Luciferians control our Reality Matrix by presiding over Scientific Orthodoxy

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Although I disagree with your opinion, I congratulate you on your ability to actually stay on topic batgirl. Considering that the OP isn't interested in discussing the topic and admits he doesn't care about other's opinion I will leave this thread as it isn't a discussion at all in that case.

Originally posted by ElohimJD

This topic is about how Satan holds the scientific community hostage with theories taught as fact which are meant to disproove God as creator, and then the scientific community uses those false theories to claim ignorance on behalf of the true knowlegde of life.

Right. Satan is the dark demiurge creator of this universe of matter according to Illuminism. Lucifer is the Light. Lucifer != Satan. Two completely different entities. FWIW

Originally posted by someotherguy

Originally posted by ElohimJD

This topic is about how Satan holds the scientific community hostage with theories taught as fact which are meant to disproove God as creator, and then the scientific community uses those false theories to claim ignorance on behalf of the true knowlegde of life.

Right. Satan is the dark demiurge creator of this universe of matter according to Illuminism. Lucifer is the Light. Lucifer != Satan. Two completely different entities. FWIW

I like your take and your opinion is appreciated, as well as your genuine attitude towards others.

I see it differently but it is of little consiquence. I believe Satan and Lucifer are the same entity under two different names in time, it was Lucifer (Light-Bringer/ Morning Star) while obidient to Gods law pre-mankind; after sin was found in its mind (jealousy/disobidience) God change its title to that of Satan (enemy/advisary). Just as God has changed the title of his people (servants) throughout scripture (i.e. Jacob =Israel "prevail with God", Abrim = Abraham etc.)

I only see one Creator of the heavens (first = atmosphere, second = outer space, third = spiritual realm) and the Earth (physical realm) and it is the Eternal Almighty God of Creation YHWH Elohim.

But again this is not meant to "correct" you as I have said before you have been great in this thread and I value your opinion in many things.

God Bless,

Originally posted by ElohimJD


But again this is not meant to "correct" you as I have said before you have been great in this thread and I value your opinion in many things.

I'm just saying what the Illuminati believe. There are also layers to the "story." There is a creation myth they tell initiates at the 1st levels, which is quite a different story from what the grandmasters know. When you're admitted to the mystery school, you have to earn your stripes, as it were. They aren't going to just give it up to any old member. It is confusing to piece it together...

Originally posted by ElohimJD
This topic is about how Satan holds the scientific community hostage with theories taught as fact which are meant to disproove God as creator, and then the scientific community uses those false theories to claim ignorance on behalf of the true knowlegde of life.

If Satan were real he would be all in favor of the ignorant using the Bible as a history book.

If you read the Compendium you would understand that it is all based off of archological, epigraphic, numismatic and most importantly common sense. there is a slew of scientific evidence to support this document, as well as scriptoral, but because it goes against was is taught as science, you claim there is no evidence.

I have had it open on another tab all day and have gone through the relative chapters. There is no epigraphic, numismatic or acheological evidence to support the author's view that man sprang into existence 6,000 years ago. Nor is there any to support his misguided belief about the age of the pyramids or their builder as he wrongly ascribes them to someone else. The book is an antiquated and irrelevant publication which will appeal not to the scientific, but to the religious as it supports their unswayable Bible-based belief in the origins of man and the Earth.

Once again, the Bible is not a history book and those who use it as one do themselves and their religion a great deal of intellectual diservice.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

If Satan were real he would be all in favor of the ignorant using the Bible as a history book.

According to Illuminism, Satan is the god of the Abrahamic religions (Islam, Judaism, Christianity). He *does* want people to use the Bible.

Originally posted by Getsmart
I bring my personal testimony to this forum...

Actually we are all still waiting for you to clear up that troubling matter of your personal testimony, you know, the part where Satan comes to visit you? Admit to your Satanic connection, repent now and allow SuperiorEd to save you from enternal damnation.

It is therefore TO HIDE THE TRUTH that the Luciferians have kept their alleged Sacred Knowledge and Satanic Rites hidden from public view.

On the contrary, it is you who hides his Satanic/Luciferian connection. You admitted on page one to meeting Satan but have yet to reveal why you are so chosen to receive personal attention.

You and your Satanic sycophants have obvious inside knowledge of what construes a Luciferian/Satanic Ritual, are verse in the rapid identification of obscure Satanic/Luciferian symbols and are able to read the minds of others to extract their innermost thoughts and sentiments on private matters (and is truly Luciferian) which you then post here to try and prove that they are Satanists in an obvious case of deflection.

You and your Satanic gang have an obvious connection to the Evil One by virtue of your prediliction to Satanic activity and deepn understanding of Satanic symbolism, while the average Above Top Secret Poster, who is not aware of such horridness, is inundated by your constant references to Satan/Lucifer in what one can only rationalize as an attempt to indoctrinate them into your circle of Satanism.

Originally posted by someotherguy
According to Illuminism, Satan is the god of the Abrahamic religions (Islam, Judaism, Christianity). He *does* want people to use the Bible.

Well then, you should be thrilled to know that I do not operate my life according to Illuminism. The Old Testament God is vengeful and spiteful, it is not my idea of God.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Once again, the Bible is not a history book and those who use it as one do themselves and their religion a great deal of intellectual diservice.

The Bible is the only true history book ever written and accurately describes God Almighty's interaction with His creation; mankind.

Anyone who uses unproovable theories based on a system designed have you disregard the only thing ever given to you containing true knowegde is doing themselves and their "intellectual vanity" a diservice.

Please Augustus let this go, we obviously do not go to the same sources for our truth. You go to the scientific community and accept what they tell you you are looking at as "fact" and I go to the One who created it to tell me what it is and accept His Word as Fact.

All the rest of our exchanges are simply you attacking my source as wrong and claiming your source as right, neither "faiths" are proovable to the other so your attacks are not productive and only serve to show you are more concerned with "being right" then understanding truth or learning from your fellow man.

Please PM me if you would like to continue, this is getting ridiculous with your attacks on me because we disagree with the origin of a word.

God Bless,

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isaiah 12:12-14 KJV



And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:9 KJV



If you separate Lucifer and Satan and think of Lucifer as light or self-enlightenment or self godhood or reaching a state of being one with divinity through the intellect of the mind then that Luciferian self-lightness has the very same goal that (Satan) had. It is the same reason that Satan was booted out of Heaven. He wanted to be God and he wanted to be worshipped as such. So is it a coincidence that those who believe lucifer=self enlightment and self godhood ALSO come to think of themselves as gods and goddesses, self-created or co-created? This is not a coincidence.

We have a Creator, not us, we didn't and are not capable of creating ourselves. We are not gods. We are wonderfully created beings. What is arrogant about the luciferian philosophies is that if Our Holy Creator had not created us then we wouldn't be able to misuse the brains that were given to intellectualize ourselves into believing that we are our own gods. Who are we to make such a claim? Did we humans weave ourselves into being in our mother's wombs? Did we create our own DNA? Did us humans place the moon, sun and stars in their places in perfection? Not to close, not to far? Did we create the earth and water and the breathe of life? No.

We are not gods. Elite Luciferians now want human immortality, they don't think they should have to die so they are messing with our DNA and genetics, mixing animal and human together. Immortality through genetic manipulation. I have heard it said that the elite of the elite luciferians who KNOW the Creator is real and Holy would like to storm the very Heavens itself and overthrow the very Creator who created us. This I do not doubt.
They do not want to face accountability.

Satan and Lucifer are the same being, arrogant and subtle, intelligent and manipulative, able to pose as an angel of light. The one Jesus warned us about. Do not be deceived. They are one and the same.

I also wanted to add that Getsmart, the OP of this thread, knows what is on topic and has kept to his theme of Luciferianism and Scientific Orthodoxy. I think he has been quite gracious in having allowed this thread to continue even though we have often strayed from the specific topic of this thread.

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The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible,Isaiah 14:12,but only in the King James and related versions...

Lucifer is mentioned only in the Old Testament and Satan doesn’t arrive until the New Testament...

Jesus is also known as the "Morning Star" in the New Testament,which makes everything all the more confusing...

But before either the Old or New Testament,Venus was known as the "Morning Star"...

Plato,born in 428 bc,pre-dates the New Testament and some of the re-writes of the Old Testament and he wrote in his work called Timaeus...

"First,there was the Moon in the orbit nearest the Earth and next the Sun,in the second orbit above the Earth. Then came the "morning star" and the star sacred to Hermes,moving in orbits which have an equal swiftness with the Sun,but in an opposite direction and this is the reason why the Sun and Hermes and Lucifer overtake and are overtaken by each other."

Plato is clearly speaking of Lucifer as being the actual planet Venus,with Hermes as being the planet Mercury, moving in orbits which have an equal swiftness with the Sun...

It appears that the misogyny of the early Solar cults and the later Roman church surely had a part to play in linking the feminine Venus with Satan...

There are also many pre-Christian myths and allegories that include stories about Lucifer,which is the Latin name for the Greek Eosphoros...

In Greek mythology,Hesperus is the Evening Star,the planet Venus in the evening.He is the son of the dawn goddess Eos,Roman Aurora and is the brother of Eosphorus,also called Phosphorus and Lucifer, the Morning Star...

Hesperus,whos Roman equivalent is Vesper,the evening star in the west.Hesperus father was Cephalus,a mortal,while Eosphoros was the star god Astraio...

In the oldest Zoroastrian allegories,Mithra is supposed to have conquered the planet Venus...

In the Christian tradition,Michael defeats Lucifer...

The Solar cults,of which Christian is just the most recent,feared the mythic power of the Divine Feminine and this is one of the reasons for the confusion over Lucifer’s true identity...

Originally posted by blocula
The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible,Isaiah 14:12,but only in the King James and related versions...

Lucifer is mentioned only in the Old Testament and Satan doesn’t come into the picture until the New Testament...

Jesus is also known as the "Morning Star" in the New Testament,which makes everything all the more confusing...

But before either the Old or New Testament,Venus was known as the "Morning Star"...

Right on all counts!!!

In the Christian tradition, Michael defeats Lucifer.

And there's where the problem is. I agree that appears to be Christian tradition, but maintain that such is not in the Bible anywhere, but was written by poets like Dante and Milton a thousand + years later. As you point out, Lucifer was not an angelic name, but a mistranslation of what they believed to be a star (but was really a planet). Paradise Lost is not a gospel. It's popular fiction telling a morality tale. Not unlike the Star Wars saga. Heck, even in The Matrix, Neo is "The One". If history tells us anything, that means that in a thousand years time people will assume Jesus was a kung fu master.

Originally posted by ElohimJD
The Bible is the only true history book ever written and accurately describes God Almighty's interaction with His creation; mankind.

Right. Because if you are going to, say, study Chinese History, you would use the trusty King James Bible? Or maybe you wanted to find out the historical implications of divergent cultural development on the Indian sub-continent, you would once again bust out your King Jimmy.

Anyone who uses unproovable theories based on a system designed have you disregard the only thing ever given to you containing true knowegde is doing themselves and their "intellectual vanity" a diservice.

Sort of like people who try to prove everything in human history by using the Bible.

Please Augustus let this go, we obviously do not go to the same sources for our truth. You go to the scientific community and accept what they tell you you are looking at as "fact" and I go to the One who created it to tell me what it is and accept His Word as Fact.

Except you kid yourself as the book you use was written by men and is only as accurate as the editors chose it to be.

The organized religion of Christianity has been infiltrated by luciferians just as pretty much everything else has been. They would have people believe that Jesus was the reincarnation of Horus etc... This is infiltration to turn everyone back to the Old Mystery Religion. Yeshua called out the luciferian equivalents of His day for what they were. The luciferians have been changing key words in translations of the Bible in order to cause confusion. The historical records stand.

Luciferians hate Yeshua and the message of love, compassion, discernment, strength and courage that He represents and have tried to turn Him into someone who would throw millions of souls into eternal torment for not believing in Him or for not having heard of Him. They have twisted the original message. They do not go after the Eastern Religions and their is much to be criticized about them but you would never know it.

They have control of large swaths of organized christianity but it is Yeshua that they hate. These times that we live in call for great discernment to be able to separate the truth form the lies and to overcome confusion. We have a wonderful Creator who loves us, who would not twist and hide the truth from us. Children often have a clearer understanding of these things than we adults do. We can learn from them.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by blocula
The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible,Isaiah 14:12,but only in the King James and related versions...

Lucifer is mentioned only in the Old Testament and Satan doesn’t come into the picture until the New Testament...

Jesus is also known as the "Morning Star" in the New Testament,which makes everything all the more confusing...

But before either the Old or New Testament,Venus was known as the "Morning Star"...

Right on all counts!!!

In the Christian tradition, Michael defeats Lucifer.

And there's where the problem is. I agree that appears to be Christian tradition, but maintain that such is not in the Bible anywhere, but was written by poets like Dante and Milton a thousand + years later. As you point out, Lucifer was not an angelic name, but a mistranslation of what they believed to be a star (but was really a planet). Paradise Lost is not a gospel. It's popular fiction telling a morality tale. Not unlike the Star Wars saga. Heck, even in The Matrix, Neo is "The One". If history tells us anything, that means that in a thousand years time people will assume Jesus was a kung fu master.

Good, not great, scholarship, but I've often wondered--lately--if the following verse refers to a time when Lucifer and Jesus were still brothers in the "sons of God" way.

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)

Morning stars is plural....

Originally posted by The GUT
Good, not great, scholarship, but I've often wondered--lately--if the following verse refers to a time when Lucifer and Jesus were still brothers in the "sons of God" way.

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)

Morning stars is plural....

True, but I think the bit from Isaiah needs to be taken in context:

That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

It seems pretty clear to me that the King of Babylon that's being talked about is a mortal man, not an angel.

Heck, it was still common just a few hundred years ago to refer to Kings as celestial beings... Sun King and all that divine right stuff. In Isaiah they're mocking a fallen tyrant who had styled himself a god.

My 2¢ at least. And here is an opinion by a better scholar than myself who arrives at similar conclusions.

Lucifer is the planet Venus and some think that Venus was a Comet that entered our solar system and was finally captured within its present orbit by the suns gravity...

Along its way,the comet Venus violently interacted with the Earth and caused widespread earthquakes and volcanic eruptions,it tilted the Earths axis and unleashed the ancient deluge that swept oceans across large parts of the planet...

That event left deeply traumatizing and long lasting impressions upon the prehistoric peoples who were alive when it happened and the survivors passed down their knowledge and memories of that terrible event...

Which became the origins of our myths and legends of titanic struggles between gods and godesses,angels and demons,dragons and dragon slayers...

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Right. Because if you are going to, say, study Chinese History, you would use the trusty King James Bible? Or maybe you wanted to find out the historical implications of divergent cultural development on the Indian sub-continent, you would once again bust out your King Jimmy.

I am glad you brought up Chinese History, their "book of kings" is the only ancient history chronicle to accurate trace their origin all the way back to "The Black One" emperor Cushio (Cush from biblical translation). As all mankind was under the government at Babel with Cush as the ruler the Chinese are historically 100% in unity with scripture.

Sort of like people who try to prove everything in human history by using the Bible.

Sort off, yes.

Except you kid yourself as the book you use was written by men and is only as accurate as the editors chose it to be.

Except you kid yourself by using the guesses of men (influenced by the ruler of this age; Satan) as intellectually rationalized through vanity and arrogance as the "source" of your truth.

Again we will never proove to the other that "I am right" and "you are wrong", so why do you continue to waste both of our time.

God Bless,