Mass. School district to close tuesday for ISLAMIC holiday?!

If kids are the same as they are when I was a kid I don't they care how they get a day off school just that they get one lol

First off .. The US is NOT a Democrapic nation ... it is a REPUBLIC. No where in the constitution does it say our country is a "Democratic" nation.

Second .. it seems these days that it is okay to demonize true blood Americans for not wanting our country turning into something it is not. Would you like someone coming into your house and demanding you change the rules of the house to suit their need?!

Third, we have traitors and terrorists in the government. You all know how those kinds of people are dealt with.

Using my 1st amendment rights ... # Islam and anyone who claims Islam. Funny they say they aren't a religion of hate and death .. And every time you turn around the person that bombed innocent lives etc.. was an Islamic nut bag

put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Originally posted by relpobre000
reply to post by TigaHawk

 

Islam has been in the United States of America since the country was formed. So your idea that it's a new movement brought here by immigration is moot. Your indignation at the religious freedom granted to the Muslims is amusing. Apparently religious freedom is only applicable if you're a Christian?

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Actualy an athiest, and an aussie. I'm sure there's been multiple people from different countries present in countries other than their home country - in every palce around the world thruout history. That doesnt mean China celebrates Australia day, nor Australia celebrates the 4th of July.

We do have celebrations over here for chinese new year, and the festival of colors, which i might add are a beautifull sight to see - but the point is - our government has not made them a public day off for the entire nation. Nor would it allow public schools to start taking holidays at a whim or want to celebrate XYZ thing.


Countries celebrate and take day's off on days that matter, and were of historic purpose for that indivudal country, for something that happend in the past that made that country what it is today.


I am not saying for people not to celebrate other countries's/religions "events" or whatever you wish to call them - im just saying there is no reason for a forign country to adopt another country's, holiday's, for any reason, wether it be religious or directly related to a point in histroy for another country.

IE - Alot of countries celebrate Christmas with a holiday. Alot of countries have a different holiday, at a different point in the year to celebrate their version instead.


My..... great displeasure...... with the USA getting an Islamic holiday is - because i am passionate about preserving stuff thats relevant to you and you're country's interests.

IE, Australia is a multicultural country - we have alot more cultural diversity than the rest of the world, which is good, but at the same time its bad. It's bad because the image of what an Australian is, well, do you even know what it is? Please dont say an outback farmer with a kangaroo, as at the current rate of buyouts/people getting kicked off their property for forign investment companies to start mining is incredible. We've become an open feeding frenzy for anyone who can step in. And noone wants to be an Autralian, the want to bring whatever laws, beliefs, and their entire way of life from their home country bought into and enstated as law over here.


Now you have the chinese doing this, you have the indians doing this, you have the lebanese doing this, its to the point of turf wars and people from one country flockign to a specific location within australia. There are parts where you'd drive around and you woudl swear you're in china - every shop name is in chinese, you go in and inquire about a product and they shake their head at you and wave their hands at you and go sorry no english. The point is - again - people are immigrating over and trying to setup and live exactly how they were in their home country, with no intention whatsoever of learning about the country the moved into and being an active part of the society in general.


Parliment gets requests constantly for religious holiday's specific to X type of people - all the time - but they're knocked back.


America - by allowing the islamic holiday to be a national day off - is the next step. I say this because of whats going on over here.


It is incredibly hard not to come across as Racist or whatever it is you'd class as someone whom hates every religion other than their own, but from my point of view, where is the line?

How do you preserve things relevant and significant to you're country - which are suposed to have meaning - when everyone and anyone can come in and put up a holiday for something that 90% of the populace doesnt know about, understand nor care about?

You may not currently care if others want to bring in stuff that has nothing to do with them or their country's, but for someone who is seeing their country being assimilated by god knows how many other cultures and religions, i thought i'd try and point out to you what's happening so maybe you could, oh i dont know, voice concerns beore it gets to the point how it is here right now?

heh.

reply to post by relpobre000


You seem to be referring to "God" the same way as the religious scriptures, this is what leads most people away from "God." All of the "my god is more powerful than your god" is what leads people away from the idea of life after death, along with that whole mindset. "God" is life, existence, ceation. A universal consciousness, if you will. Only my two cents though. Although the existence of life after death hasn't been "proven", there is much science has not proven, doesn't mean it does not exist. Our miniscule planet and it's inhabitants cannot believe that because our Science has not proven something, it does not exist, can it? Or because we can't see something it doesn't exist? There is much, too much evidence showing there is a very high possibility we exist in another form after our body's demise. Matter/Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change from one form to the next. We are Energy, that is what we are and that is what everything is, energy. Just all my take, food for thought I guess.

As for the story, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I could see it being a big deal if an Islamic flag was flying above the White House, but aside from that it's not something to freak out over. Just like other's have pointed out, we take off for other religious holiday's, and there are many Muslim Americans who call this country home. When I was a kid, if I got a day off I really would not care too much on the reason, it was a day off from school. This is only a school district in Massachussetts, which according to the article the majority are Muslim. I do believe that the ones that come to our country should respect what our country is and what it stands for, in a sense that they don't want to see an Islamic flag one day flying over the White House such as Anjem Choudary has stated.

reply to post by sageofmonticello

duh... Whatever happened to everyone saying the "separation of church(mosque) and state". I don't follow a book, but isn't the same thing, everytime they say the pledge... really sage u most be a supporter of this.

reply to post by LeoStarchild

Second .. it seems these days that it is okay to demonize true blood Americans for not wanting our country turning into something it is not. Would you like someone coming into your house and demanding you change the rules of the house to suit their need?!

Seriously? Did you not have history lessons at school? That is exactly what happened to the Native Americans, not to mention countless foreign countries too.

Using my 1st amendment rights ... # Islam and anyone who claims Islam. Funny they say they aren't a religion of hate and death .. And every time you turn around the person that bombed innocent lives etc.. was an Islamic nut bag

And I suppose you think every time someone gets shot, the shooter is black? Speak in facts, not prejudiced rhetoric.

reply to post by knightrider078


the point is why they got the day off.. Is this going to happen every year? it might.... but then why do they get CHRISTmas off... explain that one to me... Church v State can go on and on. But you can not just pull kids from school b/c it is pc to do so, what about the jewish holidays and the wickens (spelling). There has to be a stop somewhere and introducing more crap doesn't help, no offefinse to the day in question. I say that in 2 days in BM day and every child should get the dayoff to dominate one.

reply to post by AllUrChips


I am embarrassed to live in this state.

Originally posted by TigaHawk

My..... great displeasure...... with the USA getting an Islamic holiday is - because i am passionate about preserving stuff thats relevant to you and you're country's interests.

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Thank you for your concern about the United States but first, and foremost, we are passionate about preserving freedom. The freedom to exercise any religion (or not) is incredibly relevant to me as well as my country's interest.

What Australia does is of no concern to America. You repeatedly state that a country has no need to adopt another country's beliefs but, as I've stated a dozen times before, Islam isn't a tradition tied to a certain country.

Islam is a religion the same as Christianity is a religion. It migrated here just the same as well and its practice should be protected every bit as fiercely as Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism etc. .
Your ideas about preserving a culture in America are pointless-- we are a bastard culture, thrown in the pot and shaken. I happen to think it's a wonderful thing as it (theoretically) allows us to come at things from different angles.

reply to post by arollingstone


Really arollingstone.. post a fact that a bombing with the last year was not a jihad blast. No not every who shots someone is black. But pull your head out of your ass. If this was England we could just say the IRA.... Yes i am speaking in generality, but until you say a suicide bombing somewhere is not jihad, your cred is crap.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. For starters I'm tolerant and capable of living in peace and harmony with anyone who doesn't affect the way I was raised and have been living for the past 40 years.

While there may be many innocent people trying to live a better life this is nothing more than a modern day crusade and slowly calculated takeover, perpetrated under the guise of religous freedom. This isn't just islam but all religions, races and cultures. this country is slowly turning into a 3rd world nation.

A slowly, calculated plan under false pretenses.

Originally posted by Revealation
I've said it once and I'll say it again. For starters I'm tolerant and capable of living in peace and harmony with anyone who doesn't affect the way I was raised and have been living for the past 40 years.

While there may be many innocent people trying to live a better life this is nothing more than a modern day crusade and slowly calculated takeover, perpetrated under the guise of religous freedom. This isn't just islam but all religions, races and cultures. this country is slowly turning into a 3rd world nation.

A slowly, calculated plan under false pretenses.

So true, coming from a "non-believer". Lets just F everything so no like each other and then we will get rebellion and then . The killing fields are awaiting.

I just think most kids in mass wont care about getting another day or two off. school

Using my 1st amendment rights ... # Islam and anyone who claims Islam. Funny they say they aren't a religion of hate and death .. And every time you turn around the person that bombed innocent lives etc.. was an Islamic nut bag

And I suppose you think every time someone gets shot, the shooter is black? Speak in facts, not prejudiced rhetoric.

Well.. I didn't say anything about black shooters. Terrorist attacks ARE carried out by Islam. Your correlation of black gunmen to my statement makes no sense.

So your attempt to demonize me is a failed attempt...your liberal is showing.

With that being said... Islam IS a religion of Hate and intolerance for others that don't abide.

reply to post by knightrider078


the kids don't rule the "world". It is only the first step. A level of complacently may help or hurt, depending on your view point. You cannot include every holiday, why not just well enough alone. it is already "holiday break" and " spring break".

reply to post by Nosred


Actually no it's not because the one's that did those things were ignorant about scripture. Just as you seem to be. I can't really blame you for where you're coming from. As Jesus the Christ and neither His apostles ever teach violence. The same cannot be said for Islam. Islam was spread by the sword and those that wouldn't accept it had to pay a tax. It's a crime to convert to Christianity in Islam.

It's a crime to insult any of the prophets. Jesus Christ forgave those that nailed him on a cross but in Islam revenge killing is ok. Faith is given to us from God. Did you know that? Any true Christian is a Christian because the Holy Spirit has changed & transformed that person. We do not develop a faith on our own. It is given. Our salvation is not by works. In Islam your salvation is by works.

Christianity does not seek overthrow of government, Islam does. Christians were burned at the stake for translating the Bible into English by the Roman Catholic Church. But that's because the church had been infiltrated by those not really of Jesus Christ. In the Holy Bible we also read of people that crept in and brought deceiving doctrines and read of people that had been part of the church, that had left the church so that they would be make a name for themselves instead of following the truth.

Islam is nothing like Christianity. Where Jesus Christ fulfilled the law and set man free from the bondage of sin, Islam brings man under a law of man masquerading as law from God. Removing the cross, removing the divinity of Jesus, removing original sin. Removing salvation. Those that follow Islam are deceived and only Christ can free them.

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by Ihsahn

 

Here in the Bible belt where I live, the schools do not allow us to say "Christmas Vacation" anymore, instead it is winter break. So why can they celebrate "Slaughter Day"? I find that word and its practices deeply grotesque, potentially dangerous and offensive.

What has happened to our country when Christmas is a big no go but Slaughter day is welcome?

It's not called "Slaughter Day", it's called "The Festival of Sacrifice". That is the literal and actual non bigoted translation.
I don't know where you have pulled that "Slaughter Day" title from, but if i had to take a guess, i'd say you pulled it from your hate filled rear end.

Originally posted by ollncasino
A better analogy would be that Chinese, Burmese amd Laos citizens are not allowed to vote in the USA because American citizens are not allowed to vote in China, Burma or Loas.

Such a sensible idea that that is in fact how it works

So, now Muslims aren't American citizens?

I'm not sure that's correct...

Originally posted by LeoStarchild

Using my 1st amendment rights ... # Islam and anyone who claims Islam. Funny they say they aren't a religion of hate and death .. And every time you turn around the person that bombed innocent lives etc.. was an Islamic nut bag

put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Timothy McVeigh - Christian
Eric Rudolph - Christian
Ted Kaczynski - Luddite

....

Seems like every time you turn around in America the person that bombed innocent people was a Christian nut bag. And that is just the bombings.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Smoke it hard.

Originally posted by Carseller4

Originally posted by sageofmonticello
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

This doesn't bother me.

Not even a little bit. What is wrong with observing a Muslim holiday? It is not like this was issued federally.
This is the result of a local democratic process. This locality decided they wanted to do this, it is legal.

This is BS and you know it. If a decision on having a prayer in school, or before a football game, was made locally, using the democratic process, the ACLU would be all over it.

The ACLU has sued school districts for much less than this.

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So why isn't the ACLU suing the school?

Maybe because the facts are actually different?

Closing a school so people can observe religious and other activities in their private homes is distinct and different from the school itself actively doing something religious in school hours or activities.