Job! Jobs! Jobs! Cheering on our own slavery. Employment bubble popped. Fight against work.

reply to post by doctornamtab


Well, I think you have to have jobs to keep everyone from just using all resources and being lasy. But I think you should be paid adequately and the prices of things suited to the paygrade (affordable), so that everyone can be successful. However, right now, this is truly slavery, in that, you have to work 2-3 jobs sometimes, and you still can't make ends meet or get the bare essentials. You can thank the Rockefellers and International Bankers like Ben Bernanke for this.As far as Obama is concerned, all he does is talk and nothing more. Who still listens? He is like one of those self-help hypnotic CD's put out by Anthony Robbins, Everything he says is like a ray of sunshine and sounds pleasing to the ears,......but it's just not really gonna happen. It's all just promotional b.s. It is meant to sound so insiprational that you will not question it, but after so many years, it's hard to keep up the facade of change,....at least change for the better. Nothing but lies,...Obama was just netter at it than most.

reply to post by doctornamtab


Welcome to survival 101. If all the animals in the kingdom have to fight for their food I think it is only fair we should as well. Plus being at home for more than 10 hours a day is a curse. Right now, I work and so time is very precious and dear to me. If I didn't have work I would be bored within 1 weeks time.

Although I wouldn't miss having to wake up at 5 am.

Nice post TS. I have been feeling like this since I'm 17 and have been avoiding work since then. It is utterly and completely pointless what we are trying to maintain, I'm an easy person that needs little to be content, I have no ambitions other then trying to enjoy the small moments.

Originally posted by GenerationGap
OP you are so right. I work as an AI engineer for a company that designs automated robotical systems. In fact, we are on to something BIG. I have recently come up with an algorythm that will revolutionize the entire AI concept and no one would ever have to work again.

But screw it, you're right OP. Why should I go to work so that others reap the benfits of my labors? What so I can buy a boat or a house in the Hamptons? You are right, that's for losers.

I'm quitting to live in a cabin in the woods. No better yet, a treehouse in Yellowstone National Park overlooking a lake. It's what I've always actually wanted anyway; I've just been cursed with this work ethic and artificially created idea that if I bring benefits to society I'm rewarded by those benefits with benefits. That system sucks.

Good thing you convinced me of this now, in 6 months it would have been too late and everyone would have been benefitting from my intellect and long late nights coding. And for what? To make other people's lives more bearable? That's for losers.

On a side note, and speaking of bears, are there any wild animals I should be aware of in Yellowstone? If so, can they climb trees? Are there any tools someone can give me to make my treehouse? I'll probably also need someone to build it for me. If I hadn't just quit my job I woud have given you money for it, or in 6 months had a robot do it. Outside of my mathematical programming and software logic skills I'm pretty useless. Maybe someone here will do it for me if I give you a kiss? I really like this system.

I think you don't get the idea. No one is asking you to quit doing what you like to do, designing AI or whatever. The idea is to provide for the basic needs of everyone for free, and that means for you too. No jobs doesn't mean no work, but no jobs means that your survival isn't tied to your job or the money you get from that job. And since you are not alone on this planet and that others will also have their basic needs satisfied, they will also continue to do what they like to do and they will provide you with what they produce or with their services, just like you will contribute to the advancement of AI technology. Everything you do would benefit everyone, and everything everyone is doing will benefit you. That's the true meaning of cooperation, and it is time that we truly cooperate for the advancement of our species.

If today people are lazy, it's because they know that they have to do boring things in stupid jobs just for survival. The human brain is not designed to be lazy, but it is designed to explore, to research, to understand, to create. Children know that very well, but as they grow they learn that in order to survive they have to get money, and so they forget all their dreams and curiosity, and they start to focus on one thing : getting money.

All the great discoveries or inventions in science haven't been made because of the incentive of money, but because of the beauty of the creation process. Look for example at the open source in software, look at all those volunteers around the world doing things for FREE. It's incredible. That's our true nature, because even when it is hard to survive, we still do things for free for others. But we have the obstacle of "getting money for survival", and we have to get rid of it. Survival is in our genes, we can kill just to survive, it's a powerful mechanism, so until we find a way to satisfy that instinct for the biggest majority, we will be stuck in the current situation. We have to chose : evolve or survive, as we can't do both at the same time, we can't work for the advancement of the whole species if in the same time we fight to survive.

Nothing in these world is "free" my friend. For some reason we people talk about the rich and the poor they seem to forget theres a middle class too. So heres my beef with your system, we free ourselves form "slavery" in order to allow someone else to take care of us? You can't be free if you're dependent on some magical force that will somehow provide everything for you. Look nobody is going to volunteer for anything if they just get it for free. Another thing is, that thing your using right the personal computer, wouldn't have been sold to you in a your socialists, Communist whatever society, also the thousands of other luxury good we all have.

Materialism isn't a bad thing, if you have a good product, well dear god man sell it. Thats how a lot of our modern day comforts come form and I like them, doesn't mean I allow my possessions to own me or anything like that, just means I like talking to my family on my phone, browsing the interwebs, and getting a cool coke(Just an example wouldn't drink the sludge) form the fridge.

I do agree with some things though, a lot of our jobs our useless. We need to modernize and update our working world. These is the era of lighting speed information, just look to all the websites just like ATS here that make a profit providing a service through the Internet. We need to shift our jobs from labor to creativity and intelligence. How do we do that? Start at the schools, the need to start preparing kids for the modern world, not the world of yesteryear. We have some fantastic technology but were failing to utilize it.

The worst offenders of this is the Government. The post office is on its last limb, hell it should have died out probable 5 years ago, the useless forms and bureaucracy. I know theres prolly more that I can add just can't think of any out the top of my head right now.

Originally posted by Mcupobob
Nothing in these world is "free" my friend. For some reason we people talk about the rich and the poor they seem to forget theres a middle class too. So heres my beef with your system, we free ourselves form "slavery" in order to allow someone else to take care of us? You can't be free if you're dependent on some magical force that will somehow provide everything for you. Look nobody is going to volunteer for anything if they just get it for free. Another thing is, that thing your using right the personal computer, wouldn't have been sold to you in a your socialists, Communist whatever society, also the thousands of other luxury good we all have.

Materialism isn't a bad thing, if you have a good product, well dear god man sell it. Thats how a lot of our modern day comforts come form and I like them, doesn't mean I allow my possessions to own me or anything like that, just means I like talking to my family on my phone, browsing the interwebs, and getting a cool coke(Just an example wouldn't drink the sludge) form the fridge.

I do agree with some things though, a lot of our jobs our useless. We need to modernize and update our working world. These is the era of lighting speed information, just look to all the websites just like ATS here that make a profit providing a service through the Internet. We need to shift our jobs from labor to creativity and intelligence. How do we do that? Start at the schools, the need to start preparing kids for the modern world, not the world of yesteryear. We have some fantastic technology but were failing to utilize it.

The worst offenders of this is the Government. The post office is on its last limb, hell it should have died out probable 5 years ago, the useless forms and bureaucracy. I know theres prolly more that I can add just can't think of any out the top of my head right now.

Imagine what would happen if all those different companies selling phones were working together to build the best phone ever created, with the best technology we have today. That phone would surely be nearly indestructible, it would outlive you or me. If we cooperate, those "luxury goods" that you talk about would look rubbish compared to what we would be able to create and use. But, again, people don't care about cooperation because they are to busy surviving.

reply to post by gosseyn


I don't know about you but I'm getting by just fine with extra. You trying to make it sound like the majority of Americans are scraping by with no food or shelter, those things aren't that heard to come by. All need to and this may shock you, is work to get it. Now is that really so wrong? To expect that if you have an Idea, product or service you can exchange it for currency to buy whatever you want? Or use said currency to help whoever you want?

Now heres on to your phone question. The reason we don't have these hypothetical super phones your talking about is because nobodies come up with one to sell it. Another thing, why would all these phone companies in your hypothetical society want to make a super phone? The have every thing they need to get by, why put into the system if its perfect, and theres no need to make it? In capitalist society someone will invent said super phone to make money.

Look it all sounds fine and dandy to say well how about just start living in the future right now! No more work for anyone! Resources will be infinite and robots will do everything! Where just not there yet.

EDIT: Forgot to point this one out here. In your system, we wouldn't be free to choose what food we got just whats given. In your system we wouldn't be free to choose what doctors or health care we want, just whats given. In your system we wouldn't be free to choose our eduction just whats given. In your system we wouldn't be free to choose where we live, just whats given. This is the evils of dependency, you aren't free your just given.

You also really exaggerate this whole survival thing here. People get along just fine with working and there are "entitlements" but into place to ensure people don't starve, yes it still happens but its not a perfect system. Just like capitalism isn't and just like socialism isn't.

It is therefore my personal belief that the human race , should be bio engineered so that we have photosynthesising bacteria or cells in our skin so that we can harness the energy of the sun , without much requirement for food.

This if done correctly would alter dramatically our dependence on solid food.
People all over the world would be able to get energy from just walking outside.

we have apparently already had our DNA altered so many times by aliens , that this would be the next logical step , and would most likely save our planet from starvation , we would no longer need to kill animals or farm vast quantities of vegetables . all we would have to do is just make sure not to have a nuclear winter to block out the sun .

Symbiosis already works in nature. a post about a sea slug here on ATS , was shown that it had ate that much algae that it has eventually developed a symbiosis with the algae and now it no longer has to eat to survive , it can develop energy through photosynthesis .

I believe that this would bring the human race closer to harmony with nature

The economic system IS fixed. There is a power elite that regularly steals our wealth after it has accumulated a bit. Sock away some investments in your 401k and watch it decline when there is a bailout for Banksters.

This is simple.

The Banksters want your accumulated wealth.

They construct a "financial emergency" and have congress (whom they own) pass a bill.

The money flows freely to the Banksters while your 401k "investment" plummets in value.

No one puts two and two together.

The elite Banksters look upon it as a simple "withdraw of funds" from their serfs.

The serfs are encouraged to "invest" even more into their 401k

Rewind and replay...Rewind and replay...Rewind and replay...

Great thread! S&F!

That was very nicely put together, easy to follow and I agree with you OP, everything in our society seems to be backwards so it all makes sense.

Funny you'd think that the great government and financial officials would know all this but still they're jamming the whole "job creation" thing down our throats, it's almost like they want to make the world worse.. oh wait..

Am I the only one who's really starting to think there's ganna be a revolution in the next couple years?

I think I understand how this would work. Say you make ipods right? You are good at making ipods and you enjoy making ipods. The ipods you make are being handed out to everyone that wants an ipod so you're thinking "well what do I get in return for making all these ipods?" but then you realize that the guy down the street is good at building houses. The guy next to him is good at making tvs. Some other guy is good at hunting while another enjoys preparing food. So you make ipods because you enjoy it not because you have to just like the guy that likes to build houses because he also enjoys it (yes some people actually do like to build things). You dont make any money but you do have shelter, food and a brand new tv because other people are contributing and doing what they like to do just like you. In a sense all you're doing is eliminating the 'middle man' (money) while at the same time ensuring that everyone on the planet has exactly what they need not only to survive but to thrive.

So what happens when someone takes advantage of the system and just sits on their but all day doing nothing but watching their free tv? I dont think it would be any different than it is today. You will always have people that live off of what other people do. Welfare is a great example of this. But to be honest why is this a problem? Thats what they enjoy doing just like you enjoy being creative making ipods. One day you might say "im sick of making ipods" and you would rather help Bob make tvs. Well then off you go. Some people like to teach. Some people like to cook. And some people like to sit on their but all day and get drunk. But guess what? We have 9 billion people on this planet. Thats more than enough to get the job done.

Basically, if everyone had everything nobody would want anything. The problem is, who cleans the toilets?

I would like a society without money, where free food and shelter was handed out to every person, but in return every person would help out in the community 3 hours per day, jobs would be roated every week so you are picking up new skills all the time and you would be constantly learning, i believe this would be a healthy fullfilling lifestyle to live

reply to post by buddhasystem


Finally someone with some sense.

I thought I was about to be alone.

All well and good but you want everything now, so you buy on credit. Buying on credit immediatly enslaves you, but didn't you know that? You want your PC and internet, imidiate gratification, that enslaves you, who is being unrelentingly used? Your cell phone rings and you leap to answer it, and feel amiss or naked without it, or a certain anxiety when it's no on your hip or pocket or purse or wherever. You don't want to work........... well guess what, the whole of humanity hasn't wanted to work since millenea before Pharoh, actually since Able and Cain. You still want the hot lover and hot car and luxurious life, so what you espouse here is plain old hypocracy. OR Socalism...!

reply to post by doctornamtab


Op, so what you propose is for all of us to sit on our butts and live in a socialist utopia where no one works yet everyone gets payment in some form.

In everything, there must be an exchange of energies.

Someone must grow the crops and make our things.

Robots? Fine.

who will make and service them? Will they do it for free? Dont think so.

You have someone that needs some work around your house. Your not likely to get help from too many people to do it for free.

If you are meaning the crap jobs being some of the last in town, I can partly agree with you. These were never meant to support a family...yet some folks are.

We need to ship ALL illegals home and return our factories. Reducing regulation that hampers job creation would be a bonus as well. All this BS about the govt. creating jobs is stupid. Not their job. They ONLY set up the stage to make fertile conditions for jobs.


While some of us older folks may seem like dinosaurs to you, some of us actually take pride in our work. Do we expect a fair wage? Damn straight.

You can go have a test run at a commune with a few friends. See how long yall last without someone working.

reply to post by romanmel
LOL..... just eat a bit of fertalizer every once in a while???

Originally posted by Plotus
reply to post by romanmel

 

LOL..... just eat a bit of fertalizer every once in a while???

Certainly.

Just don't stop and think.

That could create a problem for the Banksters.

Someone might get pissed and revolt.

Not likely.

reply to post by romanmel
You are right, but it's not just our 401Ks, it's everything that is traded or produced or any wealth imagined or real. There are a few on the top of the pyramid who everything else trickles up to. The rest from there on down toil to continue the upward flow. Unfortunately, the vast majority on the bottom who hold up the top must break their backs to keep the machine turning. This has always been this way since we have banded together as a society.

Read 'The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. Things are still the same. Link to the online book:

sunsite.berkeley.edu...[/url]

A little OPPPPSSSSSS moment, wrong post, here's where it belongs.... a little fertalizer every once in a while to go with that photosynthisis....


It is therefore my personal belief that the human race , should be bio engineered so that we have photosynthesising bacteria or cells in our skin so that we can harness the energy of the sun , without much requirement for food.

This if done correctly would alter dramatically our dependence on solid food.
People all over the world would be able to get energy from just walking outside.

we have apparently already had our DNA altered so many times by aliens , that this would be the next logical step , and would most likely save our planet from starvation , we would no longer need to kill animals or farm vast quantities of vegetables . all we would have to do is just make sure not to have a nuclear winter to block out the sun .

Symbiosis already works in nature. a post about a sea slug here on ATS , was shown that it had ate that much algae that it has eventually developed a symbiosis with the algae and now it no longer has to eat to survive , it can develop energy through photosynthesis .

I believe that this would bring the human race closer to harmony with nature

How does one fight against work ?