications in the Middle East (though apparently his fascination with S&M was true...) For a long time the only information about Lawrence was what he himself wrote (which was more or less that he's awesome and united every Arab tribe known to man.)

I'm a gay man, have been to the Middle East, and have not been struck by the urge to conquer/unite/whatever it. In fact what I would like to do once I finish med school is to go back to do relief work. Tbh we didn't get much in the way of propaganda other than 'they have Man Love Thursdays' and 'if you're about to be captured save a bullet for yourself because all they'll do is saw your head off and post the video on the internet.' The first bit seems more like confusion about their social norms (though I honest to Raptor Jesus saw what appeared to be a man and a donkey having some alone time on a thermal camera...) The last bit I more or less accept as probably if not guaranteed.

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by gravitor

 

Its not fear, its loyalty. And what you speak of is treason. If i could i would charge you gravitor with treason and call for the stiffest punishment. Death! But......

Your in the UK and are loyal to nothing.

Turn on my commander.......... Negative!

Your usefullness is questionable.

Ha Ha,
I have won a bet I had with Myself last night that a life threat would be made against Me on this thread.
Thats Your brainwashed logic turning Me into the enemy, exactly what I have been pushing towards revealing.
So I am treasonous saying that the military forces been USED to invade peacefull countries have been infiltrated at the very top , and that those forces are acting in their BORG like OBEY system of mind control to become none thinking murderers of innocent people , men , women and children .
That is treason is it?????
You certainly don't like hearing some good old apple pie truth do YOU??
Because all You have been indoctrinated via the nazi owned media is garbage.
gravitor...bet winner

You are really oversensitive. How is that a death threat? More importantly what peaeful countries have we invaded? We know you are trying to push our buttons you just don't know what they are.

Please stop trying to act like you know Americans. Apple pie truth??? Just speak like you do in the UK.

I know you will never get it its hard for a civilan to understand structure honor sacrafice like we have but we understand what it is to be a civvilian because whe have lived in both worllds.

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www.theconspiracyexplained.com...

It's all been carefully planned a long long time.
And the trainging mind control methods employed have been well honed.

The current military is acting against the PEOPLE, WAKE UP.
gravitor

I perused a bit of it, and imo it reeks of the spin you get from networks like Fox News or MSNBC. Though at least it doesn't have Bill O'Reilly so I didn't get any nosebleeds or dry heaving.

Well fellas,

In case I don't speak to you all tomorrow to continue this crazy thread. Have a happy and blessed Thanks Giving.

In closing, allow me to say this without offending anyone ( if possible).

regardless of your beliefs i will judge your character at face value. i have put my foot in my mouth many a time (nothing to do with politics),and have learned to humble myself. the first mistake people make on ATS it seems is trying to push your beliefs, etc. etc. on others. You get nowhere by doing so.

Ya'll be safe, stay focused, and stay positive.

out.

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by MarkScheppy
See that Raivan31 (a writer) began the Civvy discussion of Us Vs the bad military. Is he getting tasered now as we speak by military forces meant to suppress free thinking or is he officially done with this discussion? I see the military and civilians are starting to speak a little more cordially, pour salsa over all our lashing out we've gotten out of our system. I would like someone military or Civilian to tell me more about this Rex84, my friend told me about it and he was supposedly told about it from a Vet that he talked to here at the foreign legion.

Probably not unless he's living in Burma or North Korea. I've spoken against the war on numerous occasions, and remain unaccosted thank goodness.

And something like plan Rex84 isn't that unusual. If it could even remotely possibly happen then there are probably ten different plans on what to do if it does.

This talk of salsa is now making me hungry...

Being prepared is what I expect from my country if anything I would say we are grosely unprepaired from many real threats although I am fairly certain there is some sort of contingency plan somewhere for most instances.

I watched a 60 minutes a couple weeks ago talking about how our power plants are vulnerable to cyber attack. They proved that a hacker or group could get into the system and cause a Catastrophic failure which could damage or in some cases make them explode. I am just talking about normal power plants not nuclear. The estimation on how long it would take to get things back up and running was anywhere from 2 to 6 years.

Yet another reason I have solar panels on my roof.

Something like that there would be mass anarchy and a possible need for military to act as a police entity.We were needed at katrina but I believe they used NG there.

Oh yeah I like blueberry pie its my favorite. MMM MMMM yum.

I think Raivan31 left this forum a long time ago. I respect you for demostrating against the war and even support your decission at least on Iraq. My view on it is just different because I look at the stretegic placeing. I never supported going into Iraq even when I though WMDs were there I felt like we could have just won that with a air campain but as I said in a previouse post whats done is done. Also from what I understand we are pulling out of Iraq we just turned over a base yesterday.

I guess one of my fears is if we pull out completly Iran will invade Iraq soon as we are gone and then you know we will be right back in there with the stakes being even higher.

I think its cool that you are a pacifis. Is it to the extreme that if some one hit you you wouldn't defend yourself or are you within reason. I am not trying to be a smart ass I am just curriouse.

I never get pissed at people who don't support the war or wars its the people who attack the soldiers for doing there duty.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by PLASIFISK

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by MarkScheppy

 

That is the first I had heard of REX84 but I just looked it up and read it. To me it's no big deal its simply a contingency plan for if things go really bad. I am sure there are thousands of plans such as those the one I used to be interested in was the what if scenarios of a terrorist attack involving a nuclear weapon. REX84 may have a place in such a situation.

Try to remember the fatal flaw with many of these conspiracy theorys involving the use of American Soldiers against its own populace is that as soldiers we just wouldn't do it. It would go against the UCMJ and our oath to defend against forieghn and demestic. I remember some of us were playing cards one day and the subject came up. Not that exact subject but pretty close ( this was before 9/11) it was a what if conversation and I can tell you flat out if orders came down for us to turn on the civilian populace then we would switch sides along with our equipment. That wouldn't be necessay because there is a structure of laws and courts that we would simply remove those who issued those unlawfull orders.

ANG and all NG units can be called up by there individual states to help in emergency situations federal military it takes a pressidential order for them to act inside the U.S..

I originaly was active duty got out for a year then enlisted in the ANG spent 7 years in there and after 9-11 transfered back to active duty but I am now a civilian.

My battle buddies and I had that same conversation Grim.And as you stated, we would secure all of our vehicles, weapons, ammo, aircraft etc etc. and set up shop somewhere. Civilians and military together as one. Asking me to turn on civilians is like telling me to turn on my wife and kids! That would never happen, and hell have no equal to the lengths i would go through to protect them.

believe me when I say that!

I think people who have never been in the military forget we are citzens to and have bought into the hollywood movies to much. It seems like they have a fear of the unknown thing which if they just took a little more time to learn aout our culture and the laws we abide by wouln't be such alarmists. We are citizens that are held to a higher standard o f rules, regulations, and way of life.

We gave up a lot of rights when we joined but we never gave up or beliefs or opinions. LOL We just were not alowed to expree those opinions with cival dissobediance or quiting our jobs if we didn't like it. Be damned if I would have ever fired on our own population or anything like that. I never met a soldier that would either.

Before people start judging us I will ask you to first read the UCMJ and learn more about us, so many of the questions and scenarios we asked about on here are so far off that it amazes me. Stop reading the next conspiracy theory on how the govt plans to take over with the military and learn the rules we live by that make those scenarios impossible.

Thank You.

Speeking of Hollywood I am watching Fast Five from the fast and the furiouse movies it pretty good but I don't believe that the people can drive like that

Its just make believe.

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Rambo, Tom Clancy, and the SOCOM games have given people some hilarious misconceptions. You do much more janitor work and Spades playing than anything related to national security or blowing stuff up. Makes for a good laugh when I tell people I was a Marine, and they act like I know magical ninja Mission Impossible secrets

This is more or less how things happen:

1. Play Spades and bitch.

2. Go do a working party to clean something that's been cleaned a dozen times already while bitching.

3. Play more Spades, continue to bitch, and then decide to do something stupid out of boredom:

4. Do that stupid thing, more than likely video it: www.youtube.com...

5. Get NJPed, bitch about it.

6. Play more Spades, turn bitching into another video: www.youtube.com...

Lather, rinse, and repeat

I am sorry I did not read the entire thread. But thought I should add my two cents.

First I agree with most of what OP is saying. Why? Because I allowed it to happen to me. Entering a completely different social stucture than what you grew up is a top priority of our military. I can't go into all the why is that necessary other than to relay what I learned from a much wiser man. This man was a full fledged member of the Great Generation. He was in the third attack wave on Omaha Beach. He told me before I went in this truth. If you ever are in combat, you must first come to the reality that you are already dead. After you have died to yourself can you make the right decisions to bring you and your buddies through the fight.

Without these men and women that have already sacrificed their life before-hand, we would be speaking German or Japanese right now. So to some extent we all realize that this lesson is a reality for us. It changes us. Maybe not for the good of the individual but I certainly believe it to for the good of society.

I am a twenty year veteran of the submarine force.

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I have no problem with self defense, and human nature means that there will always be a military. I don't talk about the pacifist thing a lot except when people think having been in the military means you want to run around napalming babies or what have you I don't mind when people talk bad about the military. I like free speech, so if you hear people saying outrageous stuff then you at least know the system is working. If we were really run by these crazy Jewish Nazi Bankers like Gravitor says then we would most certainly not be hearing any of what people like him say.

War is a catch-22. Don't have it and something bad can happen, do have it and something bad can happen. I've just personally decided I'm done with it. Especially because of the disgusting amount of power the military-industrial complex has, and the resulting policy decisions. So you get a trillion dollars to build a stealth ship that's never been used, but forking over a couple million to fix the Veteran's Administration is a no go. There never seems to be much in the way of prevention of wars, either.

We gave millions of dollars to fund the arming of Afghans to fight off the Soviets for pretty much just spite, but after they left we did nothing to improve the lives of the people there (education, infrastructure, etc) and ended up destabilizing the country. We probably bought more than a few of the mortars they used to shoot at us. Iran is another good example: Iranians ousted the Shah because his regime was corrupt and abusive. They democratically choose a new President, but when he seemed to have some Communist sympathies (more likely he was just shopping around to get the best support for his country) we send the CIA over there to assassinate him and re-install the Shah. Forty or so years later after the country has enough with being abused by their king, revolt, and then it becomes a fundamentalist theocracy which destabilized the region. Something similar is brewing in Saudi Arabia (whom we also prop up.) And don't even get me started on the Iran-Contra nonsense, lol!

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I think people are just inclined towards it. You know how some people will listen to others, absorb the wisdom of society, listen to superiors, serve their country, help others first before helping themselves... and then there're some who talk above others, veer off the path, sneer at superiors and authority, view service as base, and exist mostly in their mind, only occasionally coming out to see what other people think about their theories.

Military people get that way because MILITARY LIFE IS TOUGH and SOMEBODY HAS TO DO IT. You can't hide behind your walls and hope the enemy never bothers you. It's a fact of life.

Without people who care and serve we would be a nation of stuck up lab coats or academics.

That's what I think.

There's also the issue that they sacrifice their lives for this country and then come back and people insult them and ignore them and patronize them every chance they get.

And then the government abandons them AND they're stuck with a disability.

How would you feel if a fancy dressed guy, who's never seen war, started hating on the military?

These guys will storm an island when commanded to, under a hail of bullets from every direction. They will go into a jungle where everything is vegetation except the blood that spurts from bodies when bullets cut through them. They will run the trenches, tripping over corpses and saving the wounded. They'll do it all. And they won't even complain. They'll hold it all inside until years later the memories hit them hard enough to send them to the floor and unable to do sh**.

YOu should be grateful somebody is out there tkaing bullets for you and watching their friends die. If it weren't for them, you couldn't be here on this forum trashing them.

Whgat would the world be like if people actually understood each other? I bet we would have been done with Afghanistan years ago and took care of Saddam in the 1990's. In fact, I bet that if we all understood each other better that we would actually live on a peaceful planet without frequent genocide. But I guess the real world is all there is. At least you got yoru hole to live in.

reply to post by Equidae


I am with you on just about everything you said there. By the way the videos were awsome. The Iran Contra you don't need to get started on it. That is part of my whole anti Reagan speach although I think he did a lot of good he was still flawed. Especialy because I love going to Central America and have talked to the people who lived through it. Such a Beautiful country and people in my opinion and whenever I go I help people set up small wind turbines made from car alternator's and I know how do do stained glass so I spend a week in Grenada there teaching usually the young at a church there.
Gravitar has just got me in a go Army mode but I hardly ever talk about this stuff in everyday life. I have mad respect for you. You have very valid points and I enjoy reading your posts. I was just curriouse on your paccifist stance is all.

I am currently trying to get a discussion going in this thread ows
However no one seems to be up for it.

By the way its kind of funny but everyone in my familly and most of my friends think I am liberal at least compared to them but on here people lie Gravitar make feel like the right or even joining the NRA. I feel like I am in between I far middle. I have liscense for concealed carry but never do except on trips. I don't know who I will vote for yet. I am for the millitary but feel they can cut a lot of spending from it. Like I read the f22 raptor though it is a great plane it has never been deployed. UAV project I am for and UGV that which they have cut spending on I feel is dumb. We should totally fund Unmanned vehicles anything that makes our troops safer. I read reports like how they purposely no goed the dragon skin armour and it pisses me off. I see no reason why we need 3000 nuclear misssles in this country though and that is something like 60 million each just for upkeep not to mention what it costs to replace. I am pro choice and pro gun go figure. I could rant on and on but I will bore myself.

Originally posted by jonnywhite
There's also the issue that they sacrifice their lives for this country and then come back and people insult them and ignore them and patronize them every chance they get.

And then the government abandons them AND they're stuck with a disability.

How would you feel if a fancy dressed guy, who's never seen war, started hating on the military?

These guys will storm an island when commanded to, under a hail of bullets from every direction. They will go into a jungle where everything is vegetation except the blood that spurts from bodies when bullets cut through them. They will run the trenches, tripping over corpses and saving the wounded. They'll do it all. And they won't even complain. They'll hold it all inside until years later the memories hit them hard enough to send them to the floor and unable to do sh**.

YOu should be grateful somebody is out there tkaing bullets for you. You wouldn't survive a second out there. You can barely even entertain the thought all by itself.

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Hey thanks Johny for your words and support. However we do complain a lot actually its just to each other though. Its a soldiers right to bitch as my comander once said to me just bitch to those in your pay grade.lol. We also try to keep it to a minumum so we don't bring down the group. Common things to bitch about food,guard duty, pay,sleep, command, and time off. We just get angry when we are getting shot at and thats the best way to be in a situation like that. Peace..

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by thejlxc
Now that I know they simply kill innocent people for money lenders, I am deeply saddened, but also very glad I never killed anyone when I was a solider.

Riigghhtt.

I guess when you were going thru basic, you missed the class on killing innocent people.

And if you were actually in the military as you said, you'd know it's "Soldier", not "soldier".

You are a no-go at this station. Sound familiar?

I was a Fire Support Specialist in the Army during 1990-1991, and my unit was sent to Iraq in the last few months of it. I said I didn't kill anyone while I was in the Army, I got the training, but never had to personally use it. Oh, and it's soldier. I gave up all my military "control" training a long long time ago.

Originally posted by thejlxc
I was a Fire Support Specialist in the Army during 1990-1991, and my unit was sent to Iraq in the last few months of it. I said I didn't kill anyone while I was in the Army, I got the training, but never had to personally use it. Oh, and it's soldier. I gave up all my military "control" training a long long time ago.

Sorry, it's not "military control training", it's just proper English, but hey, you just keep on rockin'!

Originally posted by thejlxc

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by thejlxc
Now that I know they simply kill innocent people for money lenders, I am deeply saddened, but also very glad I never killed anyone when I was a solider.

Riigghhtt.

I guess when you were going thru basic, you missed the class on killing innocent people.

And if you were actually in the military as you said, you'd know it's "Soldier", not "soldier".

You are a no-go at this station. Sound familiar?

I was a Fire Support Specialist in the Army during 1990-1991, and my unit was sent to Iraq in the last few months of it. I said I didn't kill anyone while I was in the Army, I got the training, but never had to personally use it. Oh, and it's soldier. I gave up all my military "control" training a long long time ago.

Why did you only serve for a year?

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by MarkScheppy

 

That is the first I had heard of REX84 but I just looked it up and read it. To me it's no big deal its simply a contingency plan for if things go really bad. I am sure there are thousands of plans such as those the one I used to be interested in was the what if scenarios of a terrorist attack involving a nuclear weapon. REX84 may have a place in such a situation.

Try to remember the fatal flaw with many of these conspiracy theorys involving the use of American Soldiers against its own populace is that as soldiers we just wouldn't do it. It would go against the UCMJ and our oath to defend against forieghn and demestic. I remember some of us were playing cards one day and the subject came up. Not that exact subject but pretty close ( this was before 9/11) it was a what if conversation and I can tell you flat out if orders came down for us to turn on the civilian populace then we would switch sides along with our equipment. That wouldn't be necessay because there is a structure of laws and courts that we would simply remove those who issued those unlawfull orders.

ANG and all NG units can be called up by there individual states to help in emergency situations federal military it takes a pressidential order for them to act inside the U.S..

I originaly was active duty got out for a year then enlisted in the ANG spent 7 years in there and after 9-11 transfered back to active duty but I am now a civilian.

You probably won't mind, Grim sir if I use your quotes as you being a military person. The more layers of info the better. There are some threads on ABTS forums about Rex84 (others started them.) A soldier wouldn't do it, but a military contractor like Halliburton or DynaCorp definitely would, which I believe has ties with "Freedom Group" a George Soros company, they would do it. They have no ties to our constitution or to any nation or UN charter. Viscount Palmerston talked about this back in the medieval days of the 1800's, “Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.” (Al Gore is another, some people think of him as Satan). And the yellow press here in America isn't reporting about the good actions of Soldiers that you talk about over in Iraq who are building schools, only the negative actions.

That is a drama where human beings on a world stage. Opposed to an Animal-farm like existence where we are told orders and made to believe we are lesser human beings. REX84 may have a place in a situation as you say just as the Atomic bomb may have a place in a situation. This structure of "laws" and courts you mentioned would disappear though if Martial Law were brought about by a Palmerston like coup of government, brutality abroad mirrored by political insanity at home. That could happen, because the Economic System now is in death throws and the Empire could do something rash and desperate such as that. Or a Project Blue Beam, Fake alien attack I have also read about with the Chemtrail barium seeding. It wouldn't be that hard to pull off some kind of mass deception with a hidden Martial law. Then people like me would pray that American Soldiers wouldn't attack me for opposing the unlawful coup of government. Isn't our government now being run by a "Super-Commitee" or Super Congress?? And then Rex84 with the FEMA camps.

Originally posted by Equidae
What do T.E. Lawrence's sexual proclivities have to do with anything? He really more or less BSed about his 'accomplishments' and their strategic implications in the Middle East (though apparently his fascination with S&M was true...) For a long time the only information about Lawrence was what he himself wrote (which was more or less that he's awesome and united every Arab tribe known to man.)

I'm a gay man, have been to the Middle East, and have not been struck by the urge to conquer/unite/whatever it. In fact what I would like to do once I finish med school is to go back to do relief work. Tbh we didn't get much in the way of propaganda other than 'they have Man Love Thursdays' and 'if you're about to be captured save a bullet for yourself because all they'll do is saw your head off and post the video on the internet.' The first bit seems more like confusion about their social norms (though I honest to Raptor Jesus saw what appeared to be a man and a donkey having some alone time on a thermal camera...) The last bit I more or less accept as probably if not guaranteed.

edit on 23/11/11 by Equidae because: (no reason given)

The propaganda that American forces face today in Iraq was already started by people like Lawrence of Arabia. This homosexual tendancy is crucial for venting angry and frustration in other parts of the world and destroying places (based on sexual preference). Not all homosexuals but when it comes to world politics then a man like Lawrence Arabia who is given authority to do the will of the British empire, to subjugate people and make them slaves for control. That gives it a different flavour I would say.

The psychopath takes on different meaning, where you are starting a war where before there was none. And men of deviant sexuality like Lawrence of Arabia who become these spiffy like-folk heroes, it just displays how this is all a big comic ritual by the people in empire who orchestrate wars. It is interesting that the Bohemian Grove club still do rituals where the grown men all get naked and do mock sacrifices to Mol-ech. Conquer a nation and the gay men (no offense) can happily dance around in poppy fields.

Probably most of what you say is true and most of what I say is not relevant. But I know that propaganda is what started the war and the occuption, in Arab lands. We aren't really writing their laws, we want them to write their own laws, while we continue stationing there. That is as you say Catch-22. "Man Love Thursdays?" That really has a Lawrence of Arabia sound to it, though I doubt his was just on thursdays!