Iraq War Veteran Injured at OWS Oakland Founder of IHateTheMarineCorps.com

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by macman

 

But, violence towards the cops is not going to solve this.

Why do you keep posting this to me.

You've seen my replies and what I think...

Personally I believe the police/Government are deliberately pushing the protesters,trying to get a violent response so that they can get even more violent..
But that's not the protesters getting violent for no reason...

My issue is this.
Even if the Cops are provoking, fighting back on the street is a loose loose situation.

That reply is not necessarily directed towards you, but to all.

reply to post by hangedman13


Can you show me the law that was used to justify the police call for them to disperse??

Then I'll comment on the legality..

reply to post by macman

My issue is this.
Even if the Cops are provoking, fighting back on the street is a loose loose situation.

That reply is not necessarily directed towards you, but to all.

So what. The protesters should just pack up and go home??

I wonder if your fore fathers thought the same way???

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by macman

 

My issue is this.
Even if the Cops are provoking, fighting back on the street is a loose loose situation.

That reply is not necessarily directed towards you, but to all.

So what. The protesters should just pack up and go home??

I wonder if your fore fathers thought the same way???

By all means, stay and fight.
But again, don't cry about what happens, as it is being stated and shown what will happen.

I can't speak for my fore fathers. I can speak for myself.
Sorry, but I am not going to sacrifice myself or my working ability for OWS and the whole 99% vs. 1% crap.
I signed my blank check over many moons ago.

Like I said before, revolution is a young man's game.

Originally posted by backinblack
We need to fight the system that allows them to get away with this crap..

We need to fight the unconstitutional laws being written that allowed them to ask a peaceful protest to disperse..

Who is this "We" you keep mentioning?
Are you not living in Australia? Are YOU protesting there as well? Lending moral support is one thing but some may see it as acting as an outside agitator.

Just a thought.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Are we the we and we don't even know we are?

I am completely confused.

Could anybody tell me one specific thing all these protesters agree on?

I am serious...

I am trying to feel their pain...I just don't get it.

reply to post by whyamIhere


Im sick of all the bulls't headlines like "Hero critical" and such, no one who served in Iraq or Afghanistan is a hero! They where professional soldier's that got paid to do a job. They are in the army because they have limited intelligence and no morals. They joined up to kill, to get a license to run amok in a big gang. Just because you put on a stupid uniform and toss your common sense and intelligence as a human being out the window shouldn't mean you can commit atrocities. Your hear excuses like, it wasn't my decision i was ordered to do it thrown around all the time. Well bulls't, you are responsible for your own action's at all times. It doesn't matter if you wear a stupid two bit uniform. You are murderer's pure and simple, get real you moron's.

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

Very interesting, do they not call the USMC "the suck"?
Just curious, I know nobody who has been in the ....service (corporate service) who hasn't said "I hate Brand....err branch xyz".
The site is no longer up, hmmm I wonder why, no matter I don't care.
A human was hurt doing a peaceful act and nothing can soften that blow.

Oh, it matters.

The OWS handlers have their first martyr now, as I predicted. I'm beginning to think that OWS post should have gone in the Predictions Forum.

Some of the SAME PEOPLE who would have, and probably did, call Mr. Olson a "brainwashed corporate shill" two weeks ago the SAME PEOPLE who would have called him a "mindless killing machine", and even worse, those same people NOW insert "war hero" in front of his name as if that were a title or something. That's what prompted me to quote your post in it's entirety - it's a near perfect illustration.

THEY are making bank on his veteran status NOW, where they would have happily spit on him a scant few weeks ago because of that same status.

THEY are now trying to profit from his misfortune. It's ok now, though, because hes a shill for them.

If it weren't so sickening, it would be hilarious that people seem to be sublimely unable to see this for the propaganda coup it is, It won't surprise me in the least to find that he got popped in the head with a rock or bottle flung by his own side. Now, I'm not saying that IS what happened, mind you, but it's damn sure a distinct possibility, since the police were sort of slack on giving them the martyrs they crave. Someone may well have decided to "help" that along.

That whole riot had questionable origins, which is one of the reasons it's under investigation now.

Either way, they jumped right on the propaganda coup, started cranking it out and making bank. Ironically, the same people who accused him of being "used" are now shamelessly using him.

The irony and propaganda are so thick you couldn't cut it with a chainsaw.

Yeah, it matters.

You're goddamned right it matters!

When I was in service, I knew a lot of guys who hated the Army. Those who were drafted I figured had the right... but those who had signed up on their own had nobody to blame but themselves, especially if they upped during wartime. But still, it wasn't my place to tell another soldier what he could and could not think.

If there is one thing you learn in uniform, it is to respect the guy next to you. You don't have to agree with him or his politics to fight alongside of him.

One step on, he had a right to protest just as an American and if he was a combat vet, more than earned his right to hate the corps... if that's what floated his boat.

Thanks for reply.

You are precisely on target.

"It does matter".

Men have given their lives.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by backinblack
We need to fight the system that allows them to get away with this crap..

We need to fight the unconstitutional laws being written that allowed them to ask a peaceful protest to disperse..

Who is this "We" you keep mentioning?
Are you not living in Australia? Are YOU protesting there as well? Lending moral support is one thing but some may see it as acting as an outside agitator.

Just a thought.

edit on 28-10-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

Thank you Slayer.

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by macman

 

May not matter for some.
If I hated the service I was in, I would not walk around stating I was in such and such service, not would I wear my old uniform.

But yes, it does not matter, veteran or not.

Thanks...
But he was wearing a Tshirt, not his uniform..
It did say something on it about him being a vet though...

edit on 28-10-2011 by backinblack because: (no reason given)

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The photos I saw showed him standing there wearing his USMC Desert MARPAT BDU blouse sloppily, which is a BIG FAT NO NO for all the Marines I know - they either wear it right and wear it with pride, or they don't wear it at all - and a boonie hat in the same MARPAT desert pattern.

Now, to be honest, he went out and answered the call to stand in solidarity with the collectivists when they were screaming for veterans to come out and protect them, and that by itself is fine. A man has to answer the call of his own conscience, and I won't fault him for that, however much I may disagree with his decision, I can respect it.

My beef is more with the powers behind OWS, and their propaganda use of a man they wouldn't have pissed on had his head been on fire just a very short time ago.

For that, I award them no points, and take back some of the points I had previously given them.

I meant what I said before. If the powers behind this mess fooled around and got some of my people hurt for their own political aims, there was going to be hell to pay.

Now they've started doing that, with supreme indifference, and show no signs of giving a damn how many more of the protestors get hurt, just so long as they can achieve their own political aims.

To borrow a phrase from Anonymous, "Expect Us". They aren't the only folks who can work the shadows. Some folks can do it OUTSIDE their parent's basements.

reply to post by Hootsmanwheresmaheid

reply to post by SLAYER69


First it was New Zealand, Now it is Australia. Make you mind up will you

And as for we, you want the names of the places who stand in solidarity with the Occupy Wall street, and before you ask I was at Occupy Glasgow. But I suppose you know all the places, that are occupied already, really annoys me, Our governments can send out Armed men and women over seas to fight in wars which have nothing to do with us, and when our own citizens come out and stand up and protest against those governments, people call them hippies, yobs, idiots, crack-heads, but I suppose you know that already too, so no use arguing with you. You have already made up your mind.

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
First it was New Zealand, Now it is Australia. Make you mind up will you

I distinctly remember the member mentioning once they were from New Zealand. But upon a quick search found out I was mistaken.

And as for we, you want the names of the places who stand in solidarity with the Occupy Wall street, and before you ask I was at Occupy Glasgow.

That's none of my concern. [Notice how any threads regarding said location I haven't participated in?]

But I suppose you know all the places, that are occupied already, really annoys me, Our governments can send out Armed men and women over seas to fight in wars which have nothing to do with us, and when our own citizens come out and stand up and protest against those governments, people call them hippies, yobs, idiots, crack-heads

You mean like how when those of us [Who may otherwise support the premise in general of OWS] ask hard hitting questions and express their concerns over the lack of real direction and or a true agenda get called Neocons, Brainwashed, sheeple, shills, corporate lackey etc etc etc?

but I suppose you know that already too

This is the problem with some OWS supporters. Alienating the 98% majority that would otherwise join the minority against the 1%.

Think about it.

Originally posted by SLAYER69



This is the problem with some OWS supporters. Alienating the 98% majority that would otherwise join the minority against the 1%.

Think about it.

Wow Slayer....That is exactly how I feel.

I mad at the lack of leadership in this Nation.

I want a better future for my family.

I actually went in person to Occupy San Diego.

Those people no more represented me...Than the cops represented the 1%.

reply to post by whyamIhere


And there I thought the so brilliant USA voted in someone whom would change it all. Did you not think that when Obama was voted into office?

Well guess what everyone was let down by him, not only you all in the USA, but many people around the world.

And it is about high time we stood up for what we believe in, rather than being in control of the co-operate businesses who have done nothing but rape your pensions, make people loose jobs,while the rest are suffering, they sit back pay themselves big bonuses and laugh at your sorry arse, out there risking your life, trying to protect your own country from attacks. Also while your fellow marines, army personel, navy personel, air personel, are loosing their life's for their greed.

I know your going to disagree with me but hay its fine. Im a big girl I can handle it. What I cannot handle and what upsets me is seeing you guys, whom put your own lives on the line, to protect the freedoms which is being currently infringed upon in your country. And you who signed to protect your country is allowing this to happen.

Do you want to be come Iran or Syria or Egypt?

reply to post by whyamIhere


Precisely.

Here's how I'm seeing it, in a caricature-ized version for ease of grasp:

On the one hand, we have the OWS crowd, saying "Butbutbut... U iz teh 99 percentz! We haz decreed it, and it iz so! You haz no choice - join or die. U will be assimilated, we don' care what U want! We need Ur numbers for teh free stuffz! U ben DRAFTED!"

On the other hand, we have the corporatists, saying "Butbutbut... we ownz U! We giz U jobz an' feedz U! All ur base are belong to us! U ben DRAFTED!"

Neither is so. Both of these factions are merely facing off against one another, and are right now just trying to get the REAL 99%, those caught in the crossfire in the middle, into their OWN camps for cannon fodder in the war their hoping to spark off, using a combination of a "hearts and minds" campaign and drafting for the reluctant.

It's always been that way, all through history. One would be group of tyrants face off with the current group of tyrants, hoping to take the throne from them, and trying to enlist the folks caught in the middle into their petty little wars.

Those caught in the middle just want to be left alone to pursue their lives in peace, They want no part of your wars, yet the opposing factions always drag them in and drop them in the crossfire in the no-man's zone.

Oh, the warring factions will promise us anything, up to and including the Moon, but after the smoke clears and the dust settles, and they've used and abused us to achieve their own little victory, those promises VANISH with the smoke and the dust of the war, borne along on the winds of "change".

I'm telling you right now, flat out, that the next time I go to war, it's going to be on the behalf of those folks in the middle, the ones who just want to be left in peace, the "silent majority" if you will, and AGAINST BOTH of the petty sets of wannabe tyrants.

Leave us the hell out of it and fight yer OWN petty little wars. Ain't NONE of y'all gonna be happy with the outcome if you don't.

I'm done talking now.

reply to post by whyamIhere


You dont need one thing when everything broke.. You know, kinda like people say around here everyday.

reply to post by AnonymousFem


No, I never thought when Obama was voted in that he "could change it all" Who could possibly make so much change in such a short amount of time? Four years isn't much, really. Not when you compare the 40-some years that those guys like Gadaffi or Mubarak had to effect change. I hardly think our military vets are the ones to have to protect those who choose to protest. Why? I'm just curious.