Military training and it's effect on humans

GRAVITOR,

What is your issue here. Obviously your rants and ill attempts to sway anybody hear to see things your way are not working.

So, in all fairness I will open the floor to you with four questions.

#1 Gravitor, what is your problem with soldiers?

#2 Gravitor, what legitimate proof can you provide that will show SOLDIERS making the decisions that run this world?

#3 Gravitor, what are YOU doing to change the world?

#4 Gravitor, what COUNTRY are you in?


I usually don't entertain simpletons but i'm feeling froggy today soooooo lets go with it!

thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
GRAVITOR,

What is your issue here. Obviously your rants and ill attempts to sway anybody hear to see things your way are not working.

So, in all fairness I will open the floor to you with four questions.

#1 Gravitor, what is your problem with soldiers?

#2 Gravitor, what legitimate proof can you provide that will show SOLDIERS making the decisions that run this world?

#3 Gravitor, what are YOU doing to change the world?

#4 Gravitor, what COUNTRY are you in?


I usually don't entertain simpletons but i'm feeling froggy today soooooo lets go with it!

This thread is about the effect on humans of military training, if You wish to start another thread relative to Your questions...feel free, whilst You can.
These troops were miltatarised into the blind obedience now been implemented.
www.youtube.com...

Your childish "SIMPLETON" reference should be kept in your schoolyard.
gravitor

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
thanks to all those who support the troops... those who don't.. shouldn't you be out protesting/occupying something?

I despise the troops who allow themselves to be USED by those who sit behind desks and pile up profit.
I would salute any of the armed forces who refuse to invade anothers country.
The forces should be for DEFENCE.

Stop killing innocent people.
Those who support the present occupations are brainwashed via their goggle boxs which the Germans invented and used to similer brainwashing.
gravitor

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circular logic is circular

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by gravitor

 

circular logic is circular

Left brained blind obedience to another is cowardice in the extreme.
To do that means giving up Your humanity and becoming a killing machine at the dictate of whatever luntic is handing out the orders.
The military training is geared to achieve this, and the troops are encouraged to become as one, a herd, a killing herd that defends the herd.
This is now been transferred to the police who are demonstrating the self same blind obedience .
The troops are not acting for the people, WE THE PEOPLE, neither are the police, they have been turned into a cult of a brotherhood.

The people of Germany supported the nazi's, threw flowers in their path.
I would hope that some people have learn't from such mistakes and can recognise what is occuring again.

gravitor

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I've never been asked NOR HAVE I HAD to kill children, women or puppies... I feel that your argument is irrelevant based on facts that.... well Most of the armed forces aren't trained to kill people who don't pose a threat

then again it couldn't be that easy could it??

reply to post by DrNotforhire


He is a troll don't let him bait you. He only has one flawed thing to say but many ways to say it .

Thanks for supporting our troops.

Originally posted by PLASIFISK
GRAVITOR,

What is your issue here. Obviously your rants and ill attempts to sway anybody hear to see things your way are not working.

So, in all fairness I will open the floor to you with four questions.

#1 Gravitor, what is your problem with soldiers?

#2 Gravitor, what legitimate proof can you provide that will show SOLDIERS making the decisions that run this world?

#3 Gravitor, what are YOU doing to change the world?

#4 Gravitor, what COUNTRY are you in?


I usually don't entertain simpletons but i'm feeling froggy today soooooo lets go with it!

I wish soldiers ran the world because then I would have been stationed at Kaneohe Bay instead of at a glorified swamp in North Carolina.

Originally posted by gravitor
www.youtube.com...

There is no difference between these german forces and those presently invading others countries.

gravitor

Every military that has ever been in existence have had enlistment swear ins, and they all pretty much touch on the same things. That would be saying there is a causal link by the German's use of helmets to mean that if you wore a helmet you would also commit war crimes?

Oy, vey.

hold up.. Nazi's had round heads... So do we... So are helmets.. .BAM circular logic literally complete

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by DrNotforhire

 

He is a troll don't let him bait you. He only has one flawed thing to say but many ways to say it .

Thanks for supporting our troops.

Thats YOUR biased opinion
gravitor

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
hold up.. Nazi's had round heads... So do we... So are helmets.. .BAM circular logic literally complete

Your logic is that of a biased view that is trying to defend what is indefensible.
You are therefore trying to divert the thread onto focussing upon Me.
You are the troll.

If You have a circuler head ,then it explains a lot/
gravitor

Originally posted by Equidae

Originally posted by gravitor
www.youtube.com...

There is no difference between these german forces and those presently invading others countries.

gravitor

Every military that has ever been in existence have had enlistment swear ins, and they all pretty much touch on the same things. That would be saying there is a causal link by the German's use of helmets to mean that if you wore a helmet you would also commit war crimes?

Oy, vey.

You are correct about the "Swear ins"
It is each human beings personal responsibility to remain human, those who become inhuman are those who are easily led, who need to be TOLD what to do.
This is commonly young men who are traumatised into becoming a slave , obeying without question.
It is not those who are the real animals, or better reptiles, it is those who organise all of this.

The current military is following in exactly the self same goose step tracks of the nazi's....figure out WHY.
gravitor

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by gravitor

 

circular logic is circular

Left brained blind obedience to another is cowardice in the extreme.
To do that means giving up Your humanity and becoming a killing machine at the dictate of whatever luntic is handing out the orders.
The military training is geared to achieve this, and the troops are encouraged to become as one, a herd, a killing herd that defends the herd.
This is now been transferred to the police who are demonstrating the self same blind obedience .
The troops are not acting for the people, WE THE PEOPLE, neither are the police, they have been turned into a cult of a brotherhood.

The people of Germany supported the nazi's, threw flowers in their path.
I would hope that some people have learn't from such mistakes and can recognise what is occuring again.

gravitor

edit on 21-11-2011 by gravitor because: (no reason given)

Just for you, gravitor:

The Sheepdogs

Most humans truly are like sheep
Wanting nothing more than peace to keep
To graze, grow fat and raise their young,
Sweet taste of clover on the tongue.
Their lives serene upon Life’s farm,
They sense no threat nor fear no harm.
On verdant meadows, they forage free
With naught to fear, with naught to flee.
They pay their sheepdogs little heed
For there is no threat; there is no need.

To the flock, sheepdog’s are mysteries,
Roaming watchful round the peripheries.
These fang-toothed creatures bark, they roar
With the fetid reek of the carnivore,
Too like the wolf of legends told,
To be amongst our docile fold.
Who needs sheepdogs? What good are they?
They have no use, not in this day.
Lock them away, out of our sight
We have no need of their fierce might.

But sudden in their midst a beast
Has come to kill, has come to feast
The wolves attack; they give no warning
Upon that calm September morning
They slash and kill with frenzied glee
Their passive helpless enemy
Who had no clue the wolves were there
Far roaming from their Eastern lair.
Then from the carnage, from the rout,
Comes the cry, “Turn the sheepdogs out!”

Thus is our nature but too our plight
To keep our dogs on leashes tight
And live a life of illusive bliss
Hearing not the beast, his growl, his hiss.
Until he has us by the throat,
We pay no heed; we take no note.
Not until he strikes us at our core
Will we unleash the Dogs of War
Only having felt the wolf pack’s wrath
Do we loose the sheepdogs on its path.

And the wolves will learn what we’ve shown before;
We love our sheep, we Dogs of War.

(you're the sheep, in case you missed it)

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by gravitor

 

circular logic is circular

Left brained blind obedience to another is cowardice in the extreme.
To do that means giving up Your humanity and becoming a killing machine at the dictate of whatever luntic is handing out the orders.
The military training is geared to achieve this, and the troops are encouraged to become as one, a herd, a killing herd that defends the herd.
This is now been transferred to the police who are demonstrating the self same blind obedience .
The troops are not acting for the people, WE THE PEOPLE, neither are the police, they have been turned into a cult of a brotherhood.

The people of Germany supported the nazi's, threw flowers in their path.
I would hope that some people have learn't from such mistakes and can recognise what is occuring again.

gravitor

edit on 21-11-2011 by gravitor because: (no reason given)

Just for you, gravitor:

The Sheepdogs

Most humans truly are like sheep
Wanting nothing more than peace to keep
To graze, grow fat and raise their young,
Sweet taste of clover on the tongue.
Their lives serene upon Life’s farm,
They sense no threat nor fear no harm.
On verdant meadows, they forage free
With naught to fear, with naught to flee.
They pay their sheepdogs little heed
For there is no threat; there is no need.

To the flock, sheepdog’s are mysteries,
Roaming watchful round the peripheries.
These fang-toothed creatures bark, they roar
With the fetid reek of the carnivore,
Too like the wolf of legends told,
To be amongst our docile fold.
Who needs sheepdogs? What good are they?
They have no use, not in this day.
Lock them away, out of our sight
We have no need of their fierce might.

But sudden in their midst a beast
Has come to kill, has come to feast
The wolves attack; they give no warning
Upon that calm September morning
They slash and kill with frenzied glee
Their passive helpless enemy
Who had no clue the wolves were there
Far roaming from their Eastern lair.
Then from the carnage, from the rout,
Comes the cry, “Turn the sheepdogs out!”

Thus is our nature but too our plight
To keep our dogs on leashes tight
And live a life of illusive bliss
Hearing not the beast, his growl, his hiss.
Until he has us by the throat,
We pay no heed; we take no note.
Not until he strikes us at our core
Will we unleash the Dogs of War
Only having felt the wolf pack’s wrath
Do we loose the sheepdogs on its path.

And the wolves will learn what we’ve shown before;
We love our sheep, we Dogs of War.

(you're the sheep, in case you missed it)

edit on 21-11-2011 by tangonine because: (no reason given)

That is really good who wrote it.

reply to post by tangonine



One flaw Tangonine...there's no big bad wolf at My door, or anyone elses.
And Your post demonstrates Your mentality of indoctrination into seeing big bad wolves under every bed, just as it used to be reds under every bed fifty years ago.
It's nonesense and invented to create a fictional big bad wolf.

The soldiers are told there is an enemy, therefore there must be an enemy.
They are told they are been attacked by an enemy ,so they must fight this enemy.
They therefore create an enemy by killing lots of innocent people, thus a cycle of hatred is created by those who are tasked and paid to do this, and they are very practised at this disception.

gravitor

Originally posted by gravitor
reply to post by tangonine

 

One flaw Tangonine...there's no big bad wolf at My door, or anyone elses.
And Your post demonstrates Your mentality of indoctrination into seeing big bad wolves under every bed, just as it used to be reds under every bed fifty years ago.
It's nonesense and invented to create a fictional big bad wolf.

The soldiers are told there is an enemy, therefore there must be an enemy.
They are told they are been attacked by an enemy ,so they must fight this enemy.
They therefore create an enemy by killing lots of innocent people, thus a cycle of hatred is created by those who are tasked and paid to do this, and they are very practised at this disception.

gravitor

This is why I won't be voting for Ron Paul

Originally posted by DrNotforhire

Originally posted by gravitor
reply to post by tangonine

 

One flaw Tangonine...there's no big bad wolf at My door, or anyone elses.
And Your post demonstrates Your mentality of indoctrination into seeing big bad wolves under every bed, just as it used to be reds under every bed fifty years ago.
It's nonesense and invented to create a fictional big bad wolf.

The soldiers are told there is an enemy, therefore there must be an enemy.
They are told they are been attacked by an enemy ,so they must fight this enemy.
They therefore create an enemy by killing lots of innocent people, thus a cycle of hatred is created by those who are tasked and paid to do this, and they are very practised at this disception.

gravitor

This is why I won't be voting for Ron Paul

Amen to that. I do like some of Ron Paul's talking points and his record of being consistant but he has a sheep mentality. This election just like the last one will be hard for me.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by tangonine

Originally posted by gravitor

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by gravitor

 

circular logic is circular

Left brained blind obedience to another is cowardice in the extreme.
To do that means giving up Your humanity and becoming a killing machine at the dictate of whatever luntic is handing out the orders.
The military training is geared to achieve this, and the troops are encouraged to become as one, a herd, a killing herd that defends the herd.
This is now been transferred to the police who are demonstrating the self same blind obedience .
The troops are not acting for the people, WE THE PEOPLE, neither are the police, they have been turned into a cult of a brotherhood.

The people of Germany supported the nazi's, threw flowers in their path.
I would hope that some people have learn't from such mistakes and can recognise what is occuring again.

gravitor

edit on 21-11-2011 by gravitor because: (no reason given)

Just for you, gravitor:

The Sheepdogs

Most humans truly are like sheep
Wanting nothing more than peace to keep
To graze, grow fat and raise their young,
Sweet taste of clover on the tongue.
Their lives serene upon Life’s farm,
They sense no threat nor fear no harm.
On verdant meadows, they forage free
With naught to fear, with naught to flee.
They pay their sheepdogs little heed
For there is no threat; there is no need.

To the flock, sheepdog’s are mysteries,
Roaming watchful round the peripheries.
These fang-toothed creatures bark, they roar
With the fetid reek of the carnivore,
Too like the wolf of legends told,
To be amongst our docile fold.
Who needs sheepdogs? What good are they?
They have no use, not in this day.
Lock them away, out of our sight
We have no need of their fierce might.

But sudden in their midst a beast
Has come to kill, has come to feast
The wolves attack; they give no warning
Upon that calm September morning
They slash and kill with frenzied glee
Their passive helpless enemy
Who had no clue the wolves were there
Far roaming from their Eastern lair.
Then from the carnage, from the rout,
Comes the cry, “Turn the sheepdogs out!”

Thus is our nature but too our plight
To keep our dogs on leashes tight
And live a life of illusive bliss
Hearing not the beast, his growl, his hiss.
Until he has us by the throat,
We pay no heed; we take no note.
Not until he strikes us at our core
Will we unleash the Dogs of War
Only having felt the wolf pack’s wrath
Do we loose the sheepdogs on its path.

And the wolves will learn what we’ve shown before;
We love our sheep, we Dogs of War.

(you're the sheep, in case you missed it)

edit on 21-11-2011 by tangonine because: (no reason given)

That is really good who wrote it.

A big bad wolf, wrapped up in sheeps clothing.
gravitor