OWS Now Affecting Other People's Lively Hood

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I was thinking close to the same thing. I see a lot of people going on about how the economy is about to crash completely etc, but wasn't that supposed to have happened in March? Maybe they are unhappy and dissatisfied that the economy didn't crash so they are trying to expediate the matter.

reply to post by Phantom28804


OWS = Selfish Act

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They couldn't care less about the terrible ripple effects of their actions.
They want socialism in the USA. If they have to step on people along the way then so be it.
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They are behaving just like the spoiled brats in Europe.

reply to post by Phantom28804


I have been trying to bring stuff up like this when they were in the roads...protesting in the roads and messing with travel should get protesters arrested...200th post! Good find.

reply to post by TheRemedial


I love predictions, especially of doom and gloom. I read Tarot Cards - I use two different decks depending on what the person is ready to hear, and have a crystal ball. But I do not make predictions. I can never be that egotistical, or sure of what I know to be subject to a million variable. In fact I am always amazed when people are so cock sure of what is to come. How do any of you know how anything will turn out when you have been lied to about everything under the sun for the whole of your lives?

Amused by predictions.

reply to post by Phantom28804


I work in down town NY, so I know a lot of businesses, mom and pops that are being hurt. For us that live and work in this area the tourists are bad enough, but then you have this on top of that. I have stopped going to the places I normally do because quite frankly I do not want to be bothered with pushing my way through the crowds. Many are heading north and east to find new areas to frequent instead of the OWS areas.

So yes I see businesses being hurt. The OWS folks aren't really supporting or helping all that much. I get there protest, I support some of there thoughts but I speak with better tools. My wallet, my vote and writing to those I elect.

My wallet - totally on board with Nov 5th and have moved my accounts
My vote - everyone is out if they are currently in - Go Ron Paul!
My letters - samples here on ATS.

So keep going with OWS, the big wall street guys are mostly in Jersey or Long Island City anyways. I am not a 99%, I am an Unitied States Citizen. I have long shifted my buying habit to buy Made in the USA. That is is the asnwer folks.

After the first few heavy snows, we may see some break up any way.

reply to post by sonnny1


no point i was literally just curious.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by GringoViejo

 

Old white man, thank you for acknowledging, not once, but twice, my efforts in dispelling this notion that this is nothing more than a FOX News "smear campaign". Sadly, it will just be ignored, again. Those links do not support their agendless agenda, so it was just an exercise in futility to post the links. I do, however, appreciate you doing the futile exercise with me. Futility loves company.

So true, so true. Willful ignorance, it seems, is an epidemic.

reply to post by torsion


I am from the UK to ,For you to be ignorant about the the 99% is a testament to your lack of understanding of worldly affairs. The 99% and there individual back round are so diverse there preaching and reasons may differ for being a part of the OWS such as school fees, jobless prospects, retirement funds and so on. BUT the source of there despair is solely caused by greed of conglomeration, banks,wall street the 1% in short. Banks and wall street affect the average Joe in a more immediately transparent way example interest rates, home repossession etc. While conglomerations own the monopoly on oil, gas geopolitics these affects are harder to understand for most. These affects affect a country as a whole. Even though peoples reasons for joining OWS may differ on the surface it all stems from one negative source and ripples down. These ripples are hard to see for most heres an example..Whole towns were once reliant on factory's theses factory's were the heart and soul of these towns. The population of these towns were hard working middle class who worked in the factory's for generations. Until the factory's decided to move the company's abroad due to cheaper labour costs. Now you have towns full of unemployed. Which in turn they lose there homes and materiel possessions so people have to relocate, schools close lack of pupils,so more family's relocate in the end you end up with a once middle class town resembling a ghost town. this population now has now prospect of a better life due to greed by 1% RIPPLE AFFECT

Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
reply to post by Phantom28804

 

I have been trying to bring stuff up like this when they were in the roads...protesting in the roads and messing with travel should get protesters arrested...200th post! Good find.

That is exactly right, when one person's rights infringe upon another person's then the first person has gone too far.

Your right to free speech ends when it interferes with my right to freely travel.

If you accost me in the street and attempt to force your views upon me I will put a stop to it. Your right to free speech has just infringed upon my right to not give a sh....oot.

Originally posted by mantarey

My wallet - totally on board with Nov 5th and have moved my accounts
My vote - everyone is out if they are currently in - Go Ron Paul!
My letters - samples here on ATS.

I get your message, but I do see one flaw in your logic...Ron Paul is 'in' right now.

I hear to much of how OWS is inconvenient to some of there daily lives. I ask you all surly you can see that if change comes about by this movement it will be for the best I could make i long list of positives that will come due to OWS and they will out number any negatives you could suggest,but hay you are more worried about how long it will take to get to Starbucks because of the protesters .

reply to post by Phantom28804


If we hope to change things (bigger problems) there will be casualties. Is one little coffee shop more important then the state this country has put it's people in? Corporations that our government has given all the power to have done more damage to Mom and Pop coffee shops, then a few protesters ever could. If we hope to change this country we can't be squeamish. People might die before this whole thing is fixed, like poor Marine Olsen. I feel for this coffee shop. But this isn't the time to worry about small issues like that. Wal-Mart has closed more small town businesses then OWS. We as a people will need a lot of backbone if we are to make a real change in the way this government has walked all over our rights.taken our money and don't even get me started on the patriot act!!!

Love to all and POWER to the people!!!!!

reply to post by Phantom28804


It's a waste of time. The so called Anarchists are taking it over and they don't actually have a cause. Oakland has clearly been taken over and the crime spree has begun. Those involved will lie and do anything they can to pretend its a legitimate protest while they stomp all over other innocent peoples rights. They simply don't care about the cause. Its the mayhem that turns them on.

In NYC all those being released from Rikers Island are now going to the camp. The real protestors are being threatened if they report crimes to the Police. This will end very badly. Already there have been rapes and assaults.

Once the Anarchists move in, it's just a mob of criminals. Time for those who are for real to back away and let the Police clean up the mess before more people get hurt. Those who won't are phonies anyway. This idea they fell for that they could police themselves was doomed to fail from the start.

I notice the number of posts on this is diminishing as the crime spree begins. They don't want to talk about that.

This is the exact same thing I watched happen with the Vietnam War Protests. Once the violent Marxists and Anarchists like the Weather Underground moved in, it all turned to crap and people started getting hurt.

Any person who is unfortunate enough to have a small business in the vicinity will be harmed or put out of business. Many small businesses can't survive more than a couple of weeks and I've seen two interviews with owners who have already lost their businesses.

Fortunately Anarchists, as loud and obnoxious as they are, are only a tiny group. The movement people let them in along with the SEIU thugs and they reap what they sow. Many innocent people will suffer now and the Anarchists are thrilled by it, no matter what lies they tell. Soon they will start looting and then the real harm will be done.

Originally posted by Earthmuffin33
reply to post by Phantom28804

 

Wal-Mart has closed more small town businesses then OWS.

I don't think Wal-Mart has actually closed down any small business, has it?

Love to all and POWER to the people!!!!!

Ah, yes. Power to the people. The power of personal choice that all the people used when choosing to shop at Wal-Mart instead of supporting their own communities small businesses.

reply to post by Earthmuffin33


Yes it is. It means you are a Dictator and a Thug. Anarchists are common criminals and nothing more. We all know you have all been lying. We can see the videos of the drug dealers, we know about the rapes and assaults and I have no doubt the next move will be to start looting using the same argument.

You have determined you have the right to destroy innocent peoples livelihoods just so you can get the attention you want and a thrill. You're not fooling anyone but yourself.

The protestors made their point long ago, now its a just a crime spree taken over by union thugs and Anarchists.

If your not one of them and you're just naive my apologies. Otherwise? You're just a cover story for the thugs.

It's easy to spot anyway. People who are for real clean up after themselves and don't allow criminals to use their so called movement as a cover for crime. They go out of their way not to stomp on others rights and not to hurt innocent people. You clearly don't care and you're in a fantasy world where only your wants matter.

Originally posted by Triggerhippie
reply to post by nenothtu

 

"There wasn't anyone in the government trying to force me to buy useless products from private corporations during that time frame"


Duck-tape? Wined up radios? HD TV or equivalent so we can make sure we see the pretty fear colors.....

Say what? Is that random string somehow connected to what I said? No one has passed any laws forcing me to buy duct tape, wind up radios, or HD TV, and as a matter of fact, I've not bought any wind up radios or HD TV of any sort, although I do have part of a roll of duct tape around here somewhere - can't be beat for repair work, and I've always tried to keep some on hand.

No one passed a law saying I had to buy it, though...

"So why are you wasting your time at Wall Street? Don't have anything serious to protest any more?"

I was busy protesting Scottish actors playing Spartans, then protesting Uber Americans using them as avatars back in 06. See it didn't work, so off to Wall Street I go.

Another random string, or you've just got nothing to add to the conversation, and have some idea regarding avatars, which seem to have no connection to the topic at hand?

PS: Wall Street won't change my avatar, either, so you lose. take some thermals with you when you go to Wall Street to protest my avatar - I hear it's getting cold up there. I won't be there to hear your anti-avatar protests, but have fun with it all the same!

I do apologize - it's really none of my business how you choose to waste your own time.

Originally posted by Earthmuffin33
reply to post by Phantom28804

 

If we hope to change things (bigger problems) there will be casualties. Is one little coffee shop more important then the state this country has put it's people in? Corporations that our government has given all the power to have done more damage to Mom and Pop coffee shops, then a few protesters ever could. If we hope to change this country we can't be squeamish. People might die before this whole thing is fixed, like poor Marine Olsen. I feel for this coffee shop. But this isn't the time to worry about small issues like that. Wal-Mart has closed more small town businesses then OWS. We as a people will need a lot of backbone if we are to make a real change in the way this government has walked all over our rights.taken our money and don't even get me started on the patriot act!!!

Love to all and POWER to the people!!!!!

I keep seeing this said and it reminds me of that saying something like one evil does not justify another. Basically eye for an eye BS. In your paragraph you are basically saying that because big banks and what not have punished the little man it's ok for the little man to take a bit of punishment as long as it is for the good of all. The funny thing is that if the government or military did that you would be screaming bloody murder. Honestly, from my experience in the military they would gladly sacrifice the few for the great good of the many.. i.e if you are in the way when they are doing good for the masses you are basically expendable. Which is in essence the same thing you just said. Because a big corporation like Wal-Mart caused the locally owned store to close down it's ok for you that are fighting the Wal-Marts of the world to cause the same store of the people you are fighting for to be shut down? Really?

Originally posted by indisputable
I hear to much of how OWS is inconvenient to some of there daily lives. I ask you all surly you can see that if change comes about by this movement it will be for the best

I could make i long list of positives that will come due to OWS and they will out number any negatives you could suggest,but hay you are more worried about how long it will take to get to Starbucks because of the protesters .

edit on 3/11/2011 by indisputable because: (no reason given)

I would love to see this list as this is an assumption based on your belief. So far the only thing OWS has accomplished is being a nuisance to the people you purportedly support and causing inconveniences on others. You are not protesting the government by sitting in front of Wall Street and frankly Wall Street doesn't set the mortgage rates, interest rates, or any of the other things I saw claimed by another poster. That would be the Federal Reserve, granted they probably judge things on the current conditions of Wall Street but they are the ones that make that call. Also it should be noted that big banks like Bank of America etc, are all governed by the Federal Reserve as well. There fees and charges are governed by the Federal Government.. So remind me again why you are protesting Wall Street and not Congress, The White House, or the Federal Reserve?

Originally posted by gamesmaster63
If OWS and the people behind it really wanted to make a difference in how things operate, they would not be occupying financial districts across the country.

Unfortunately, it's looking more and more obvious that they DO really want to "make a difference in the way things operate". We, and this includes me, have gotten into the habit of saying "they're doing it the wrong way", because their end objectives are not the same as ours. We wan to see the corruption and money connections gone out of politics.

Their objectives are entirely different.

They are only "doing it wrong" if they intend to continue a Constitutional rule of law. For that, it makes far more sense to pressure government. The fact that they are ignoring government and pressuring private citizens and financial institutions tells where their true objective lies.

No sir, they're doing it "right", but not for the benefit of the People. What they are after is some of that "fundamental transformation".

Watch the targets to learn the objectives.

reply to post by gamesmaster63


Yes I know, Ronny is the black sheep, but unless I write in Ted Nugent and Jesse Ventura, he is all I have to hang my hat on.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.