Job! Jobs! Jobs! Cheering on our own slavery. Employment bubble popped. Fight against work.

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by clearmind
i belive it is a purposefull dumbing down of society..keep the masses too busy to be concernd about the world, learning useless skill sets that only pertain to thier individual jobs and have no real use outside of that job...........

I'd like to know who started this dumbing down. It seems to have started with the schools and the media. It seems the people perpetuated it by demanding less mental stimulation. Somewhere along the line, the "work ethic" was promoted as god. If we thought the job market was full of useless jobs, we were lazy communists. Country music, patriotism, and religion bloomed. We were masterfully programmed us to make us want to fight for our slavery.

Another one who has figured it out.

Oh my, you are a threat to the Banksters, I'm afraid.

reply to post by starsyren


i totally agree with you. i feel stuck too, how do we get out of this ? ive been looking into an off the grid community project for some time now, but still seems like you need money to get started, what can we do, so we dont have to rely on money anymore, and can still provide for ourselves ? im always looking for a way around this, would love to get myself a nice piece of land to get started, but once again i need quite a bit of money to do this, and i cant seem to get it. now what ? lol

A friend related a story to me many years ago that illustrates how you can "get by" without much.

He and a friend took off on a cross country trip in a junker car. They had $13 between them. They had a syphon hose in the trunk for "emergencies" when the gas ran low. They slept in the car. They also picked up hitch-hikers and hit them up for gas money. When the $13 ran out they decided to get food and a shower by going to the Salvation Army in each town on the way. This required that they "get saved" several times though. When they got near to the end of the trip the cars tranny gave out in the mountains and they pushed it over a cliff and hitch-hiked the rest of the way.

With a little planning and some moxy, all things are possible.

reply to post by doctornamtab


For the longest time I've wanted most jobs to be destroyed. But, if I said that on ATS I'd be crucified. Thanks for saying it in a way that makes sense. Most jobs are a complete joke accomplishing nothing. You've put my main complaint about the world better than anyone else.

But what's better than the complaint is a solution. I strongly support free markets and strongly believe the government does not have what it takes to do anything of value. If you want something done, then do it your self. The bottom line is that people who wait for the government to solve their problems will be waiting forever. These issues we have today of starvation are totally solvable like you say because the issue has been solved a very long time ago with heavy machinery. The way we can solve today's social problems is by getting together on a voluntary basis and doing what it takes without using violence, or asking our "leaders" to commit violence on our behalf.

The make-work projects do just that... prolong our slavery, all while perpetuating economic disaster. We have to bring quality back to the workplace. And last I checked, the US government wasn't the source of quality products and services. Yet that is who most people look to in order to "make everything better". Its ridiculous. And the government says we're a Democracy. Well in a democracy, you don't look to the government for the solution. You look to your self first and then get together with your neighbours and your community. As for writing some far away mafia thug in politics called a "congressman" to get your problem solved, lets not be suckers any more. Life does not work that way.

Originally posted by BeyondPerception
Does Obama even know how to create a job?...

You need to start a business first.

The focus should be on helping start-ups and entrepreneurs.

I'm confused why you are saying this. The American Jobs Act gives tax cuts to small businesses. And any extra jobs the business adds are an additional tax cut. Also, hiring the long-term unemployed and veterans who have been out of work for 6-months or longer will see additional tax cuts for the businesses.

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by doobydoll
People like you make me sick, with your higher than mighty attitude to people out of work and trying to live. You're just pissed off because you aren't able to live without cars, holidays, and top-of-the-range rubbish you think you need.

You tend to presume an awful lot, dear. Did you see my car, and what it "top-of-the range" stuff in my house? Did you? How do you know my employment history, whether or not I worked on a farm when I was 14, and a bazillion other things that you have no way of knowing?

So go ahead and pat yourself on the back for getting into subsidized housing and enjoying your newly found freedom, while feeling "sick" when looking at people who actually work.

Let me tell you something, dear. I don't really give a rat's poont what you may or may not have.

But you do, dear, because you went ahead and painted a picture of a greedy geek who goes to work because they need the latest iPhone! You post an absurdity first, then say you don't give a "rat's poont". What gives?

You come across to be under the impression that people who suddenly find themselves unemployed are all scrounging scumbags who should be left to starve with nowhere to live.

Once again, you are making things up, and you aren't very good at that. I pointed out that your housing is subsidized by other people's taxes. You also congratulated yourself on that. That's the blunt truth, and that's that. I never said that you need to be starved or anything.

I have worked all my adult life in various jobs to make a living for me and my kids.

How does that make you unique?

What took a lifetime to earn - my home, my savings, was all took away from me in 6 months once I lost my job. The evidence of a lifetime of work, ALL gone in just 6 months.

This is what you wrote:

My home was repo'd last month, I had no savings

First you say you had no savings, and apparently your had a mortgage so didn't actually own your house. Then you say that "a lifetime of work" (sounds like a lot), and your savings "was took away" from you (sic), as well as the house. What is the truth here?

And those 3 kids of yours can't help you out?

Originally posted by romanmel
He and a friend took off on a cross country trip in a junker car. They had $13 between them. They had a syphon hose in the trunk for "emergencies" when the gas ran low. They slept in the car. They also picked up hitch-hikers and hit them up for gas money.

So what you are saying they were stealing other people's gas and reselling it. A lot of people they stole from probably didn't have much money themselves and needed that gas to get to work. Your friend is a disgusting POS.

When the $13 ran out they decided to get food and a shower by going to the Salvation Army in each town on the way. This required that they "get saved" several times though.

So they stole resources from people who really fell on hard time. Score two.

When they got near to the end of the trip the cars tranny gave out in the mountains and they pushed it over a cliff and hitch-hiked the rest of the way.

So they felt compelled to create a junkyard in pristine mountains by dumping their car with all the pollutants that come with it. What jerks!

With a little planning and some moxy, all things are possible.

Looks like what you call "moxy" is just being a callous mofo.

Originally posted by CaptChaos
You are all retarded.

Insult seems to be the major weapon of those who defend the status quo.

Originally posted by doctornamtab
Yeah we need jobs. As much as we need a prison sentence. I hate jobs. Not just my job - its actually pretty sweet. But the effect of the job itself is what makes jobs such an awful nuisance to modern man.

I am a workaholic.

You are preaching to the wrong person.

If you want to go live off the land just go do it, no one is stopping you. For most people that existence is not enough though. I believe most people want modern conveniences and nice things but just don't want to have to work for it, me either but until that system comes I will do what it takes to have the lifestyle i want. And I don't think its fair that I have to pay for those that won't.

I have always thought along the same lines as what is presented by the OP. It is a form of slavery no doubt, covert slavery that is dressed up by bread and circus. Not only is it a form a slavery, but it is a form of disconnection from interaction between communities. We are taught that the person next door is a stranger that will either rape you, molest your children, or out compete you for your job. We are taught survival of the fittest which then gets applied to our social interactions. Distrust arises from that.

We cannot raise children anymore because both parents are so tired each working a job just to keep rent and food under wraps. They have no time to raise their children so they get raised by wage earning teachers, other children, afterschool babysitter and hours upon hours of spongbob. When they get to their teenage years they are consumed by a materialistic outlook spoon fed to them by the brainwashing done by tv, music and the internet.

It's a web that doesn't just affect one aspect of society. I thought yesterday, what exactly is the definition of poverty? Is it a lack of money? Or is it a lack of being able to feed yourself? Most of the time both things are linked, but what if you could grow your own food and build your own shelter? If people were able to barter for clothing, what else would be needed? Why are countries in places like Africa, South America, and South East Asia starving? Why would they not be able to grow their own food, is it a lack of knowledge, a lack of fertile ground, or restrictions put in by their own "government"? If no money existed how would life continue? How would interactions be made, and what would be needed for one's survival?

When it comes down to it, the money system is all about dependence. Dependence of the wage earners on the elite.

Originally posted by geryon
If you want to go live off the land just go do it, no one is stopping you. For most people that existence is not enough though. I believe most people want modern conveniences and nice things but just don't want to have to work for it, me either but until that system comes I will do what it takes to have the lifestyle i want. And I don't think its fair that I have to pay for those that won't.

edit on 14-9-2011 by geryon because: add

I would be all about living off the land and doing my best to be self sustainable. However, let's face facts, in order to live off the land you actually need to own the land. How many people these days own a decent piece of land that they could farm and raise animals on?

Originally posted by doobydoll
reply to post by doctornamtab

 

Fabulous post - S&F

I was fired from my job in January because my car broke down, and I needed a car to actually do the job, I was a delivery driver. I am 53 and no matter what job I applied for I never even got any response from any of them. My home was repo'd last month, I had no savings, but I did have an occupational pension of £360 per month which I became entitled to when my late husband died over 20 years ago.

Surely, I thought, one cannot live on £360 per month, can they? I had to try.

I contacted my local authority to ask for social housing and related my predicament, only to be told I wasn't priority (immigrants and single mums are priority) and I would have to rent privately. I approached my MP who wrote a letter to the local housing authority to support me, and I also contacted the local press, all this placed pressure on the housing authority to help me. After 6 weeks of my badgering them through one way or another I was at last offered a home.

I pay minimal rent, minimal council tax, I buy cheaper brand food and never buy more than I need, I am careful with how I use gas and electricity, I don't ever go out socialising, but guess what? I am living on £360 per month! Ok I don't have luxuries, but I have found I can live without them. I don't need a car - I have legs that work just fine. I don't need a new TV - the old one shows the same TV prog's as a new one would. I don't need luxury, fancy food to survive - I don't starve without these things. That is all they are, just THINGS. I walk my dog more often than I used to in order to get out of the house - my dog and I are much healthier getting out in the fresh air several times a day.

All this I benefit from since I lost my job, and instead of wallowing in self-pity and feeling like life isn't worth living just because I cannot buy things, I have found my life is much more relaxed and slower, and I have begun to appreciate the things in life that money cannot buy - life, love and nature.

There IS a life without the things you don't need.

I am happy living a simple life - and it feels great to be off the treadmill.

Glad your so happy. I and many like me pay for your life.

Your welcome.

Here are zeitgeist addedum and zeitgeist moving forward movies if you haven't seen them. If you find some truth in what the OP said, these 2 movies will blow your mind. Must watch !

I've been trying to figure out how to put all this into words myself, but I couldn't have done it nearly as well as you did. Hey, seriously, you should really print this out and put it on bulletin boards and stuff. At least write a letter to the editor and put it in the newspaper where you live. No matter what a person's stance on religion, politics, war, etc. one of the few things almost everyone in this country has in common is our animosity towards whatever job we have. ALL of us need to find common ground to rally around each other if we're going to change anything, and here it is. It made my skin crawl watching the debate and listening to that seven-headed monster talk about creating jobs. The only candidate whose thoughts I wanted to hear was, of course, skipped over that round. We all know what kind of jobs they'll create: government jobs; 12-hour-a-day, 7-day-a-week factory jobs turning natural resources into a bunch of crap that nobody needs; sitting in a cubicle staring at a computer screen all day giving yourself carpal tunnel syndrome. And if nobody's hiring, JOIN THE MILITARY!

reply to post by 2manyquestions

The concept of nobody having to work for their survival is appealing initially, but the truth is that it's physically impossible without having someone (or something) else do all the work for you. You can currently achieve this goal by either winning the lottery, or working your a$$ off to get rich while you're still young enough to enjoy the freedom that money has to offer.

Call it what you want greed, selfishness or anything. People will not work for free. Certain skills are needed to accomplish certain tasks. These tasks or a better word for it "jobs" are needed to survive. Survival IS a job whether you get paid for it or not. We all have to work to live just not live to work.

There are those of us with out work and there are those of us who do not want to work. There I guess is where we would have to draw the line. You either work to survive or not at all. There are those of us that are too willing to let others take up their slack. It's human nature..we want things easier..if not we would not push for better technology to make our life's better.

Let a Machine survive for us.

Originally posted by hundredreas0ns
reply to post by starsyren

 

i totally agree with you. i feel stuck too, how do we get out of this ? ive been looking into an off the grid community project for some time now, but still seems like you need money to get started, what can we do, so we dont have to rely on money anymore, and can still provide for ourselves ? im always looking for a way around this, would love to get myself a nice piece of land to get started, but once again i need quite a bit of money to do this, and i cant seem to get it. now what ? lol

I know exactly how you feel. I agree with the idea of an off the grid community. I think an individual or family could go it alone but it would be very difficult to say the least. In a small community each person could focus on their skill set and contribute. It would be very similar to how the American Indians lived a few hundred years ago. I guess the question would be if living like this would make us feel happier and unstuck.

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extremely weak excuse, there is a lot of land in the US that no one wants, if it doesnt have access to utilities it is dirt cheap, if this is your dream its very easy to accomplish, go make it happen

there is a reason hippy communes dissappeared

Here's a summary of how "society" cycles...

1. Everyone provides for themselves (works) or they die.
2. Groups form to provide safety - tasks become shared but everyone contributes (works) or they're banished and they die.
3. Recognized superior skills lead to specialization, division of labor, and bartering - everyone contributes (works) or they're banished and they die.
4. Group flourishes and grows on the minds of the smart people and the backs of the strong people (both work) - some are taken care by the group.
5. The smart people makes everyone's work easier and more efficient - more are taken care of by the group (less work).
6. Less and less workers are needed until no one needs to work at anything - all are taken care of by the groups creations (none work).
7. Their creations do everything - people become dependent on their creations for everything.
8. Group flourishes and grows, and grows and grows...
9. Their creations breakdown for some inevitable reason.
10. Go back to #1.