Job! Jobs! Jobs! Cheering on our own slavery. Employment bubble popped. Fight against work.

reply to post by Radekus

I'm sorry about your lack of stars. I agree with you. In addition to necessities being a given, we need very short work weeks. We need to develop and maintain technology that allows very short work weeks. We need to maintain an infrastructure, so we will always need to work. We just don't need to work long hours at meaningless jobs. Supply and demand is a fine and natural thing. However, demand is sold along with the supply. We are told what we want.

We don't do ourselves any favours by working too hard and putting in too much effort. It's all too common to work extra hours for free, give up benefits, take on tasks outside our agreed responsibilities. Why? Because we feel that if we don't do this then someone else that does will come and take our job. As a society we compete rather than act as a community. In China and Japan they're working 10/12/18 hour days. I've got a Japanese friend who has a bed in the office and sleeps there sometimes. I work with Americans that send emails at 5:30am their time, waking up early to look as if they are not expendable. We're all expendable.

If everyone worked half as hard, companies would have to employ twice the number of people to do the same amount of work. I like that ethos

Originally posted by Radekus
Not enough arable land left

Food can be grown on any type of land through hydroponics, aquaponics, vertical gardening, and high rise LED farms.

reply to post by doctornamtab


Totally agree with your post.

s+f

I'm afraid, though, that it's a huge world, and we will never run out of people who will fight us tooth and nail on the subject. That's the real problem we face. Most people are so indoctrinated into the current system that it's almost impossible to persuade them that there might be a better way.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Sounds like you have bought and swallowed all the coporate Kool-Aid.

Your corporate elites will be proud of your message, as they devour the last of your wealth.

What if jobs aren't inherently evil? What if our unhappiness stems from a place far deeper?

When we think about jobs being bad, it comes from us being unhappy about our lives. If we were completely satisfied with our lives we would not feel that our jobs were bad. In fact, jobs can be very useful. In one light, jobs can be seen as a way to make money, but in another light, jobs can be seen as us working to help others. A teacher helps students learn. A nurse helps patients feel better. A store manager helps a store make money, which entail helps employees keep their job. Even someone who proofreads financial statements helps by making sure an aspect of the business is running smoothly, which entail helps employees keep their jobs.

So, every job has a purpose to help others, but sometimes or even oftentimes what our job is helping is not how we want to help the world. For example, helping a corporation that treats its employees unfairly is probably not how we want to feel useful in our lives. This can easily be fixed through change. Simply change your job. Changing your job might not be a simple process, however, if you break it down step by step, it does become simple. Reflect on your life what you feel is important in the world. Look for jobs that reflect that idea. Apply yourself to those jobs. More than likely that will require a big financial sacrifice, but as doobydoll beautifully illustrates, it can be done.

If you like gardening and seeing your hard work create something beautiful on the earth, there might be families living on the same block as you willing to pay you to build their garden. If you love cooking, and every time someone takes a bite of your famous recipe a smile lights up on their face, you can sell it to people, either through a local store or your own home-delivery service. If you love being around dogs, you can set up your own dog-sitting or dog-walking business. I see people do these things all the time, and if you are wise and intelligent you can do it too.

Maybe it's not jobs that make us feel like slaves. Maybe its the choices that we make that makes us feel like slaves. And if you want to get rid of the unhappiness in your life, then change the things in your life that are making you unhappy.

reply to post by DaGremlin


You have a valid case people need work it is the essance of improvment, without work nothing would be done. But I think the point the Op is making is that what we are working for or towards isnt improving our own lifes and it isnt what is right for mankind in the long run.

Our leaders are short sighted they need to be there sucess and wealth depends on instant solutions for short term ideals, if and it is a big if people had a common goal, idea or structure that would benifit the whole of mankind in the long term and ensure the survival of our species and planets ecosystem, we should be the generation to make the leap of faith to hold life in higher regard than money or wealth.

Our current system may not be lashes to the back and chain gangs however the replacment for these punisments is without doubt money, it is the new form of punisment without it you are considered weak and worthless and with it you are strong and sucessful the burden of the money effects us all in many ways and is in my eyes a far more powerful wepon against humanity than any weapon or restraint they have forced onto us.

We are told that money is the solution to disease and hunger and countless other man made problems, and in reality it is not.
We mistake money as the problem when infact it is the weakness of us all to accept it.

Consider this quote :
If you have a faithful servant, and one that you like, serve yourself.
Benjamin Franklin

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Sounds like you have bought and swallowed all the coporate Kool-Aid.
Your corporate elites will be proud of your message, as they devour the last of your wealth.

What do "corporate elites" have to with trivial and mean thievery committed by your criminal friends? They hurt other people and you are proud for them? Sheesh. What a bunch of low lives.

reply to post by nightbringr

Oh BOO HOO!!

You don't pay for my life. I paid for my own life. It isn't my fault your life is so miserable, get off your arse and do something to make yourself happy instead of moaning and groaning and spreading your misery ffs!

reply to post by buddhasystem


Now take any 40 of those manufacturing jobs: In 2011 they can be done by 1 guy / gal and 5 robots. Even if you bring the "jobs" home, you are only bringing back 1 job for every 40 we "lost." That's one guy paying taxes on 1 job, for every 40 solidly "middle class" job we used to "manufacture" here.

The system is dead. Advances in IT, automation and robotics created "efficiencies" which rendered all but the Financial Services sector and the "Service Industry" obsolete. And guess what? They are extinct too, just as soon as the notion that 90% of their customers no longer serve a useful purpose as consumers, because they no longer serve a useful purpose as "employees"....

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Sounds like you have bought and swallowed all the coporate Kool-Aid.
Your corporate elites will be proud of your message, as they devour the last of your wealth.

What do "corporate elites" have to with trivial and mean thievery committed by your criminal friends? They hurt other people and you are proud for them? Sheesh. What a bunch of low lives.

If you work for a corporation, you already qualify to join me in my "low life".

Almost all corporations are made up of thieves and criminals.

Relax, you'll get used to the stinch soon.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Now take any 40 of those manufacturing jobs: In 2011 they can be done by 1 guy / gal and 5 robots. Even if you bring the "jobs" home, you are only bringing back 1 job for every 40 we "lost." That's one guy paying taxes on 1 job, for every 40 solidly "middle class" job we used to "manufacture" here.

I can pretty much assure you that even with all advances in robotics, refrigerators and all that are still assembled in China using more or less traditional techniques (they are not superior to us in robotics), so your point is moot. We are not replaced by robots here, we are replaced by the Chinese, Mexicans etc, not necessarily by our own will.

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Sounds like you have bought and swallowed all the coporate Kool-Aid.
Your corporate elites will be proud of your message, as they devour the last of your wealth.

What do "corporate elites" have to with trivial and mean thievery committed by your criminal friends? They hurt other people and you are proud for them? Sheesh. What a bunch of low lives.

If you work for a corporation, you already qualify to join me in my "low life".
Almost all corporations are made up of thieves and criminals.
Relax, you'll get used to the stinch soon.

You seem to be having a serious cognitive dissonance. You described, in some detail, how your ruthless criminal friends were stealing from innocent individuals. Confronted with that, you are now spewing some anti-corporate propaganda. These dots don't connect, dude, and if you are a swine, no amount of resentment towards corporations will turn you into a decent human being. Especially if it's OK for you to steal from Salvation Army. I only wish your moronic friends were caught in the act and got some bone adjustment from owners of cars from which they stole.

Reply to RedParrotHead...

"Your advice is terrible.
Also, you do know that Christopher McCandless died at 24 years old, don't you? Alone for sure and most likely terrified."

Well, the advice is free.

As for the photo - I honestly don't know anything at all about the person in the photo; I just pulled the photo off the internet because I found the caption comical. Sounds like I made a mistake - sorry about that.

reply to post by buddhasystem


You couldn't be more wrong:

The largest employer in the entire world is moving ahead with plans to replace most its Chinese employees with Robots.

news.xinhuanet.com...

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Sounds like you have bought and swallowed all the coporate Kool-Aid.
Your corporate elites will be proud of your message, as they devour the last of your wealth.

What do "corporate elites" have to with trivial and mean thievery committed by your criminal friends? They hurt other people and you are proud for them? Sheesh. What a bunch of low lives.

If you work for a corporation, you already qualify to join me in my "low life".
Almost all corporations are made up of thieves and criminals.
Relax, you'll get used to the stinch soon.

You seem to be having a serious cognitive dissonance. You described, in some detail, how your ruthless criminal friends were stealing from innocent individuals. Confronted with that, you are now spewing some anti-corporate propaganda. These dots don't connect, dude, and if you are a swine, no amount of resentment towards corporations will turn you into a decent human being. Especially if it's OK for you to steal from Salvation Army. I only wish your moronic friends were caught in the act and got some bone adjustment from owners of cars from which they stole.

My, my you must get control of yourself.

Confronting reality is not for everyone.

My friend did not steal from anyone.

Hitchhikers were asked to chip in on the gas.

The Salvation Army was there to do what they did.

Typical ATS....pages and pages of useless dribble.......

Originally posted by tom1701
Typical ATS....pages and pages of useless dribble.......

What did your post add to the discussion?

I've been out of work since February. After weeks of dutifully applying to open job positions and getting nowhere, I decided to try to entrpreneur my own, little one-man business. I started tapping into my savings and methodically preparing for my business launch.

With no business partners or employees, no loans, and no investors, I'm doing what they call "bootstrapping" my little business which means basically a "pay as you go" start-up. I've been paying all my suppliers up front so that when I launch (soon) all the risk is on me and no one else.

I am my own factory. I myself craft what I'm selling and I do my own marketing, customer service, packing and shipping.

Wish me luck. During all of this start-my-own-business thing, I have continued to apply to 5 or more jobs per week. I have found that the jobs market is worse than it has ever been in my lifetime, almost impossible. If the launch works, I will have created a new financial way out of my earn-a-living-to-pay-the-bills problems and will no longer have to look for the traditional job.

Anything the U.S. Congress could do to help the little guy entrepreneur like me with tax breaks would be greatly appreciated. Instead of placating the big corporations, the govt could encourage unemployed people to become freelancers and/or micro-entrpreneurs and do what they can to help that scene. If America is about independence and freedom, those of us who have the skills can hire ourselves by starting our own businesses. That's what I'm trying to do, anyway.

Interviewing for a job is like trying to persuade the master to take on a slave. Company managers usually regard employees as lesser human beings. It's degrading.

Time to try going on my own. The wage slave thing? Been there, done that, over and over and over.

Originally posted by the4thhorseman
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

The concept of nobody having to work for their survival is appealing initially, but the truth is that it's physically impossible without having someone (or something) else do all the work for you. You can currently achieve this goal by either winning the lottery, or working your a$$ off to get rich while you're still young enough to enjoy the freedom that money has to offer.

Call it what you want greed, selfishness or anything. People will not work for free. Certain skills are needed to accomplish certain tasks. These tasks or a better word for it "jobs" are needed to survive. Survival IS a job whether you get paid for it or not. We all have to work to live just not live to work.

There are those of us with out work and there are those of us who do not want to work. There I guess is where we would have to draw the line. You either work to survive or not at all. There are those of us that are too willing to let others take up their slack. It's human nature..we want things easier..if not we would not push for better technology to make our life's better.

Let a Machine survive for us.

I'm glad you agree. I'm actually very surprised that so many people responding in this thread fail to acknowledge that no matter what, they're STILL going to have to WORK to survive. Somebody has to, otherwise we die. There's no easy way around it, not until we have machines do all the work.