Mass. School district to close tuesday for ISLAMIC holiday?!

The realities of the Religion of peace can only be found in the EU where they have managed to get into the UK and many other countries laws.

Unless the Islamic groups grow to become financially able to buy whores in congress to rule in their favor here in the US, their Islamic laws can never compete with American laws, America can not have two constitutions to allow Islam laws

Islam laws can not function without Sharia laws, and anybody that comes here and tells that they are Muslim and that they don't follow sharia under Islam laws are lying to through their teeths.

The fact of what is happening with the so call "moderate Islam" is not far than taking a hard look at the EU situation and Islam infiltration.

Wake up people this is coming near us in the very future.

Originally posted by the4thhorseman
No I will not give you a break. There are no differences in the Qur'an. Newer laws over rule the older laws why is hard to believe the same for Christianity? The difference is the law never changes concerning the dealings with Jews and Christians.

I ask you what makes a law Christian. Our laws most of them anyway all stem from the building blocks found in the bible. Do not get confused with the laws of God and Christianity

So if you live in the US you are already subject to laws built upon the laws of God and Christianity. Do I believe everyone should be a Christian? That is not up to me to decide, we are all given freewill from God to follow Him or not. He would like all of us to follow Him but He knows that not all of us will.

IF there is no afterlife then I have lost nothing, I have had a good life. If I am right I have gained everything and those who choose not to believe will have lost everything.

If you ask why would God create non-believers? God uses all men both holy and unholy to accomplish His will.

I humbly display to you, good sir:

Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. —Qur'an, sura 2 (Al-Baqarah), ayat 62

And dispute not with the People of the Book, except with means better than mere disputation, unless I be with those of them who inflict wrong and injury, but say to them: "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is one; and it is to Him that we bow." (Quran 29:46)

"This is a message written by Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, far and near, we are behind them. Verily, I defend them by myself, the servants, the helpers, and my followers, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be changed from their jobs, nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they (Christians) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, this is not to take place without her own wish. She is not to be prevented from going to her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation is to disobey this covenant till the Day of Judgment and the end of the world.”
- A message from the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, to the monks at Mount Sinai

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error (Quran 2:256) and (Quran 18:29)

So, you know, basically the same situation the bible finds itself in.

reply to post by Nosred


Christians never stoned anyone. That is never taught by Jesus or the apostles. You're confused with the Old Testament that applied to JEWS only.

reply to post by RedGod


You're exactly what I said you are and I'm not about to do the homework for you. Everything I told you is fact and if you even care about what truth is, you can go do your own research. That's how we learn after all. By doing our own research. Unless you're one of those that just listen to what people say and take it at face value.

Praying at the desk by the way is not the same and you know it. You and those like you are seriously headed south. I wonder if you really care about any thing.

Secularism and sharia law

Sharia laws under Islam are known to take over courts in the EU, causing violations of Human rights under the laws established in the EU, all in the name of freedom of religion.

Despite problems such as those we have set out, opinion formers in legal, religious and academic circles seem intent on promoting the growth of sharia, and on belittling the dangers to the vulnerable and of sharia’s expansion into criminal law. We remain disturbed at the number of establishment figures that seem content to promote Sharia as an alternative to democratically-determined and human rights compliant national and community law. Their motives are not clear: is it ignorance?; do they believe supporting sharia is supporting an oppressed minority, is it an attempt to chase votes or some other, perhaps misplaced, motives?
This is an area which demands urgent and thorough study as there is currently much secrecy; it is impossible to know how many hidden sharia courts and tribunals are being held. The first steps should include:

a) Studies to establish the extent of sharia courts and tribunals and examine the way they operate.
b) An information campaign is needed to reach out to women and inform them of their (secular) legal rights, especially in family and inheritance law matters – in conjunction with legislative reform).

We accept that a balance needs to be struck between religious freedoms and the Human Rights of those subjected to sharia. The Canadian province of Ontario, was faced with such a problem and has now outlawed all religious courts[20].

politicsreligion.eu...

Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by Nosred

 

Christians never stoned anyone. That is never taught by Jesus or the apostles. You're confused with the Old Testament that applied to JEWS only.

Whatever then, it's the same as believing that Jews still stone people for adultery and wearing polyester.


Edit: Or it's the same as believing that Christians still burn people at the stake for being "witches", or that Christians still torture and kill people for belonging to a different sect of Christianity than they do.

reply to post by AllUrChips


What the Heck does a freakin' holiday have to do with Sharia Law? Or for that matter what the heck did the trailer you saw have anything to do with it?!?! If it's the same trailer I saw, then it was pretty obvious that it didn't have anything at all to do with extremist Muslim's or Sharia law. Do you just automatically see evidence of Sharia Law whenever the word 'Muslim' or 'Islam' is used?!?!

Originally posted by marg6043
The fact of what is happening with the so call "moderate Islam" is not far than taking a hard look at the EU situation and Islam infiltration.

Wake up people this is coming near us in the very future.

Dr Taj Hargey: The Muslim cleric who blames British mosques for the 7/7 bombings, says multiculturalism is a disaster and would throw Islamic fanatics out

Dr Hargey has little doubt who, and what, is truly to blame for unleashing such terrorism on our (UK) streets.

'It is the extremist ideology present in many UK mosques which is the cement behind nihilistic plots such as this,' he says. 'They are twisting Islam.'

www.dailymail.co.uk... anatics-out.html

So it appear that the British Muslim cleric Dr Taj Hargey is in accord with Chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America in claiming that much extremism exists in Mosques in the West.

80% of Mosques have been infiltrated by extremists according to the Chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America

“1999, the Naqshbandi Sufi Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani testified before a State Department hearing.'

www.huffingtonpost.com...

www.hudson.org...

We can't deal with Islamic extremists if we pretend they don't exist.

We need moderate Muslims like My.mind.is.mine to help combat extremist Muslims.

Originally posted by HomerinNC
They close schools for Christian and Jewish holidays, why not Islamic?

christmas celebrates the birth of christ but was originally, a pagan holiday (and still is). So you should amend that statement to say, "They close schools for Christian, Jewish and Pagan holidays, why not islamic?"

Originally posted by soaringhawk
reply to post by RedGod

 

You're exactly what I said you are and I'm not about to do the homework for you. Everything I told you is fact and if you even care about what truth is, you can go do your own research. That's how we learn after all. By doing our own research. Unless you're one of those that just listen to what people say and take it at face value.

Praying at the desk by the way is not the same and you know it. You and those like you are seriously headed south. I wonder if you really care about any thing.

edit on 8-11-2011 by soaringhawk because: (no reason given)

Well, according to multiple sources, the claim that students were forced to practice Islam is......wait for iiiiiiiiiiit......blown out of proportion. It was a cultural class. Nothing more. No forced prayers to Allah the most merciful. No shoving girl students into burqahs. Etc. So there goes that bit of "fact".

And you're right, quiet prayer is a lot different than leading a large group of religiously diverse individuals in a prayer to one deity. I'm glad you have the capacity to recognize that. If only you had the capacity to apply reason to your "facts", and think them through to provide evidence or even explanation instead of just regurgitating every chain letter you read and hate-filled speech you are given by a soap-box minister or TV holy man, one might be able to take you seriously.

Namaste, brother.

reply to post by ollncasino


Is a very thin line between "Extremist and moderate" while I believe that some Muslim migrate out of their nations looking for better life they can not ignore their Islamic upbringing, they can not ignore the Islamic laws and they can not turn against their own religion.

The base of the Islam is their laws without them it would not be Islam.

That is why I can not believe in so call moderates, as they would be considered Hypocrites under their own laws.

You either a Muslim that follow Islam law or you are not Muslim at all.

Both can not be separated.

For all the left wing pacifists (see the UK) why not go to Saudi Arabia and see how far you get adding a Christian holiday before you loose your head.

Sharia Law is the goal. You will never get the inch back you give, they go crazy. They inch towards the goal.

Buy it or lump it.

Originally posted by marg6043
Is a very thin line between "Extremist and moderate"

To be fair, most Muslims don't take Islam very seriously or even know very much about it.

What is worrying however is how reticent moderate Muslims are at moderating their own extremists. Or even admitting that they exist.

For whatever reason, American Muslim organisations such as the ISNA, CAIR and MPAC, try to deny the connection between "political Islam," or Islamism, and terror.

www.nypost.com...

Let's put things into perspective

97% of Jihad Passages are Violent

www.answering-islam.org...

24% of the Median Koran is about Jihad, while 21% of the Hadiths are. 67% of the Sira is about Jihad.

So at least 20% of the Koran is pure violent Jihad. Not very peaceful.

Muhammad himself fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations.

www.historynet.com...

Originally posted by lnfidel
For all the left wing pacifists (see the UK) why not go to Saudi Arabia and see how far you get adding a Christian holiday before you loose your head.

Worst. Argument. Ever.

For a start, people in the UK aren't ''left wing pacifists''. Get a grip, and learn some history.

Next, the argument about Saudi Arabia ( an autocratic, theocratic and asswardback country ) not allowing the celebration of Christian holidays, as if it has any relevance to laws and procedures in other countries, is the most pathetic ''argument'' that is ever trotted out by the Islamophobes.

That's as idiotic as suggesting that Asian-Americans shouldn't be allowed the vote, because China and Burma don't have elections.

The ''Saudi Arabia fallacy'' is ignorant, prejudiced and extremely hillbillyish.

Have a word with yourself.

Reply to post by ollncasino

Meh, where is the outrage about extremist christians who go around blowing up abortion clinics, gay and lesbian clubs, etc...


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Originally posted by ollncasino
To be fair, most Muslims don't take Islam very seriously or even know very much about it.

Those are not be fear, because they are not truly Muslim as like I said you can not be a Muslim and not follow the Islam laws or if converted later in life embrace the religion fully, is not middle ground.

I may agree that some Americans born converted into Islam in the US may fall in that category, but they are not embraced in the Islamic brotherhood.

Originally posted by ollncasino
What is worrying however is how reticent moderate Muslims are at moderating their own extremists.

Er... no. There is absolutely no onus on moderate Muslims to distance themselves from loud-mouthed extremists, just as there is no need for moderate Christians to apologise for the beliefs of their fundamentalist extremists.

If people are too stupid to differentiate between reasonable and unreasonable members of a particular religion, then why should the burden lie with the moderates of the religion to explain something that is pretty self-evident ?

People need to stop expecting to have their hand held throughout life.

Moderate Christians have absolutely no need to publicly decry the actions of Fred Phelps or the ''Lord's Resistance Army'' in Uganda, so why are the goalposts moved when normal Muslims are concerned ?

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


He was wrong in only one thing, Saudi is the last feudal monarchy but their human rights violations are embraced and ignore by the west because they are allies to the fat rats in the oil industry in US.

How can people forget so easily Saudi Arabia been the majority of 9/11 recruiters.

I see there is a serious concern among some that there is a muslim conspiracy to enforce sharia on western systems and god knows what else. You all give the muslims far too much credit. I have yet to meet a muslim organization to even be organised in the most basic of principles. Pardon the pun but the brothers couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. It shocks me when I read some highly intellectual posters with outlandish claims of muslims, when the reality is muslims are clearly not capable. Local councils for example are so used to seeing disunity among muslims and monumental mess ups of all they do. So when they come along with a workable idea its almost refreshing.

Originally posted by AllUrChips
reply to post by sageofmonticello

 

Who said I dont like them? I dont agree with them trying to establish their countries beliefs in MY COUNTRY. Yes I sais MY country.

Wasn't Christianity established in YOUR country also? If I recall history correctly, Christianity was not an original religion to America.