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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Did you mean they are breaking the paradigm of Capitalism? Because what they are really doing is invoking the OLD paradigm of Marxist Socialism.
I do like your poetic description of Terra as a sapphire though.edit on 6-11-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AnotherSon
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, I mean a paradigm beyond the limitation of such institutions as politics.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, I mean a paradigm beyond the limitation of such institutions as politics.
Oh, so that is why they are calling for Direct Democracy and an end to Capitalism? Ok, I've been edumacated...
When Frater said you fit the profile I outlined, I think maybe he's referring to the fact you sort of fly all over the place and don't really seem to have a handle on where you're going. Take for instance, "Marxist socialism?" You're just jamming two words together senselessly and hoping that it comes out looking double plus ungood.
This article is about socialism as a historical evolutionary stage of development in Marxist theory. For the broad concept of socialism as an economic system, see Socialism.
For the Marxist perspective of socialism as a basis for understanding social and economic development, see Scientific socialism.
In Marxist theory, socialism, or the socialist mode of production, refers to a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that eventually supersede capitalism. Socialism is a mode of production where criteria for economic activity is use-value and direct production for use through conscious economic planning, where monetary relations in the form of exchange-value and wage labor become irrelevant. Socialism is characterized by the working-class's effectively controlling the means of production and the means of their livelihood either through cooperative enterprises or public ownership (with the state being re-organized under socialism) and self management.[1]
In Marxist theory, the state is a mechanism dominated by and utilized in the interests of the ruling class to subjugate other classes, to legitimize the existing socio-economic system and to promote the interests of the dominant class.[7] After a workers' revolution, the state initially becomes the instrument of the working class. Conquest of the state apparatus by the working class must take place to establish a socialist system. As socialism is built, the role and scope of the state changes as class distinctions (based on ownership of the means of production) gradually deteriorate due to the concentration of means of production in state hands. From the point where all means of production become state property,
Originally posted by AnotherSon
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, I mean a paradigm beyond the limitation of such institutions as politics.
Oh, so that is why they are calling for Direct Democracy and an end to Capitalism? Ok, I've been edumacated...
At first you will be frightened but eventually you will own yourself. The realization that no one needs to be seated in some positional hierarchy that determines what you do or how you do it.
Originally posted by AnotherSon
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, I mean a paradigm beyond the limitation of such institutions as politics.
Oh, so that is why they are calling for Direct Democracy and an end to Capitalism? Ok, I've been edumacated...
At first you will be frightened but eventually you will own yourself. The realization that no one needs to be seated in some positional hierarchy that determines what you do or how you do it.
Originally posted by elvaanseifer
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
Oh cool you replied, then maybe I can try again to ask you my original question. Why don't you think OWS won't support Ron Paul? At least in the primary? He seems to be in line with many of their ideas.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, I mean a paradigm beyond the limitation of such institutions as politics.
Oh, so that is why they are calling for Direct Democracy and an end to Capitalism? Ok, I've been edumacated...
At first you will be frightened but eventually you will own yourself. The realization that no one needs to be seated in some positional hierarchy that determines what you do or how you do it.
Seriously, anyone who is not frightened by what Soros and his merry band of Robin Hoods are offering needs a thump on the head, and some serious schooling on socialist theory plus a bit of history reflecting the failure of a Statist centrally planned economy.
( 1 ) The central concepts of Marxist philosophy may be seen as scientific socialism, dialectics, materialism (divided into dialectical and historical materialism), and the blending of structure and action. There are other ways of analysing the components of Marxist philosophy, but that is the approach proposed here.
Marx acknowledges the contribution to his own scientific socialism of the philosophy of Hegel, the economics of Ricardo and the utopian socialism of Fourier, St Simon, Owen and others. He saw utopian socialism as idealistic, not in the popular sense of unselfish thought and action in the service of a better society, but in the sense of an ideal society projected into the future and unconnected with existing social trends.
Originally posted by AnotherSon
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, I mean a paradigm beyond the limitation of such institutions as politics.
Oh, so that is why they are calling for Direct Democracy and an end to Capitalism? Ok, I've been edumacated...
At first you will be frightened but eventually you will own yourself. The realization that no one needs to be seated in some positional hierarchy that determines what you do or how you do it.
Seriously, anyone who is not frightened by what Soros and his merry band of Robin Hoods are offering needs a thump on the head, and some serious schooling on socialist theory plus a bit of history reflecting the failure of a Statist centrally planned economy.
Sides are the illusion silly. Stop playing that game. Existentialism/Enlightenment is unsettling if not unattainable for most that have been programmed. Trust I've been through the pains of deprogramming but the reward is there.edit on 6-11-2011 by AnotherSon because: quantum fart: changed "will be" to "is"
Originally posted by elvaanseifer
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
Then I would have to say they don't represent the 99% they claim to and that's why many ATS members won't support them. It doesn't seem to to be as all inclusive as it is made out to be.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by AnotherSon
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, I mean a paradigm beyond the limitation of such institutions as politics.
Oh, so that is why they are calling for Direct Democracy and an end to Capitalism? Ok, I've been edumacated...
At first you will be frightened but eventually you will own yourself. The realization that no one needs to be seated in some positional hierarchy that determines what you do or how you do it.
Seriously, anyone who is not frightened by what Soros and his merry band of Robin Hoods are offering needs a thump on the head, and some serious schooling on socialist theory plus a bit of history reflecting the failure of a Statist centrally planned economy.
Sides are the illusion silly. Stop playing that game. Existentialism/Enlightenment is unsettling if not unattainable for most that have been programmed. Trust I've been through the pains of deprogramming but the reward is there.edit on 6-11-2011 by AnotherSon because: quantum fart: changed "will be" to "is"
Please do not discuss deprogramming with me. You assume I am "programmed" to begin with. You assume that I do not understand Hegelian dialectical reasoning, or that I do not understand the NWO as synthesis of the conflict between "left" and "right".
Let us just say that I do not appreciate Stealth Progressivism in the Republican Party, and I will never submit to European socialism willingly. If you have a problem with that, too freakin bad.