Do you have a relationship with the creator of the universe?

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by randyvs

 

Dear randyvys,

God did not destroy Sodom because of the evil people there, he destroyed it because there were no loving or good people there. Same for Pharaoh, he had no love in him for the Jews (tell me where it says that he did). Pharaoh and others were allowed to harden their hearts, it is called free will. Do you believe in free will but not in God or do you believe in God but not free will?

I'm sorry could you rephrase this please? I don't think I'm following you.

reply to post by Komodo


Awesome response my friend! Truly peaceable and gentle! Me thinks if Hydroman truly turned his back on God then he would not have started this thread.

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You are correct to question and be on the skeptical side. It is possible to know a bit about the purpose of God but that's all. In order to do this it is necessary to develop a quiet mind and learn to set aside any expectations. Become harmless in every sense of the word. Then, just when you think it's to no avail, a bit of light will appear.

Gods [always talk to their "chosen ones" and NEVER to the whole of human race. Why is that? Well, they specifically select low-intelligent preferably illiterate and naive people to pass their programming to. That's how it was 4000 years ago with biblical patriarchs, and that's how it is today with new-agers. Also, nowadays they use channeling primarily because we are too smart for them to walk freely on earth.
Wake up! How long will you be subject to ET conspirators aka gods of old? They are not creators of the Universe. At least no more than you are.

Yeah, I get kicks with atoms all the time.

The notorious and much feared double post.

I believe the creator of the universe hasnt even been born yet, so i suppose he/she could be one of my grandkids.

Originally posted by Hydroman
reply to post by Komodo

 

Those were kind words, thank you. When you heard this whisper, how do you know it was a god speaking to you? Does he speak to you like that all the time? If not, why not? Why didn't it kill you when he spoke to you, as another believer stated?

how do you know it was a god speaking to you?

EXCELLENT question~! I get this all the time actually LOL.. I didn't at first, I'd have to backtrack a bit to know how it was God. You see, my childhood was filled with abuse, no mother or father to raise me, bounced around from foster home to foster home till i was 8yrs old.

Then my uncle and aunt adopted me, which I thought .FINALLY someone I can call family; that was FAR from it~! The abuse continued for next 11 years of my life. Fast forward, sitting in my real mom's living room, she was upstairs watching t.v. and the only other person was in the kitchen, which a long hallway separated the living room/dining rooms and the back half of the house was the big kitchen..

After listening to a person tell me that God was like a Father, that He will ALWAYS be there to pick us up before we fall and even though after we fall, he'll still be there.

I was in total shock that he said this because I had NO idea what that even ment, even more shocked that he even mentioned it since he didn't know any of my past, we barely talked to each other (mostly because I was very racist against African Americans)

As he went into the kitchen, I was sitting on the couch and heard a voice call me by my real name and say "...if you trust me, I can be the Father you never had"

At this very moment, I shouted out to Joseph, the guy staying with us temporarily, and said.. "what did you say !!" He shouted back.. "Nothing~!!".. I pause a moment.......thinking about what I had heard... so again I said.. "Did you say anything? ~!!" ......he replied.."NO.. !".........paused again .. and then walked to the kitchen and looked directly at him and said..

"did you call my name like 20 secs ago~!!!" he looked at me and said.. " (my real name)... I never said a word ..why? "......I told him I had to go to bed.. "it was 9;30pm and never went to bed at that time.. ever. In my bedroom, I knelt down (first time ever~!!!) and said.. "God, if this is you, and you can do what you said you would if I trust you, I'll give you my life. I'm sorry for anything I've done whether or not I knew it at the time"

As I sat there a moment and wept for the first time in my life (I was 20 yrs old at the time) I didn't think I'd ever stop .. when 10secs later, i just stopped. got up and went to bed. The next morning, it was like...........the entire world was no long a concern, the anger, and loneliness was completely gone.

I KNEW that was GOD~! Who else could have called me by name with no one else in the room? LOL it was a truely a burning bush experience~!

Does he speak to you like that all the time?

yes, for 30 years, but, after awhile, you just know someone's voice because you talked to them on a regular basis. I can't say I didn't my spankings for doing things AFTER I was a Christian, heck I was 20, and when I hit 21..........wow~! But, even then, I found myself in tears talking to my Heavenly Father, and more often than not, I feel his touch on my heart and tell me .. "(name) .. you know that's not doing you any good.. remember?" and I could feel his love as I did the very first time.. it's God's way of giving me a hug.

Why didn't it kill you when he spoke to you, as another believer stated?

Contrary to popular belief, God is NOT some big Ogre in the sky waiting to crush us like a ant for taking a wrong turn~!! The TRUE Chriistian message is ...........and everyone quotes it .. but no one really believes it.. .

"Because God, SO love the world, he gave the only thing that was truely his own away, that whoever should believe in him will not perish, but have everlasting life."

Originally posted by GiantKiller
reply to post by Komodo

 

Awesome response my friend! Truly peaceable and gentle! Me thinks if Hydroman truly turned his back on God then he would not have started this thread.

thx you GiantKiller. yes, I agree 100%, it's one thing to earnestly ask an honest question hoping for an answer, entirely different to ask a quesiton not caring for the truth either way~!

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Yep,definitely took the words outta my mouth~!! Excellent~! I feel you GK, it's like telling a story which is true, but SO unbelievable that ........ it just can't be true... because it's sooooo unbelievable and therefore we can't believe it. WOW.. !!! but all it really takes is .........the grain of a mustard seed......and the mountain of unbelief will go bye bye.

One of these days i'm going to write a story to explain that one.

Love you brother~!!

reply to post by Hydroman


Hi Hydroman...

The creator persona is one of duality. Here, on our planet, we have the basic concept of master-student, saviour-victim...the duality premise of there having to always be 2 sides to make something 'matter'. We know this is so because energy, our basic make-up/fabric of our essence, fluctuates between 2 polarities...without polarity you have no potential...and without potential you have no capacity to invoke any experience of 'life.

If you accept that the concept of 'creator' is firstly set within the above, that it is a religious/mystical/spritual concept in the first place and that we first accept this basis for discussion...then I continue. If we remove the religious/mystic/spiritual, then you wont be having this thread in the first place and the concept of 'creator' would not be coming up for discussion.

This said the definition of said creator is one of omnipotence. Of being everywhere, yet nowhere. This premise came forth because we know from our own experience, through the last bit of recorded human history at least, that you can only bring forth something you already know about. I.e....you don't know what you don't know...its quite a biggy this latter point an worth a ponder on its own...

In this context then, the Creator being 'knows' about everything that 'IS' and can thus be a part of every-'thing'..yet nowhere since the creation is FROM the creator being setting forth the premise of duality in the first place...thus creator being is everywhere yet no-where because creator being form the very fabric of what we see as all life. the universe and everything (Douglas Adams - Hitch-hikers guide to the galaxy ;-) )

With this in mind...the 'creator' being, based within religion/mystic/spiritual in the first, is thus of the 'matter' that is everywhere yet nowhere...the omnipotence aspect.

From here...the relationship can thus not be had with 'IT' as long as you hold to the premise of the persona of the Creator being. I say this, because the persona aspect of the creator being is embedded within our perception of what 'is'...and we KNOW that this is based on ignorance as we have no recollection of the beginning of our species in the first place.

Further more...the persona aspect of the creator being is something we see in every person (also animals as people in my life have attest to) and thus because we know the Hermetic Law of As above so below and the Fractal mathematics/.sacred geometry that proves it, that thus the Creator being must have some version of the premise 'persona' to have created the personality we use between each other.

We thus now have an issue as we try and attach the persona aspect to a thing that is omnipotent...

This brings us full circle back to you...as the only relationship you can have thus with the Creator, is one that has to be THROUGH yourself. The only way you can connect with something that is everywhere yet no 'where'...is to find one particular place where you know, 100%, that the creator being definitely really 100% IS.

That place is inside you. Because from you/us we kicked off the religion/mystic/spiritual premises in the first place...from yourself you perceive the outside world...you are for all intents and purposes, the centre of your universe and perceive everything from this vantage point.

Hence my suggestion that you can only thus get to the conceptual persona of 'creator' being by utilising your ONLY known 100% connection with 'it'...you. If you really do have a relationship with yourself...you then have a relationship with the the concept 'persona' and thus through this with the persona of creator being.

In the above you thus go from a knowing position to another knowing position and thus there is a transfer/connection and thus a polarity, thus a potential, thus the capacity to enable/do/experience it/make it 'real'.

Too bad that you have stop believing in god, because god is YOU. The universe when there was nothing was created by a spirit, that spirit had a thought, that created the dimensional levels..... the thought came up from the void... For your reality, that was YOUR thought....

I am sorry i am talking like a total freak.. but i was once with All... i felt that everything was connected. I had astral projection.... i felt connected...i could go anywhere i wanted... i learned something great. A thing i learned is we are more then what you think we are. All what we've been through (humanity) is normal and ok. It was meant to be that way. Also when they say mens are from Mars and woman from Venus, it is completely true.

God created the universe yes... Which you are a part of it. Your soul is connected with all the souls on earth (and this means everything(objects, animals, humans) etc... which makes the Unity which returns GOD. GOD is all of us, it is not a specific entity like the religion wants us to believe, it is us and only us with the planet and everything on it.

The heaven is the highest dimension. Please keep all your ways open, do not focus on one thing as a great law states: You only become conscious of what you perceive. If you perceive the world will end , then in your world it will. Remember, the universe was created by a thought. All your thoughts will manifest in your reality if it is in harmony with you. This is the reason why believing in yourself (which is god) is the key. If you look at the 10 commandments and you apply it to your inner self instead your outside world and see what will happen. This is the key.

God is you

Namaste


reply to post by Hydroman

reply to post by Balkan


We have a house of representatives, in which some that claim they heard God speak to them in an audible voice. No one seems to blink, I used to be a psych nurse and on the ICU unit, we had schizophrenics who claimed, also, that God was speaking to them and telling them to do things.

Yes I do indeed have a relationship. I am part of the creator, after all the universe started with the big bang (the creator) and in that instance all matter was created of which i am a part.

reply to post by AQuestion


Behind ever action and reaction in the Bible, is God. He sets up the circumstances, and he chooses the reactions and actions. You don't have a free will.

reply to post by Hydroman


Do I have a relationship with the creator of the universe! .... how can one not when one is the creator!
your perception of the universe is due to your vantage point .. are you not the creator due to your vantage point ... you are the creator of your vantage point .... and like you said my friend your vantage point changed ... you changed it and with that your universe changed , ..... and don't feel bad we all talk to ourselves.

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So do you have a personal relationship with God, the Father, or with Jesus Christ, his son?

I feel that I have a very healthy relationship with our creator. The creator I speak of is not the one of the Bible, Qoran, Kabala or any other "STORY". The creator I speak of is creation itself. The air I breath, the skin on my body, the trees on the ground, the birds in the air, the stars in the sky, thegalaxies across the universe are all just pieces of creation. I know you can read the words Im saying, but you have to understand what you call "creator" for you to have a relationship with it. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but then again I dont have to answer to you.


~much love~

Hello friend.

I, much like you, pursued the Christian faith with my heart and soul, only to feel nothing. It wasn't that I didn't believe in God--just that I had never personally experienced the direct 'relationship' that so many Christians speak of. I also, much like you, saw many people I viewed as having a 'strong' relationship with God directly misinterpret what 'He' was 'telling' them to do.

I began earnestly praying, not necessarily to the Christian 'God', but more to the creator of the universe, that I would find Truth. Soon after, odd occurrences (synchronicities) began happening, and I followed my heart, which led me away from the strict interpretation of the Christian doctrine. I began reading about other religions and studied philosophy.

Long story short, I was led into the path of meditation. If you truly want to know God, you must learn to know yourself. "The Kingdom of God is within you."

I learned more about God through a few months of meditation than I did through 12 years of the mainstream 'Christian' walk. Oddly enough, the more I come to 'know myself', the more profoundly the teachings of Jesus impact me, and closer to 'Him' I feel.

The blind 'faith' that Christians speak of is, in my opinion, a sham, and only holds people back from discovering Truth. It serves to reinforce peoples current belief system, despite a lack of actual, personal experience. Real faith is following your heart, even if it draws you away from the comfort and community mainstream Christianity provides.

God is real, and you (and all of the rest of you, too!) can experience Him directly. If you want to give it a shot, google Yogani deep meditation and spinal breathing. There are some very simple, but very effective techniques that you just might find helpful.

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Good luck in your search for truth!

Originally posted by AQuestion

I did not say Pharaoh hardened his own heart, I said God allowed him too, Pharaoh chose the direction and God chose not to restrain him, pretty simple.

How am I supposed to understand this when you change what you say? Here's what you said, "I think you do understand English and that is not what I said, I said Pharaoh chose and God allowed him to convince himself, to harden his own heart."

Notice what I put in bold. Does that not mean that pharaoh hardened his own heart? But, what the bible says is that god hardened pharaoh's heart. It doesn't say anything about god allowing him to harden his own heart as you put it. Why do you change around what the bible says?

Originally posted by AQuestion

I am sorry but I disagree with your reading. It says that Pharaoh would refuse to listen to Moses...

Yes, it does say that, but you stopped there. It then says "...so that my wonders may be multiplied in Egypt. God himself explains why pharaoh will not listen. Then it shows why he doesn't listen, because god hardened his heart. He did this to show his "wonders" to egypt.