This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd.

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Sadly and unbeknownst to most of them they are already sock puppets of George Sorros and his ilk

Demonstrators in Washington DC admitted to being "paid" to demonstrate.

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So much for Nancy Pelosi and her grass roots demonstrations!
She is a fool.

reply to post by Eurisko2012
I read on some blog one of the leaders of the OWS paid a bunch of illegal aliens to protest, but many of them carried signs that could not be understood.....OY

I admit I didn't go dashing to google to verify it, but it sounds about right.....

I agree the movement is a thinly veiled socialist communistic movement. I still believe most of the youth participating don't get that...yet

It's up to us to show them

I am proud they are standing up, I just want them to KNOW what they are standing up for.

The actual socialists and communists already know whats REALLY going on

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

I'm not saying they need to just protest the gov. I am saying if they want to get to the real heart of the matter they need to protest the Federal Government and the FEDERAL RESERVE....

Wall Street does not set interest rates or create inflation or devalue the USD.... the FED does those things. If you want to change Wall Street.....go to the true controllers of interest rates, inflation and devalue of the dollar AND the ones that made what is happening in Wall Street legal...

There was a day what has happened was illegal! Someone changed that. Wall Street didn't the gov and the FED did.

Audit the FED and much more would be revealed... Return to the foundation of the founding of this nation and such politicians would go to jail....

Wallstreet is a by product of the REAL problems

and that someONE would be good ole' Woodrow Wilson ... 1913 ... then, 3 yrs later, he spoke these words publicly ...

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world, no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

source
but the beast had already been unleashed and for nearly 100yrs, no generation since has been able to reign it in, destroy it or benefit from its construct. No political party has shown the gumption or desire to vote it down (why should they, they wield its power).

Every congress-critter is led to believe we cannot function without it
[which is soooooo not true]
most business ppl have become so entrenched in its web that it is personal suicide to even try to escape.

regardless of the profiteers over the years, allowing the beast to remain and grow, feeding it daily and grooming the next generation to need it is just plain wrong.

reply to post by Honor93


Now you are starting to sound like my Dad

Originally posted by Honor93

regardless of the profiteers over the years, allowing the beast to remain and grow, feeding it daily and grooming the next generation to need it is just plain wrong.

If only there were some sort of demonstration we could join to protest for change..... I thought you were arguing against OWS earlier in the thread - sure sounds like you agre with their agenda.

reply to post by Shamatt


That might be your interpretation of her words, but it is not what I get at all! What I read in that post the *someone* I mentioned that changed how our government protected the public from what his happening is Wall Street now, was Woodrow Wilson.

I agree. Read about his Administration....Not the junk the public school system says about him. The REAL political history of the things he did AND didn't do....

reply to post by Shamatt


This post is also about the ILLUSION of credit and the necessity every American has to buy into it.

If you listen closely you will see the people currently doing well are not JUST *the evil rich* they are also regular people that refuse to play the credit game with the current players

I do not even use BANKS... I refuse. I shop at Fallapartmart ONLY when I have to....there are lots of ways to improve the life of the individual, the starting point is to STOP believing you need to play the game. Take all your money out of your bank and put it in a Credit Union...they are much more likely to deny a loan that is a bad investment!!!

Audit the FED and get to the bottom of the BS and life would change for most Americans!

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Honor93

 

Now you are starting to sound like my Dad

hey now, i'm not THAT old ... yet.
but i guess maybe some of us really did learn even though they thought we weren't paying attention

Originally posted by Shamatt

Originally posted by Honor93

regardless of the profiteers over the years, allowing the beast to remain and grow, feeding it daily and grooming the next generation to need it is just plain wrong.

If only there were some sort of demonstration we could join to protest for change..... I thought you were arguing against OWS earlier in the thread - sure sounds like you agre with their agenda.

this is why you should read the thread from the beginning.
i do agree with several complaints
i do agree A protest is needed ... i do not agree with their choice of targets.
i do agree the power of protest should be exercised fully ... for the right reasons, at the right target, but, most importantly ... FOR THE RIGHT RESULT

There have been several local protests i could attend, but why bother ??
they do not have my best interests at heart, simple.
i am a consumerist, as is EVERY American.
the organizers of these protesters are against EVERY American and that's me.

If you don't understand what i'm saying ... go to the organizer website ... AdBusters and read it for yourself. please, don't take my word for it ... be you own leader

As for the ists and isms along the way, i really could give a rats patutti ... i am concerned about the result.
If it is not leading toward the restoration of a Constitutional Republic, it won't garner my support at all.

see what many of you folks don't realize is that some of us DID protest [albeit for the wrong reasons more than once] ... but we do tend to learn from our experiences.

propaganda is alive and well and thriving on the youngest minds of this generation.
do not be fooled. do not be afraid. we the people do have the power but it is not the wise who choose to wield such power aimlessly, with little regard for consequence and devoid of an acceptable target.

reply to post by Shamatt

Federal Government, Est. 1913 Stabilizing America's economy The central banking system in the U.S. is the Federal Reserve System, commonly known as "The Fed".* The Fed's creation was controversial. The Owen-Glass Federal Reserve Act of 1913 created an institutionalized monopoly of special-purpose banks located in major cities throughout the country. 12 Federal Reserve Banks are led by the Bank of New York, which is a publicly traded corporation started by New York businessmen and Alexander Hamilton on June 9, 1784. As America's central banking system, the Fed is a system of banks for bankers. The Federal Reserve Board (board of governors) members are appointed by the U.S. president. The Regional Federal Reserve Banks are corporations whose stock is owned by member banks located within the region of each bra

The main tasks of the Federal Reserve are to supervise and regulate banks, implement monetary policy by buying and selling U.S. Treasury bonds (T-bills), and steer interest rates. Alan Greenspan, whose term ended January 31, 2006, served as the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve. Greenspan embodied gravitas. Statements by the chairman exerted great influence on the stock market and the American economy. Numerous investors watched Greenspan with the utmost attention. As chairman of the Fed, he guided U.S. monetary policy, making him an extremely powerful man. Few could make the markets respond like Greenspan. When he spoke, he carried the weight of the Federal Reserve, compelling professional investors to analyze his every word. He was designated chairman by presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush. The Fed bears a wide range of responsibilities, from overseeing monetary policy to implementing such specific goals as currency stability, low inflation and full employment. The Fed issues American currency and functions as the bank of the federal government. The Fed regulates the credit system, oversees commercial banks, manages exchange reserves and acts as a "lender of last resort." The Fed clearly has a unique and critical mandate as a core entity of America's federal government. While the Fed is organized under the administrative arm of government, it is largely independent of politics. The Fed reports regularly to the Congress and represents the United States within such international financial non-governmental organizations as the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). A monetary policy is the means by which the Fed influences the demand, supply, and price of money and credit, in order to direct the nation's economic objectives. The Fed was given the authority to formulate U.S. monetary policy. Within the Federal Reserve, the Federal Open Market Committee is responsible for implementing open-market operations, while the board of governors looks after the discount rate and reserve requirements. As a prerequisite of official membership and participation in the American banking system (the Fed), all commercial banks are required by the Federal Reserve Act to own shares in the local regional branch of the Fed, proportional to assets and deposits in each member commercial bank. The regional Fed banks harvest "profits" of hundreds of millions of dollars per year, from the daily fluctuations of the American economy and the interest generated by interbank loans among themselves and the commercial banks. Ninety-seven percent of the "profit" is returned to the U.S. Treasury. The remaining three percent is used to maintain the system and pay interest on securities and bonds.

nch Fed bank. The Fed is highly regulated and thus has great credibility.

www.u-s-history.com...

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by DerekJR321
I get $360 a week unemployment

That's about what I take home a week, and I have one of the higher paying jobs in this area, if you don't to be near the rich. It's no wonder I talk to unemployed people who won't take a job that's "beneath them". They're doing just fine not working

. I'm betting those are the same people who call me crazy for being a socialist.

To be fair, the cost of living is nice in Oklahoma. Y'all should come visit. There are jobs everywhere. I know it's no problem to move for a lot of you. I hear about you guys jumping through hoops, slaving, and wasting your one and only shot at consciousness for The Man. You're used to struggle and pain.

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See... it may sound good. But thats the problem. To you, where you live, that might be good. To me, where I live, that is nothing. A single bedroom apartment goes for $1300-$1500 a month where I live. And thats the cheapest. And that doesn't include electric, or tv, or phone. Just hot water. Then there is gas, which right now is $3.71 a gallon for regular. And food, clothes for my child. Plus remember I said almost 50% is going to my ex-wife for child support and some to social services because they don't think Child Health Plus counts as good enough health insurance. When you break it down it is nothing.

I figured out at minimum wage ($7.25/hr).. in NY... I would have to work two full time jobs to SCRAPE by. Now yes the obvious easy solution would be to move out of NY. However, being that I have a child I can't. I "could"... but I wouldn't be able to see him basically at all.

reply to post by DerekJR321

At least you have looked at and weighed your options, and MADE AN INFORMED CHOICE! So much more than many many Americans are doing




Being a parent is so difficult at times and full of sacrifice! Keep looking and keep learning... I had to leave my kids for a time while they were growing up, some might have chosen not to... The beauty of this country is we have this CHOICE!

If the demands of this protest get met....there will be FAR less choices, not more. If you let *someone* I mean WHO exactly will make all these fair decisions the protestors want??? the GOVERNMENT>? really??? THEY are going to be f-a-i-r??

If not the government, then WHO?

Okay so whoever this noble body of peeps is going to be, they will decide how much money is too much and what is fair for all. What's next?? Telling people where and when and how they will contribute to this new fairness???

So many questions, so few answers......lots of frustration, anger and RAGE.....

When was the last time you saw an enraged person thinking?

reply to post by Cinaed


Ultimately the protest won't be absurd if the protestors come to see that this country was founded and grew to greatness on our declaration of INDEPENDENCE

The demands laid out by the protest will bring about a DEPENDENCE on whoever these very noble and enlightened new TPTB will be.

That is what I would like a protest supporter to answer for me. Let's say we all agree! OKAY!!! lets put this into practice immediately

Just who will be decided the fair living wage and who and how and when people will contribute to it, for surely ALL must contribute for it to TRULY be FAIR?

If we open the borders and allow anyone who wants to come partake, do we make them work or just keep giving them all the stuff we give them now, stuff that is paid for ONLY by citizens at the moment...

Since George Sorros is not only quietly funding the protest but also now openly announcing he is putting his money behind it.....is HE the new Grand Puba>? His agenda is ANYTHING but fair

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

Try getting you "facts" from other sources for a change and see what you have yet to learn!!!

Like the US CENSUS?

What is wrong with the census as a source?

edit on 6-10-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)

Or are you referring to the first website that copy and pasted the story from AP?

You can't offer anything can you?

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Lies, damned lies, and statistics...

Branch out and think. And BTW: the HuffingingtonPost isn't really an "objective" source. They've been feeding young mush-minds like you what you want to hear:

Precisely that it's not your fault your life sucks. My 14 year old is the same way. His room smells, but it's not his fault - couldn't be the piles of dirty laundry or empty soda cans laying around. He has no money to go out with is friends... couldn't be that he told his Grandfather "No Thanks" when offered $40 to mow the lawn... because it was "too hot".

Your situation is your fault, you are the only one to blame, and only you can change it. Obama has no magic "make life better" button in his office, and neither does anyone else.

Go get a job already, Christ's sake - the amount of time you've spent on here shows you can apply yourself if you desire to.

Maybe offer a local business to increase their SEO by writing posts about them on various forums... lots of money to be made doing that if you have the time (which you obviously do).

And a third dumb@ss steps up to the plate!

He swings . . . . and misses!

The article is cut and paste from Associated Press, I had to inform two other idiots, like yourself, already because they do not actually read the sources.

I can see why you barely graduated HS.

Really? I graduated HS in 1995... wasn't that long ago homie. I worked 3 jobs in HS so I could have gas money and date money.

1995 was 16 years ago . . . not that long ago, are you serious?

U. S. Economy Experiences "Soft Landing" in 1995; Look for More of the Same in 1996

J. Robert Gillette
Associate Professor of Economics, University of Kentucky
cber.uky.edu...

In 1995 the United States economy moved well into its fifth year of economic expansion since the last recession ending March 1991 and experienced the much publicized "soft landing." The Federal Reserve (Fed) engineered this "soft landing" with a series of interest rate hikes from February 1994 to February 1995. The "soft landing" refers to the slowing down of an overheating economy on the verge of driving up inflation, to an economy growing near its full-employment growth rate with low inflation. The delicate balance of slowing the economy without also causing a recession (a "hard landing") appeared in jeopardy in the second quarter of 1995 when the economy stumbled, and many wondered whether the Fed had over-tightened monetary policy.

Along with explaining where the U. S. economy has been in 1995, and where it will likely be in 1996, I first review the 1994 economy. The booming 1994 economy, along with the Fed’s 1994 preemptive strike against inflation, set the stage for understanding the economy in 1995.

Looks like there was a 5.5% unemployment rate back then . . . they even mention the BOOMING economy of the years prior.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

reply to post by MasterGemini


Interesting perspective since all the people you are calling names have a j-o-b

How is that piece of paper serving you as opposed to our HS diplomas?

Be honest, you are living in your parents basement and eating cheetos in your underwear, nothing to do but surf the net gathering willy nilly stats and opinions to explain why your life sucks so much??

Just a wild guess

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by MasterGemini

 

Interesting perspective since all the people you are calling names have a j-o-b

How is that piece of paper serving you as opposed to our HS diplomas?

Be honest, you are living in your parents basement and eating cheetos in your underwear, nothing to do but surf the net gathering willy nilly stats and opinions to explain why your life sucks so much??

Just a wild guess

Real mature . . . . . .

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by DerekJR321

 

At least you have looked at and weighed your options, and MADE AN INFORMED CHOICE! So much more than many many Americans are doing

Being a parent is so difficult at times and full of sacrifice! Keep looking and keep learning... I had to leave my kids for a time while they were growing up, some might have chosen not to... The beauty of this country is we have this CHOICE!

If the demands of this protest get met....there will be FAR less choices, not more. If you let *someone* I mean WHO exactly will make all these fair decisions the protestors want??? the GOVERNMENT>? really??? THEY are going to be f-a-i-r??

If not the government, then WHO?

Okay so whoever this noble body of peeps is going to be, they will decide how much money is too much and what is fair for all. What's next?? Telling people where and when and how they will contribute to this new fairness???

So many questions, so few answers......lots of frustration, anger and RAGE.....

When was the last time you saw an enraged person thinking?

Well I appreciate that. Thanks And yeah I am back in school now for Veterinary Technician. It's a growing field so it will be good for me.

I agree that there are those out there who abuse the system. And its those who are making it a bad situation for all of us who do truly need the assistance.

Again I appreciate your recognition that I'm not a schlep

reply to post by MasterGemini


I'll take that answer as a resounding YES and move on

reply to post by Cinaed


No, you are quite wrong.

Why not move on to reality where people are out protesting because there are no job opportunities for them?

reply to post by DerekJR321


No one with my views want people to be down trodden!!! We want SOME programs in place to see that children don't go hungry and even poor people can have a CHANCE to better their lives.

What we DON'T want is for the have nots to take with prejudice from the haves, accomplishing nothing but changing the faces of the haves and the have nots



No one is saying the protestors don't make a few very good points, we are merely questioning how it is fair to take from people who have worked and give to people who will not. This is not the same as can not

You keep using your brain as you have and one day you will be the old fuddy duddy explaining the real deal to the youth