This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

reply to post by MasterGemini
Then why not explain it to us? You have badgered me about my back ground and exactly my level of grunt labor and assorted other things and I have answered honestly

So, do tell....what IS your story? So far all I hear is snide remarks and attacks on anyone that offers ways you could improve your current situation....

We are all ears

GO ahead, stop telling us about what you can't or won't do and tell us what you HAVE DONE

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

Then why not explain it to us? You have badgered me about my back ground and exactly my level of grunt labor and assorted other things and I have answered honestly

So, do tell....what IS your story? So far all I hear is snide remarks and attacks on anyone that offers ways you could improve your current situation....

We are all ears

GO ahead, stop telling us about what you can't or won't do and tell us what you HAVE DONE

edit on 10/8/11 by Cinaed because: (no reason given)

It was NEVER about me in the first place. How do you not get this by now?

I introduced some factual reality into your hate fest and you attacked me on a personal level.

After all these pages and pages you still can't see that?

I said there is a reason other than lack of motivation or laziness for them to be unemployed, I backed it up with evidence, then you come out with some history lesson that has no relevance on today's economy. The numbers and the fundamentals structures surrounding/supporting the economy are totally different. Thus making your history lesson largely an apples to bananas comparison.

The fact that you continue attacking my persons instead of the facts just proves you don't care about the facts and rather rely on rhetoric and emotions because there is little truth to back your wishful thinking opinions.

reply to post by MasterGemini

I'll take that as omission by silence the acknowledgement you have done very little aside from surfing the net to gather *evidence* of why it sucks so much to be you

reply to post by Cinaed

I'm not saying they need to just protest the gov. I am saying if they want to get to the real heart of the matter they need to protest the Federal Government and the FEDERAL RESERVE....

No they don't...because both the federal reserve and government are now run by Wall Street, and that's a FACT.

Talking to the government is like talking to a sock puppet or marionette, it would be silly. You want to directly go to the source of the issue, the puppet master...which is DEMONSTRABLY Wall Street.

reply to post by MasterGemini

I backed it up with evidence

you mean that opinion piece that stated 50% of nothing equals something ???
do you mean that evidence or did we miss something relative?

reply to post by MrXYZ


Rollingstone is at times a very good read. If that is where you want to get your facts, that is your call...

I prefer to get mine from real life and what I see on a daily basis and, US history, the policies made over the yrs, the statute of the law and such facts as these....

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Cinaed

 

I'm not saying they need to just protest the gov. I am saying if they want to get to the real heart of the matter they need to protest the Federal Government and the FEDERAL RESERVE....

No they don't...because both the federal reserve and government are now run by Wall Street, and that's a FACT.

Talking to the government is like talking to a sock puppet or marionette, it would be silly. You want to directly go to the source of the issue, the puppet master...which is DEMONSTRABLY Wall Street.

it just doesn't get any funnier than that

The Federal Reserve run by wall street ... ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haha
you keep believing though ... especially cause Rolling Stone says so

"Demonstrably" you say ?? well ok, show me.

Originally posted by Cinaed
there are lots of ways to improve the life of the individual, the starting point is to STOP believing you need to play the game.

BINGO! We can stop speculating on voluntary socialism leading to communism or if communism is where we're currently headed as the 1% agree that they are entitled and ideal. We just need to drop out. We will still exchange goods and services. We will still help each other out. We don't need to call this libertarian socialism or social anarchism or left libertarianism. We won't need to have a debate or war of words. We will just be doing what is necessary to survive. We could call it humanism, but that leads to debate about unearthly influences. Fair enough. How about peopleism? Well since the term now exists, we may then fight over having to agree on something. How about isecretlyhateyoubutwouldhelpyouanytimeism?

reply to post by gentledissident

Socialism isn't about voluntary anything, it is about someone shows up because it has been decided YOU have more than your FAIR share, and they take it......

Whether you earned it or not, or whether a bunch of other people thing what you have is more than your fair share, Maybe they believed if you earned it, it belongs to YOU

Originally posted by Cinaed
Socialism isn't about voluntary anything,

People choose food stamps. People choose government housing. My personal view is that government should get more heavily involved as an employer generating necessities. As the government shows through competition it offers better benefits, we would slowly become a nation of the people and not the corporation. The big flaw here is, the corporation already owns the government, and any leeway would be a ruse. This is why we must not support the 3 branches of our government; the bank, the corporation, and the figurehead. We remove our support by dropping out.

reply to post by gentledissident


People chose to set up programs to help the under privilege and boy of boy did they get corrupted, milked, and ripped off...

What started out as a means to address those falling through the cracks, these programs have evolved to produce a generation that feels government programs are suppose to sustain them.

Huge difference between a hand up (which everyone deserves) and a hand out....

Socialism and socialistic programs encourage mediocrity and all our slipping standings in the world point to this simple fact. Look at the more socialistic countries.....they are WORSE off than we are for the most part. Just LOOK at the UK.... I don't want to be more like them...

sometimes LESS is more

I agree the corporatism is out of control but Wall Street is not where it originates from.... The FED paved the way for everything happening right now with a handy assist from the fed government.... The simple truth is LOTS of people work at corporations that are not *evil* what about THEM?

There was a time Wall Street was where people made their fortunes, and the the laws of how our goverment runs were CHANGED....and it's been downhill ever since.

Slowly at first....and snowballing for DECADES now...

Restore the Republic

reply to post by Cinaed

I work for an evil corporation. It's huge and a popular conspiracy subject for good reason. I have a small part to play in its evil. My rationalization is, I will perpetuate the evil to help the customers finally realize that they are being ripped off while I get a paycheck. For some strange reason, the company just gets bigger. The bigger it gets, the more influence and participation it has with its bedfellow, the US shadow government. I'm willing to bet that there are those reading this who are using its products becasue they feel compelled by American Capitalistic Tradition. I'm willing to bet that those of you who are experiencing anger with my corporation, will accept a trinket in exchange for forgiveness. I see it all the time.

Anyway, I said semantics will get us into trouble. Let's try dropping out and uniting to help each other survive. Let's not worry about an ism or toys from Japan for a while. Let's just see if we have any compassion left.

reply to post by gentledissident
I am all for helping each other survive. Having grown up without electricity or running water in the middle of nowhere Alaska I believe I can be helpful.

My concern is making sure I weed the wheat from the chaff.....

I should go count the number of threads I have followed and posted to that the moment I lay out the fact we are suppose to be a republic and how far we have strayed from the Constitution and claim THIS is the true core of our troubles....I get vehemently attacked...it's very typical and the more I talk about what restoring the Republic means....showing the history of how we got to HERE...all the name callers and attackers shut up....why???? The only reason I can figure is they DON'T want to restore our original manner of government or our founding documents...

Anyone wanting to destroy the Constitution will get no help from me. I am willing to sacrifice many *things* to achieve restoring it.

I have grand children and I do not want for them the future the OWS demands lead to. That doesn't mean I am against all the protestors, or what the genuine sincere protestors are protesting about....it's all the *shadow* BS that is pulling their strings.

The main reason I am here is to show the youth with open eyes and functioning brains, there is more to it than you learned in school or read in Rollingstone or heard on the Daily Show.....

reply to post by Cinaed

And

post by Honor93


Hi friends,

OK, I will gracefully bow out - perhaps just lurk here for a while and drop in with the odd rude (Sorry, meant intelligent) comment lol

You see, in order to hold a meaningfull conversation there needs to be at least a small patch of common ground. There is a little perhaps, but there is way too much that we dissagree on. We are all aware that there is no way any one of us will influence the others opinions or thoughts. And although it is good to give people with alternative opinions additional food for thought, I think we have already achieved that. So all that remains for this conversation now is a long roundabout ride with each os us (re)presenting our possition, and others rejecting that in order to promote their own.

Don't get me wrong. I am not dissing anyone, just comming to the realisation that having presented all our arguments we still dissagree. What I have learned though, is that perhaps there is an underlying thread - that the status quo is not acceptable - that the rich elite who's greed caused this crises should pay for it, not the 99% - that the banks should be serving the public, not manipulatin them for their own profit - that government should do what is best for the people, not what is best for themselves - on which we all agree. So I guess there is not much more between us than the method by which we as a people go about demanding the changes which are desperately needed. And as quiet as I may have been with regards to any potential political landscape etc AFTER the OWS, it seems little more volume has come from any other direction regarding alternatives to it. It seems we all reccognise the need for change; I feel it is rather bad show to critisize those who are out there campeigning for it. You may not agree with how they are going about it, but I don't see you jumping up with any alternatives.

So, again, we agree to disagree. But I have enjoyed our chat.

Cheers

and here we have,
repeat after me, more absurdity,

raise you hands in the air

say yada yada

'Occupy Atlanta' in strange group chant, ritual...

youtu.be...

there does seem to be a socialist agenda somewhat in these protests. Not sure what good if any can come from it. to be sure they are playing into the hands of the SCUM. I truly believe they have been deceived into providing a false flag agenda for tptb. Soon we will loose more liberties so that we may be safer from the dangers that will not come. uggh. It hasn't helped Greece a bit. Nor England. it will not help here. it will be a hindrance. Seems very counterproductive to me

pooping protester, lol

www.dailymail.co.uk...

reply to post by Stormdancer777
Um, I think that's called "echoing". It's a way to be heard without a sound system. That's also what the hand waving is about.

No singular human being inherently more valuable than any other human being.

Beautiful. I know "change" from TBTB would only be symbolic. They have no intentions of giving up control and have the support of people who lust after power. However, we 99% can now clearly see we are here for the well being of each other. This is the treasure from Occupy.

John Lewis must either have a strange reputation in the area, or is looked at as a suit with nothing to add. I don't know. Looks like he voted for war with Bush and hung out with Obama. He's probably just a pawn.

Originally posted by DavidsHope
there does seem to be a socialist agenda somewhat in these protests.

Yes, that is the path to freedom and equality. However, the capitalists have no problem with using violence and the system to shut them down. I'm just hoping that when the protesters realize there's more of us that they thought, they'll all go off to form communes. We'll be out of the way, and the capitalists will be free to wheel and deal with each other.

reply to post by gentledissident



Did you read what was posted under the video

Many curious citizens and media outlets came to the first Occupy Atlanta event, and were visible shocked and confused by the consistent Marxism employed by the group. People abandoned their individuality and liberty to be absorbed into a hypnotizing collective. The facilitator made it clear that he was not a "leader" and that everyone was completely equal; words often spoken by leftists, but in this case they actually applied their philosophy. Into this surreal and oppressive environment, Rep. John Lewis, a civil rights hero and icon of American leftism, came to speak as has so often done at left-wing rallies and events in Atlanta. He is practically worshiped in Democrat circles, and was visibly stunned to see these Marxists turn him away. It was reminiscent of previous Marxist revolutions in history when those who ignorantly supported the revolutionaries are, over time, purged and rejected for the "good of the collective", when their usefulness has expired.

no matter what side of the fence the sheep graze on it is still a sheep.