Military training and it's effect on humans

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by gravitor

 

Its not fear, its loyalty. And what you speak of is treason. If i could i would charge you gravitor with treason and call for the stiffest punishment. Death! But......

Your in the UK and are loyal to nothing.

Turn on my commander.......... Negative!

Your usefullness is questionable.

Ha Ha,
I have won a bet I had with Myself last night that a life threat would be made against Me on this thread.

Thats Your brainwashed logic turning Me into the enemy, exactly what I have been pushing towards revealing.

So I am treasonous saying that the military forces been USED to invade peacefull countries have been infiltrated at the very top , and that those forces are acting in their BORG like OBEY system of mind control to become none thinking murderers of innocent people , men , women and children .
That is treason is it?????

You certainly don't like hearing some good old apple pie truth do YOU??

Because all You have been indoctrinated via the nazi owned media is garbage.

gravitor...bet winner

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Occupying my chair right now as I eat this burrito. Does that count?

The soldiers that are fighting now are doing their duty as americans. Us who don't agree with them entirely and who aren't in the military service should go Protest or Occupy something, in other words you're saying we need to pick up the slack of the rest of those american soldiers who don't have the real guts to really fight for freedom and our liberties. Spoken like the Orwellian brotherhood wants, you sophist.

So why are you in your house and on the computer when you could be 'fighting for freedom and liberties?'

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Those Nazis sure are losing their edge on screening people since little 'ole queer me was let in

This thread is starting to cross the Skunkworks threshold

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Occupying my chair right now as I eat this burrito. Does that count?

The soldiers that are fighting now are doing their duty as americans. Us who don't agree with them entirely and who aren't in the military service should go Protest or Occupy something, in other words you're saying we need to pick up the slack of the rest of those american soldiers who don't have the real guts to really fight for freedom and our liberties. Spoken like the Orwellian brotherhood wants, you sophist.

So why are you in your house and on the computer when you could be 'fighting for freedom and liberties?'

Fighting is not the answer...information is the weapon.

Unless the armed forces realise what is occuring and actually do what is their order.
To protect the PEOPLE of their country.
Not to be a bunch of mugs doing the murderous dictates of crazed zionist led nazi's who are looking to dominate the globe and possibly de populate it of PEOPLE.

The armed forces are the ones acting in a treacherous manner.
WE THE PEOPLE do not want any wars, get the hell out of the middle east and leave them to sort out their own affairs.

PLEASE.
gravitor

Originally posted by Equidae

How does thinking about enlisting, and then deciding not to make you an authority on Vietnam or what a war is?

I am no more an authority than anyone else in this forum. I have a feeling that about 90 percent of the so-called knowledgeable people are full of it, although you can get some good insight here from time to time.

I am not an authority, I'll admit. My parents wanted me to join the military, like I know many youths in high school, college are pressured by someone, usually parents or peers to enlist. The benefits and training and it's a direction you can go where as before you had none. Can't argue with the benefits of a military career if done right. But it's not for everyone. Just like working out in the oilfields and making tons of money doing hard grunt work isn't for everyone. Either way in the military or out in the workforce it seems you are always going to get yelled at by somebody. An angry person or boss or person trying to be the boss yelling.

I've met a lot of Vietnam vets and talked to them. I've watched documentaries and read books, I can tell, I just know by talking to them that the war has never left them. They are still in the war you can see it in their eyes (like a deep darkness there) and watch it in their actions. Maybe that sounds a bit too surreal and abstract, but vietnam vets seem to all share some real similar thing. You can look in their eyes and it is like a large part of them is somewhere else and thinking about something else and it is usually something kind of hardcore. Probably the best authorities on war are the dead corpses, but they can't speak.

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Occupying my chair right now as I eat this burrito. Does that count?

The soldiers that are fighting now are doing their duty as americans. Us who don't agree with them entirely and who aren't in the military service should go Protest or Occupy something, in other words you're saying we need to pick up the slack of the rest of those american soldiers who don't have the real guts to really fight for freedom and our liberties. Spoken like the Orwellian brotherhood wants, you sophist.

So why are you in your house and on the computer when you could be 'fighting for freedom and liberties?'

Fighting is not the answer...information is the weapon.

Unless the armed forces realise what is occuring and actually do what is their order.
To protect the PEOPLE of their country.
Not to be a bunch of mugs doing the murderous dictates of crazed zionist led nazi's who are looking to dominate the globe and possibly de populate it of PEOPLE.

The armed forces are the ones acting in a treacherous manner.
WE THE PEOPLE do not want any wars, get the hell out of the middle east and leave them to sort out their own affairs.

PLEASE.
gravitor

What 'Zionist' principles are being fulfilled by having a war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Kind of far from the 'Holy Land.'

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by Equidae

How does thinking about enlisting, and then deciding not to make you an authority on Vietnam or what a war is?

I am no more an authority than anyone else in this forum. I have a feeling that about 90 percent of the so-called knowledgeable people are full of it, although you can get some good insight here from time to time.

I am not an authority, I'll admit. My parents wanted me to join the military, like I know many youths in high school, college are pressured by someone, usually parents or peers to enlist. The benefits and training and it's a direction you can go where as before you had none. Can't argue with the benefits of a military career if done right. But it's not for everyone. Just like working out in the oilfields and making tons of money doing hard grunt work isn't for everyone. Either way in the military or out in the workforce it seems you are always going to get yelled at by somebody. An angry person or boss or person trying to be the boss yelling.

I've met a lot of Vietnam vets and talked to them. I've watched documentaries and read books, I can tell, I just know by talking to them that the war has never left them. They are still in the war you can see it in their eyes (like a deep darkness there) and watch it in their actions. Maybe that sounds a bit too surreal and abstract, but vietnam vets seem to all share some real similar thing. You can look in their eyes and it is like a large part of them is somewhere else and thinking about something else and it is usually something kind of hardcore. Probably the best authorities on war are the dead corpses, but they can't speak.

Agreed.

But I would say talk to a few more Iraq/Afghanistan veterans. One thing that hasn't changed, and probably never will, is that war changes you. I unfortunately know a few people who share the same look that you're describing. It's a waste because (imo) nothing has really changed in either country. It's despicable to see how certain people have gotten rich out of this mess. More people should read Smedley Butler's War Is A Racket (I quote it in my signature). It's been 80 years since it was published, and is still spot on. That's why I'm going to med school.

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Occupying my chair right now as I eat this burrito. Does that count?

The soldiers that are fighting now are doing their duty as americans. Us who don't agree with them entirely and who aren't in the military service should go Protest or Occupy something, in other words you're saying we need to pick up the slack of the rest of those american soldiers who don't have the real guts to really fight for freedom and our liberties. Spoken like the Orwellian brotherhood wants, you sophist.

So why are you in your house and on the computer when you could be 'fighting for freedom and liberties?'

Fighting is not the answer...information is the weapon.

Unless the armed forces realise what is occuring and actually do what is their order.
To protect the PEOPLE of their country.
Not to be a bunch of mugs doing the murderous dictates of crazed zionist led nazi's who are looking to dominate the globe and possibly de populate it of PEOPLE.

The armed forces are the ones acting in a treacherous manner.
WE THE PEOPLE do not want any wars, get the hell out of the middle east and leave them to sort out their own affairs.

PLEASE.
gravitor

What 'Zionist' principles are being fulfilled by having a war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Kind of far from the 'Holy Land.'

I would spell it out for You but I am busy building defences against those who want to have Me up on treason charges.
They will be similer to the SS.
www.rense.com...
gravitor

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by gravitor

 

Its not fear, its loyalty. And what you speak of is treason. If i could i would charge you gravitor with treason and call for the stiffest punishment. Death! But......

Your in the UK and are loyal to nothing.

Turn on my commander.......... Negative!

Your usefullness is questionable.

Ha Ha,
I have won a bet I had with Myself last night that a life threat would be made against Me on this thread.
Thats Your brainwashed logic turning Me into the enemy, exactly what I have been pushing towards revealing.
So I am treasonous saying that the military forces been USED to invade peacefull countries have been infiltrated at the very top , and that those forces are acting in their BORG like OBEY system of mind control to become none thinking murderers of innocent people , men , women and children .
That is treason is it?????
You certainly don't like hearing some good old apple pie truth do YOU??
Because all You have been indoctrinated via the nazi owned media is garbage.
gravitor...bet winner

You are really oversensitive. How is that a death threat? More importantly what peaeful countries have we invaded? We know you are trying to push our buttons you just don't know what they are.

Please stop trying to act like you know Americans. Apple pie truth??? Just speak like you do in the UK.

I know you will never get it its hard for a civilan to understand structure honor sacrafice like we have but we understand what it is to be a civvilian because whe have lived in both worllds.

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Occupying my chair right now as I eat this burrito. Does that count?

The soldiers that are fighting now are doing their duty as americans. Us who don't agree with them entirely and who aren't in the military service should go Protest or Occupy something, in other words you're saying we need to pick up the slack of the rest of those american soldiers who don't have the real guts to really fight for freedom and our liberties. Spoken like the Orwellian brotherhood wants, you sophist.

So why are you in your house and on the computer when you could be 'fighting for freedom and liberties?'

Fighting is not the answer...information is the weapon.

Unless the armed forces realise what is occuring and actually do what is their order.
To protect the PEOPLE of their country.
Not to be a bunch of mugs doing the murderous dictates of crazed zionist led nazi's who are looking to dominate the globe and possibly de populate it of PEOPLE.

The armed forces are the ones acting in a treacherous manner.
WE THE PEOPLE do not want any wars, get the hell out of the middle east and leave them to sort out their own affairs.

PLEASE.
gravitor

I agree with most there. You say Information, bu I say fighting with Fundamental Principles. One of the good threads on here recently about "Plato got it right 2400 years ago.." www.abovetopsecret.com... PLASIFISK the commie saying the UK doesn't fight in wars, doesn't know a major lot about the Middle East. The UK helped mitigrate how the modern crisis began, starting with the UK homosexual, T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia).

The guy who United the arab tribes, was a psychopath as well as a fudge packer (don't know if he did that out there).Today's troops playing butt tag out in the desert for the oil companies and following in the footsteps of the greatest player of that game world has ever known. ('Sides maybe Richard the Lionheart, I've heard some stories there).

You cannot fix the trans-atlantic system it is in economic collapse. Trying to think of the guy who had arguments with Queen Victoria of differences between Empire and State Kingdom. They hate babies, the empire and American forces being used over there by the Empire (in Lawrence of Arabia fashion); it's about allowing the trans-atlantic system to further disintegrate. And the baby boomer brainwashing to make us just "go along to get along, things will just work themselves out." The Boomer mentality fails time and time again.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by gravitor

 

Its not fear, its loyalty. And what you speak of is treason. If i could i would charge you gravitor with treason and call for the stiffest punishment. Death! But......

Your in the UK and are loyal to nothing.

Turn on my commander.......... Negative!

Your usefullness is questionable.

Ha Ha,
I have won a bet I had with Myself last night that a life threat would be made against Me on this thread.
Thats Your brainwashed logic turning Me into the enemy, exactly what I have been pushing towards revealing.
So I am treasonous saying that the military forces been USED to invade peacefull countries have been infiltrated at the very top , and that those forces are acting in their BORG like OBEY system of mind control to become none thinking murderers of innocent people , men , women and children .
That is treason is it?????
You certainly don't like hearing some good old apple pie truth do YOU??
Because all You have been indoctrinated via the nazi owned media is garbage.
gravitor...bet winner

You are really oversensitive. How is that a death threat? More importantly what peaeful countries have we invaded? We know you are trying to push our buttons you just don't know what they are.

Please stop trying to act like you know Americans. Apple pie truth??? Just speak like you do in the UK.

I know you will never get it its hard for a civilan to understand structure honor sacrafice like we have but we understand what it is to be a civvilian because whe have lived in both worllds.

edit on 23-11-2011 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

www.theconspiracyexplained.com...

It's all been carefully planned a long long time.
And the trainging mind control methods employed have been well honed.

The current military is acting against the PEOPLE, WAKE UP.
gravitor

reply to post by gravitor


I know you have a opinion but where is your proof?

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
reply to post by gravitor

 

Its not fear, its loyalty. And what you speak of is treason. If i could i would charge you gravitor with treason and call for the stiffest punishment. Death! But......

Your in the UK and are loyal to nothing.

Turn on my commander.......... Negative!

Your usefullness is questionable.

Ha Ha,
I have won a bet I had with Myself last night that a life threat would be made against Me on this thread.
Thats Your brainwashed logic turning Me into the enemy, exactly what I have been pushing towards revealing.
So I am treasonous saying that the military forces been USED to invade peacefull countries have been infiltrated at the very top , and that those forces are acting in their BORG like OBEY system of mind control to become none thinking murderers of innocent people , men , women and children .
That is treason is it?????
You certainly don't like hearing some good old apple pie truth do YOU??
Because all You have been indoctrinated via the nazi owned media is garbage.
gravitor...bet winner

You are really oversensitive. How is that a death threat? More importantly what peaeful countries have we invaded? We know you are trying to push our buttons you just don't know what they are.

Please stop trying to act like you know Americans. Apple pie truth??? Just speak like you do in the UK.

I know you will never get it its hard for a civilan to understand structure honor sacrafice like we have but we understand what it is to be a civvilian because whe have lived in both worllds.

edit on 23-11-2011 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

www.theconspiracyexplained.com...

It's all been carefully planned a long long time.
And the trainging mind control methods employed have been well honed.

The current military is acting against the PEOPLE, WAKE UP.
gravitor

Are you kidding me? That link is where you are geting your information? All this time you have been on to us fo believing what we have been told and here you are the worst of anyone doing that. We at least have real world experience and have seen things first hand. You are just a brainwashed conspiracy theorist that will believe anything the see on the internet.
Move out of whatever basement you are in and see the world. I feel sorry for you kid I really do.

Originally posted by Equidae
It's a waste because (imo) nothing has really changed in either country. It's despicable to see how certain people have gotten rich out of this mess. More people should read Smedley Butler's War Is A Racket (I quote it in my signature). It's been 80 years since it was published, and is still spot on. That's why I'm going to med school.

Raivan31
They distance themselves from anything 'Civvy' including friends and family that has always been there for them. They are institutionalised to believe that their new 'pack' cares more about them and understands them better then their old friends, the people that genuinely love them. They are wiped clean and reprogrammed to be a good little soldier that follows the bouncing ball and doesn't question the world around them. They are convinced into thinking that their new 'Family' is more real and stable then the one they left back in useless 'Civvy' land.

I know.

People at the top who get rich, will sink in the same boat as us in Civvyland (Maybe some think they have outsmarted it with underground bases, continuity of government, hide underground wait the whole thing out...we'll see.) They are in their death throws and so they will try every trick in the book. Look at the job situation nationwide, we aren't winning, whole economies in Europe are going under. Just like what happened in World War I, if they get that desperate, elites then there will be another world war. Then people like me won't have a choice, I will have to enlist or I will have to hide in a bunker, like a mouse and try to avoid death by mine or shrapnel.

The Shape of Things to Come by HG Wells is a propaganda book that was made to advocate the world state. War of the Worlds isn't just a movie. Basically a drone society of no freedom, this wasn't really a fiction book but what HG wells predicted would happen to countries. There would be no more nations independent thinking nations. People orchestrating a lot of this are psychopaths that is one thing I agree on with Alex Jones. What we percieve as what is left of sovereignty is on borrowed time (unless we have a revolution).

See that Raivan31 (a writer) began the Civvy discussion of Us Vs the bad military. Is he getting tasered now as we speak by military forces meant to suppress free thinking or is he officially done with this discussion? I see the military and civilians are starting to speak a little more cordially, pour salsa over all our lashing out we've gotten out of our system. I would like someone military or Civilian to tell me more about this Rex84, my friend told me about it and he was supposedly told about it from a Vet that he talked to here at the foreign legion.

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by MarkScheppy

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Occupying my chair right now as I eat this burrito. Does that count?

The soldiers that are fighting now are doing their duty as americans. Us who don't agree with them entirely and who aren't in the military service should go Protest or Occupy something, in other words you're saying we need to pick up the slack of the rest of those american soldiers who don't have the real guts to really fight for freedom and our liberties. Spoken like the Orwellian brotherhood wants, you sophist.

So why are you in your house and on the computer when you could be 'fighting for freedom and liberties?'

Fighting is not the answer...information is the weapon.

Unless the armed forces realise what is occuring and actually do what is their order.
To protect the PEOPLE of their country.
Not to be a bunch of mugs doing the murderous dictates of crazed zionist led nazi's who are looking to dominate the globe and possibly de populate it of PEOPLE.

The armed forces are the ones acting in a treacherous manner.
WE THE PEOPLE do not want any wars, get the hell out of the middle east and leave them to sort out their own affairs.

PLEASE.
gravitor

I agree with most there. You say Information, bu I say fighting with Fundamental Principles. One of the good threads on here recently about "Plato got it right 2400 years ago.." www.abovetopsecret.com... PLASIFISK the commie saying the UK doesn't fight in wars, doesn't know a major lot about the Middle East. The UK helped mitigrate how the modern crisis began, starting with the UK homosexual, T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia).

The guy who United the arab tribes, was a psychopath as well as a fudge packer (don't know if he did that out there).Today's troops playing butt tag out in the desert for the oil companies and following in the footsteps of the greatest player of that game world has ever known. ('Sides maybe Richard the Lionheart, I've heard some stories there).

You cannot fix the trans-atlantic system it is in economic collapse. Trying to think of the guy who had arguments with Queen Victoria of differences between Empire and State Kingdom. They hate babies, the empire and American forces being used over there by the Empire (in Lawrence of Arabia fashion); it's about allowing the trans-atlantic system to further disintegrate. And the baby boomer brainwashing to make us just "go along to get along, things will just work themselves out." The Boomer mentality fails time and time again.

edit on 23-11-2011 by MarkScheppy because: add

"PLASIFISK the commie saying the UK doesn't fight in wars, doesn't know a major lot about the Middle East"

Hey Mark,

When and where TF did I say the UK doesn't fight in wars? Please please pleasee.. point out where I said that DS! You and Gravitor are reaching for straws don't cha think?...hmmmmmmm.

COMMIE! tisk tisk

I'll be your hucklberry! ( a little American humor there)

In closing having been through the middle east a total of 6 years of my life. I think i'm more qualified to speak on it cultures and customs than you are. DS!

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That is the first I had heard of REX84 but I just looked it up and read it. To me it's no big deal its simply a contingency plan for if things go really bad. I am sure there are thousands of plans such as those the one I used to be interested in was the what if scenarios of a terrorist attack involving a nuclear weapon. REX84 may have a place in such a situation.

Try to remember the fatal flaw with many of these conspiracy theorys involving the use of American Soldiers against its own populace is that as soldiers we just wouldn't do it. It would go against the UCMJ and our oath to defend against forieghn and demestic. I remember some of us were playing cards one day and the subject came up. Not that exact subject but pretty close ( this was before 9/11) it was a what if conversation and I can tell you flat out if orders came down for us to turn on the civilian populace then we would switch sides along with our equipment. That wouldn't be necessay because there is a structure of laws and courts that we would simply remove those who issued those unlawfull orders.

ANG and all NG units can be called up by there individual states to help in emergency situations federal military it takes a pressidential order for them to act inside the U.S..

I originaly was active duty got out for a year then enlisted in the ANG spent 7 years in there and after 9-11 transfered back to active duty but I am now a civilian.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by MarkScheppy

 

That is the first I had heard of REX84 but I just looked it up and read it. To me it's no big deal its simply a contingency plan for if things go really bad. I am sure there are thousands of plans such as those the one I used to be interested in was the what if scenarios of a terrorist attack involving a nuclear weapon. REX84 may have a place in such a situation.

Try to remember the fatal flaw with many of these conspiracy theorys involving the use of American Soldiers against its own populace is that as soldiers we just wouldn't do it. It would go against the UCMJ and our oath to defend against forieghn and demestic. I remember some of us were playing cards one day and the subject came up. Not that exact subject but pretty close ( this was before 9/11) it was a what if conversation and I can tell you flat out if orders came down for us to turn on the civilian populace then we would switch sides along with our equipment. That wouldn't be necessay because there is a structure of laws and courts that we would simply remove those who issued those unlawfull orders.

ANG and all NG units can be called up by there individual states to help in emergency situations federal military it takes a pressidential order for them to act inside the U.S..

I originaly was active duty got out for a year then enlisted in the ANG spent 7 years in there and after 9-11 transfered back to active duty but I am now a civilian.

My battle buddies and I had that same conversation Grim.And as you stated, we would secure all of our vehicles, weapons, ammo, aircraft etc etc. and set up shop somewhere. Civilians and military together as one. Asking me to turn on civilians is like telling me to turn on my wife and kids! That would never happen, and hell have no equal to the lengths i would go through to protect them.

believe me when I say that!

Originally posted by PLASIFISK

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by MarkScheppy

 

That is the first I had heard of REX84 but I just looked it up and read it. To me it's no big deal its simply a contingency plan for if things go really bad. I am sure there are thousands of plans such as those the one I used to be interested in was the what if scenarios of a terrorist attack involving a nuclear weapon. REX84 may have a place in such a situation.

Try to remember the fatal flaw with many of these conspiracy theorys involving the use of American Soldiers against its own populace is that as soldiers we just wouldn't do it. It would go against the UCMJ and our oath to defend against forieghn and demestic. I remember some of us were playing cards one day and the subject came up. Not that exact subject but pretty close ( this was before 9/11) it was a what if conversation and I can tell you flat out if orders came down for us to turn on the civilian populace then we would switch sides along with our equipment. That wouldn't be necessay because there is a structure of laws and courts that we would simply remove those who issued those unlawfull orders.

ANG and all NG units can be called up by there individual states to help in emergency situations federal military it takes a pressidential order for them to act inside the U.S..

I originaly was active duty got out for a year then enlisted in the ANG spent 7 years in there and after 9-11 transfered back to active duty but I am now a civilian.

My battle buddies and I had that same conversation Grim.And as you stated, we would secure all of our vehicles, weapons, ammo, aircraft etc etc. and set up shop somewhere. Civilians and military together as one. Asking me to turn on civilians is like telling me to turn on my wife and kids! That would never happen, and hell have no equal to the lengths i would go through to protect them.

believe me when I say that!

I think people who have never been in the military forget we are citzens to and have bought into the hollywood movies to much. It seems like they have a fear of the unknown thing which if they just took a little more time to learn aout our culture and the laws we abide by wouln't be such alarmists. We are citizens that are held to a higher standard o f rules, regulations, and way of life.

We gave up a lot of rights when we joined but we never gave up or beliefs or opinions. LOL We just were not alowed to expree those opinions with cival dissobediance or quiting our jobs if we didn't like it. Be damned if I would have ever fired on our own population or anything like that. I never met a soldier that would either.

Before people start judging us I will ask you to first read the UCMJ and learn more about us, so many of the questions and scenarios we asked about on here are so far off that it amazes me. Stop reading the next conspiracy theory on how the govt plans to take over with the military and learn the rules we live by that make those scenarios impossible.

Thank You.

Speeking of Hollywood I am watching Fast Five from the fast and the furiouse movies it pretty good but I don't believe that the people can drive like that Its just make believe.