This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

reply to post by MasterGemini

The data is strongly against your claims that only the lazy are unemployed

you are sooooo off base with this statement.
i dare you to show any such blanket statement i made.
i said you are lazy ... not "only the lazy are unemployed" ... geeeeeesh

actually, data can't determine, analyze, support or debunk laziness. it can try but it cannot.
laziness is subjective and can change in a moments' notice.

same old story with you eh? won't own up to your own malfunction but want everyone to sit in your boat with you ... misery sure does love company.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

The data is strongly against your claims that only the lazy are unemployed

you are sooooo off base with this statement.
i dare you to show any such blanket statement i made.
i said you are lazy ... not "only the lazy are unemployed" ... geeeeeesh

actually, data can't determine, analyze, support or debunk laziness. it can try but it cannot.
laziness is subjective and can change in a moments' notice.

same old story with you eh? won't own up to your own malfunction but want everyone to sit in your boat with you ... misery sure does love company.

see you are attacking me personally . . .

I was attacking the people saying only the lazy or 'unmotivated' as one other so aptly put it are unemployed.

do you understand the fundamental difference here?

reply to post by MasterGemini
Retarded or not, I am most likely the kind of person that sits across the desk at the interview and sizes you up. If you still look for work, after all I read that sooooooo many people have given up! READ it, its in many places.

I grew up in a world where quitters never win and winners never quit!

Whether or not I'm retarded is kind of a moot point, I have a GOOD J-O-B

How are you faring with all your intellect and data JR? No jobs in your area? dang...lets see you can't move, can't living in your car as you don't own one, can't wash in public bathrooms, can't can't can't can't

I work with developmentally disable people every day

So far I haven't met one that behaves as retarded as you are, most of them are much more polite too

reply to post by MasterGemini

You come back talking about how things where three decades ago before people had pc's as if the two job markets are the same

wow this fool doesn't realize without our generation, he'd have no computers ... so, it's been like 30 yrs ... where is the next generation's fabuloso invention or advancement or skill ?????

you want us to provide you a future and we want you to discover one ... the only thing standing in the way of such a utopia is what???? ain't money.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
reply to post by Honor93

 

Dude huff copy and pasted from AP

Here is another copy at CBS

Young becoming "lost generation" amid recession
www.cbsnews.com...

(AP) WASHINGTON

I never argued any emotions . . . pure data.

You are the one arguing about emotional words in the article.

Anything else you want to make up?

dude, i don't care which MSM bunch of stats you reference, it's whitewash, nothing more.
pretty paint for whatever picture the writer chooses to present.

young "becoming" ... something but no one knows ... and i'm guessing some (you mostly) are too scared, too angry, too bitter, too smelly, too mouthy or possibly too lazy (yep, i said it again) to tackle the task at hand.

nope, no data there either ... 50% of nothing is still nothing or did you fail math?
any other invisible evidence you'd like to present?

reply to post by Honor93


Oh dear, there's far too many things there for me to disagree with lol. Suffice it to say, I think that whatever the current state of play, these demo's are a good thing, and theu need to grow, they need support, and they have mine!

Regards empathy. I think that more than anywherre else, in a debate is whre it is needed the most. Empathy allows for the sharing on many levels of thoughts and feelings, and this can only be of benafit when trying to settle a disagrement. I am empathic, I have used this time and again. Knowing how people feel about something tells you how to communicate with them about it. I could go further - analise the way the people feel - are they tactile, visual or auditary thinkers (Easy to tell from the way they respnd to you) then you frase your responces to them in a way which is tailored to how they think, and what they feel about the subject in hand. All these skills aid communication. The world is not black and white, and logic alone does not help anyone. As a dyslexic I mainly only have the ability to do this in person, but I have done a couple of very succesful readings over the internet - PM me if you want one!

Mate, we will both cintinue to beleive what we beleive regardless of what the other says. I do now understand you better though, and perhpas at the same time have learned a little about everyone who opposes, or perhaps does not support the OWS. Cool.

Personally, I can't wait for the revolution. What happens after that I'm happy to wait and see.

reply to post by MasterGemini

I was attacking the people

yet you responded to me directly with a "reply" ... interesting.
who is attacking whom?
i would say i thought it would be a worthy spar but i have been disappointed.

it is not difficult to clear up misunderstandings ...
like this one ...

Us young folks are getting screwed the worst out of anyone.

post ... from pg 1 even.

yes, today's young folk are challenged more than those of the last decade, i agree ... but, screwed the worst out of anyone???
hardly ... dude, get a grip, get a clue and then get a life.

reply to post by Shamatt


I feel much the same about OWS as you on some levels! While I am totally against the demands this movement has put forth, this is due in a large part to the backers of the thing. Now they say Unions are going to get involved. While I appreciate the passion of the young adults that are protesting out of passion and wanting a better world, they are targeting the wrong enemy. The Federal Government and the Federal Reserve are where they need to be protesting. And, interestingly I have yet to talk to a OWS supporter that is opposed to the Obama agenda. Part of their goals is the re election of this President.

The longer this goes on the more it smacks of an Obama re-election campaign! I am glad the current generation is standing up! What worries me is if they keep following blindly and parroting the rhetoric the only thing they are likely to accomplish is further destruction of the Constitution and alienating everyone in the country that is against socialism and communism. Now isn't THAT just what TPTB want all along?? To further divide this country! Revolution is one thing, civil war entirely another!

I whole heartedly support and encourage their passion, but I am completely against their demands....talk about a communist manifesto! EEK

Wallstreet is just a by product of the actual problem, that's what we need these young adults to see

POTUS has now given the movement his green thumbs up. Makes me wonder even more....why is he not afraid they will overthrow him like all the other leaders in Egypt and Tunisia and Libya? Can't people see this?

reply to post by Shamatt

Personally, I can't wait for the revolution. What happens after that I'm happy to wait and see.

wow
they know naught for what they wish.
you are free to wander in the abyss ... please don't drag the rest of us with you.

reply to post by Cinaed


I wouldn't like to comment, other than that time will tell. Appologis for the week cliche, but sometimes they fit lol. I just saw Obama on the news talking about the changes he wants to implement. "...there is a lot of work to do to make our tax system fair and just...." Well, there is an admition for you huh!? Just read that again.

That is what young (and like myself) older people are asking for, amongst other things.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Just the Manchurian President *energizing* his base All the players are present, Sorros, Unions, Obama gives a thumbs up....Bill Ayers in there somewhere I'm sure

How's the weather in your end of the bog?

But see, the youth protesting don't know about Ayers or others like him..... very sad, and scary

I do NOT want the current generation to become my enemy

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Shamatt

 

Personally, I can't wait for the revolution. What happens after that I'm happy to wait and see.

wow

they know naught for what they wish.
you are free to wander in the abyss ... please don't drag the rest of us with you.

Don't tar all of them with my vague outlook on life. I am sure they have better plans, I was voicing MY opinion. Feel free to dump on me for it, but remember I don't represent them.

reply to post by Shamatt
I think most people want similar things, just have assorted ideas of how to get there, but the demands of this protest are a must read if you ask me

What I worry about is this movement being duped into bringing about the ruination of the Constitution. That is what made this country a great nation, not money...money helped yes, but it was strong minds, backs and work ethic that built the country, the money was a by product of that not the catalyst. Not social programs that take from some to give to others.

Like Ben Franklin said, "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

Many will say they system or capitalism failed...no it didn't it was working very VERY well until we the people failed to watchdog our government, too distracted by all the pretty shinys and *free stuff*

Folks just never seem to appreciate the things they didn't have to earn

reply to post by Shamatt

Oh I think you are spot on, this movement CRAVES revolution. The concern is, with the current backing they have what replaces our current form of government will make the last 5 Congress's look like choir boys and candy stripers. They crave Revolution like the latest fad...they want to emulate the Arab Spring... Most of the Arab countries that had this Spring are ending up with various levels of Shariah law and/or influence.... give them another 5 yrs and the odds are people will be wishing for *the good ole days*

Another thing to note, it is not Spring in the middle east, it is approaching winter in New York.

Revolution is not a video game. It's easy to beg for something and dream about how right it would be, right up until you hold a dead loved one in your arms or get rounded up and locked up, or worse, having served your purpose to topple the government a compassionate double tap to the back of the head....not so groovy then.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
reply to post by reallywow

 

Have you read the pages leading up to that comment?

No?

LoL enjoy your douching, douche bag

edit on 6-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Yea, my bad. I read the reaction, not the previous.... LOL

reply to post by gncnew


Occupy Wall Street Protestors = George Soros Pawns

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The Occupy Wall Street event is simply a " distraction " from the 9.1 % unemployment
rate disaster and the Fast & Furious Scandal.

Now the New York Times can put Wall Street Occupation on the front page instead
of Fast & Furious Scandal indicts Eric Holder and President Obama.

The Wall Street Occupation may even push the latest terrible job report to Page 2.


Isn't that clever.

I've been rereading this thread and maybe it should be said plain and simple this time. The backers of the Occupy Wall Street are Adbusters, this non-profit is the group that started it all.

Adbusters Media Foundation is a not-for-profit, anti-consumerist, pro-environment[1] organization founded in 1989 by Kalle Lasn and Bill Schmalz in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. The foundation describes itself as "a global network of artists, activists, writers, pranksters, students, educators and entrepreneurs who want to advance the new social activist movement of the information age

I would like to emphasize "ANTI-CONSUMERIST". That is EVERYONE. They are anti-you and me and grandma too.

The subtitle of Adbusters magazine is "The Journal of the Mental Environment". Their philosophy is that if a key insight of environmentalism was that external reality, nature, could be polluted by industrial toxins, the key insight of mental environmentalism is that internal reality, our minds, can be polluted by infotoxins. Mental environmentalism draws a connection between the pollution of our minds by commercial messaging and the social, environmental, financial and ethical catastrophes that loom before humanity. Mental environmentalists argue that a whole range of phenomenon from the BP oil spill to the emergence of crony-democracy to the mass extinction of animals to the significant increase in mental illnesses are directly caused by the three thousand advertisements that assault our minds each day.

Basically what the above is stating is that people are not bright enough, responsible enough or are just so weak minded that we can not be trusted to see any advertisements without being brainwashed into believing those ads.

Adbusters supports digital detox week, which I actually think isn't such a bad idea though our ideology behind the endeavor vary greatly and this is important to understand. It isn't a bad idea by itself it is the why of the idea that is so dangerous. Adbusters believes people are being mentally poisoned by outside influences...I would like to make that decision myself. I do not want a group telling me what I can or can not read or look at. I believe in a little thing called freedom. Once any group begins censoring the media or claims that they seek to censor the media at the outset, I think everyone should be very concerned.

It is not the sentiment behind the majority of the protestors that I take issue with. I have issue that so many people are supporting an organization that they likely know little about.

Originally posted by Shamatt

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Shamatt

 

Personally, I can't wait for the revolution. What happens after that I'm happy to wait and see.

wow

they know naught for what they wish.
you are free to wander in the abyss ... please don't drag the rest of us with you.

Don't tar all of them with my vague outlook on life. I am sure they have better plans, I was voicing MY opinion. Feel free to dump on me for it, but remember I don't represent them.

you represent everyone who shares your opinion and sadly, there are quite a few.
and that statement stands, with a minor adjustment ...
YOU nor they know naught for what they wish.
better?

This whole discussion has really gotten to me. I can't stop thinking of the apathy expressed by some of the members here. I understand that they are having trouble finding employment and I thought I might share some of my friends personal experiences with this.

1. Joe. He had a couple of cans of paint and few paintbrushes. He walked from neighborhood to neighborhood knocking on doors offering to paint house numbers on curbs. A lot of people said no but a surprising number of them said yes. He makes a great living now doing that believe it or not. He was surprised at how many of his customers really didn't need their numbers painted-seems to us that a lot of folk out there just want to help a guy out.

2. Georgina has a child with severe food allergies after her husband left her she realized she could bake cakes and cupcakes for other parents that had children like hers. Has her own bakery now doing quite well.

3. The bar I work at part time serves a lot of bottled beer. There is a guy that comes by three times a week and takes those bottles to the recycling center. He makes a minimum of sixty bucks a trip and he does that with several different establishments in the area. The bar owners don't need the recycling money and they seem glad to help someone out. He used to use an old shopping cart to haul the bottles to and fro but he now has a nice van. All it took was some initiative and now he is able to support himself.

4. There is a rather nice lady that comes by once a day selling homemade tamales out of an old igloo ice chest. We all buy tamales from her because it is a way that we can not only help her out but because we love her tamales.

5. There are two ladies that hang out at the local cleaners and offer to do people's laundry for them. It frees up people's weekends and their customers love that they can drop off their laundry on their way to work and pick them up later that day. That is their only source of income and they are doing great.

6. I know several people from the farmer's market that take cuttings from the plants already growing in their yard (or wherever) and repot them in found objects and sell them.

7. I have another friend that dumpster dives for found objects, transforms them into garden art and sells them on the beach.

The list really could go on and on but the point is that these are everyday people that found themselves without employment. They looked at the resources available to them and made something out of that. Notice that some of the people on the list had very little to go on. The plant folk for instance, and the recycler and the dumpster diver. All that they really had were their imaginations and a drive to better their situations.

Not one of these people ever dreamed that this is what their lives would be like and sure some of them had bigger dreams but in the end they did what needed to be done, they did it on their own and now they can be proud of where they are. Not one of them ever gave up and simply said there is nothing to be had, I'm sunk, life stinks.

The last point that I'd like to make is that the customers these people have are customers mostly because they really want to help other people out, they just don't want to feel like they are just giving hand outs away. Help yourself and you will find that others are more than willing to help you. You just have to have a positive attitude.