Do you have a relationship with the creator of the universe?

Originally posted by AQuestion


Yes, it says God hardened his heart, to harden is to strengthen, not weaken, to allow one to convince oneself. It talks of this in another spot, it says that God released his restraint and allowed the Jews to give themselves over to their passions. The Pharaoh may have let the people go out of fear of God; but, that again would have been duress so the Lord allowed Pharaoh to make his own decision, to harden his own heart.

The fact remains, god made pharaoh choose to not let them go.

reply to post by Hydroman


Dear Hydroman,

You hide behind the anything is possible except God answer, truly searching you are or did you not say, "I see that as one possibility, yes. I believe that there could be some truth to the ancient writings of man. ALL of them. Maybe they did see certain things and tried to interpret what they were seeing, but just didn't have the words for it, like we do today. But is this the case? I don't know. I mean, did the Hindus just make up their stories? Did the Sumerians? Did the Mayans, the ancient american indians? Maybe they did see things and as stories were passed down they were embellished. Who knows? Hard to say when there are no eye witnesses today of those events."

Discuss what you do believe not what you might, show courage in your beliefs, I had said what I believe.

Originally posted by randyvs

The fact that God was against him, hardened his heart because, he was told his whole life, that he was a God.

Except the bible plainly states that god hardened pharaoh's heart.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by AQuestion


Yes, it says God hardened his heart, to harden is to strengthen, not weaken, to allow one to convince oneself. It talks of this in another spot, it says that God released his restraint and allowed the Jews to give themselves over to their passions. The Pharaoh may have let the people go out of fear of God; but, that again would have been duress so the Lord allowed Pharaoh to make his own decision, to harden his own heart.

The fact remains, god made pharaoh choose to not let them go.

Dear Hydroman,

I think you do understand English and that is not what I said, I said Pharaoh chose and God allowed him to convince himself, to harden his own heart.

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9 The LORD had said to Moses, “Pharaoh will refuse to listen to you—so that my wonders may be multiplied in Egypt.” 10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country.

Source

Emphasis added.

Not only does the story depict God as doing the hardening of Pharaoh's heart God actually owns up to it, more than that God explains his motivation for doing so as wanting his wonders to be multiplied. Funny, I never thought of slaughtering innocent children as a wonder... guess God does though.

Originally posted by AQuestion
Discuss what you do believe not what you might, show courage in your beliefs, I had said what I believe.

No, it is possible that a god did all this. But after believing that for such a long time, I see that there could be other explanations too. I try to look at the evidence, or what evidence we have. I don't know how things got here. But, since I don't know, I'm not going to say that means a god did it. Though, it is possible that a god did do all this, and made it look like everything in existence came from one point and is expanding away from it. He also made it look like the universe is 13.5 billion years old, instead of 6,000 like most creationists believe.

Originally posted by AQuestion

I think you do understand English and that is not what I said, I said Pharaoh chose and God allowed him to convince himself, to harden his own heart.

Pharaoh hardened his own heart? Will you show me the verse that says that?

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Thank you Titen. It's amazing how plain that is. Hey, maybe he's hardening my heart right now!

I'm going to bed, be back tomorrow. Goodnight all.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
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9 The LORD had said to Moses, “Pharaoh will refuse to listen to you—so that my wonders may be multiplied in Egypt.” 10 Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country.

Source

Emphasis added.

Not only does the story depict God as doing the hardening of Pharaoh's heart God actually owns up to it, more than that God explains his motivation for doing so as wanting his wonders to be multiplied. Funny, I never thought of slaughtering innocent children as a wonder... guess God does though.

Dear Titen-Sxull

I am sorry but I disagree with your reading. It says that Pharaoh would refuse to listen to Moses; but, in fact Moses spoke to the Pharaoh, was Pharaoh unable to hear or unwilling to listen? Perhaps you do not believe in free will, perhaps you do not believe that we are responsible for our actions and choices, I do not know your answer, I merely ask. I believe we choose and need to stop blaming God or the devil for our choices.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by AQuestion

I think you do understand English and that is not what I said, I said Pharaoh chose and God allowed him to convince himself, to harden his own heart.

Pharaoh hardened his own heart? Will you show me the verse that says that?

Dear Hydroman,

I did not say Pharaoh hardened his own heart, I said God allowed him too, Pharaoh chose the direction and God chose not to restrain him, pretty simple.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by AQuestion
Discuss what you do believe not what you might, show courage in your beliefs, I had said what I believe.

No, it is possible that a god did all this. But after believing that for such a long time, I see that there could be other explanations too. I try to look at the evidence, or what evidence we have. I don't know how things got here. But, since I don't know, I'm not going to say that means a god did it. Though, it is possible that a god did do all this, and made it look like everything in existence came from one point and is expanding away from it. He also made it look like the universe is 13.5 billion years old, instead of 6,000 like most creationists believe.

Dear Hydroman,

It sounds as if you are an agnostic, open to any answer. Find the one you believe and then we can talk more, I told you, I am not looking to convince anyone, only answer what I am asked.

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"God hardened Pharoahs heart". It doesn't say, Gods will was that Pharoahs heart was hardened. So for myself the fact that Pharoah knew God was getting involved and was against him. God is whom hardened Pharoahs heart.
Simply because God was against him. God himself, his presence and will to endeavor, hardened Pharoahs heart.
Because I imagine, after being lied to his whole life, with everyone around telling him and treating him, like he was God. He did what anyone royal spoiled baby would do. He pitched a bigass fit. Stomped his feet, shook his fist and held his breath. In the end all he could say was," Moses God, is God". Oh wait that was the movie.

reply to post by randyvs


Dear randyvys,

God did not destroy Sodom because of the evil people there, he destroyed it because there were no loving or good people there. Same for Pharaoh, he had no love in him for the Jews (tell me where it says that he did). Pharaoh and others were allowed to harden their hearts, it is called free will. Do you believe in free will but not in God or do you believe in God but not free will?

Why is it that on a site that is supposed to be about exposing conspiracies and uncovering the truth and denying ignorance, there seem to be a lot of people who buy into and defend one of the biggest conspiracies ever? By that I mean christianity of course. It boggles my mind a bit. Also though, it goes to show that christianity is a very successful conspiracy. In that, even the people who hope to expose the truth still believe their lies wholeheartedly.

My heart always goes out to those who were raised in church and went through the motions, and when something horrible happens to them, they say "there is no God." Relationship with God isn't only praying and being quiet, it's obedience. "If you love me you will follow my commandments," sound familiar? I could talk with my wife all I want, but if I cheated on her everyday, I don't think the relationship will be very good?

So let me ask you this. When you were a believer, did you ever try and live a holy lifestyle? Did you truly give your life over to God, meaning you were obedient, sensitive to his leading and stopped pursuing what Hydroman's flesh wanted? Have you ever fasted for 40 days? Esther fast, no food, no water for 3 days? How long have you ever worshiped God non-stop? Have you ever stayed and worshiped God when everyone else left to go eat donuts? How deep did you really go?

These threads are tough, I can tell you of tremendous things, tangible things that God has done in my life, but most likely I will be called a fool or crazy. Like being plastered to the ground under His holy, heavy presence. My step-daughter healed of Leukemia, countless healings in my own body, total download of a revelation that was supernatural, exorcisms, and the list goes on. This list will be crumbs compared to what is ahead of me!

I will tell you this; no matter how far I walk away from God, the moment I turn around, He is right there to meet me and welcome me back! The same is true for everyone. Come back brother!

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by hawkiye


Really? Do you deny that you have a relationship with the atoms that comprise your body? What part is it that sounds like pseudo science? That you have a body or that it is comprised of atoms? Those are indisputable facts my friend and since they are facts then you do indeed have a relationship with them. So the question is why do you not communicate with them and they you since you and they comprise the being you see as you?

I do not deny that my body is composed of atoms, because it is. You're going to have to give me your definition of a relationship. What I deny is that you can communicate with your atoms. That makes no sense to me.

You and your atoms live in a symbiotic relationship do you not? So you agree that though your atoms have a relationship with you, you do not communicate with them nor they with you proving that a relationship with a higher being exist without them being aware.

Your premise is that it is impossible to have a relationship with a higher being and not be consciously aware of it. I have just shown you it is possible on the physical plane so why not on a higher plane? In other words we are like atoms in the body of god. There is a saying; "as above so below" Everything in this universe operates on the same principles from the lowest to the highest. and we can see it in nature and ourselves so it stands to reason also that is operates similarly in the higher realms.

God is not a single entity a person or identifiable object, you are as much as a part of God as God is a part of you.
We as human beings always try to correlate God to a known and understandable being, but ultimately we do not understand what God is, just that God is the creator of all.

We are all part of "God", God being existence, life and energy.

God is omnipresent, omnipotent, because God is everything and everyone at all times.

Most people get lost in the presence of good vs evil, which is not God. Good nor Evil is God.

God is life, and life knows no boundaries, and once you realize this, you will realize that all the religious texts are obsolete, and they have all failed in "clarifying" what exactly God is.

There shouldn't be a riddle for an answer that's as simple as we are God, and we are everything.

Once you've established this you may be communicating with God, yourself, and others, and you will notice there is most definitely some supernatural aspects to it. Once you break down the barriers you've placed neatly in your brain, you start to see a whole new perspective....

But anyways, I can't really describe it. But yeah, I talk with God. And it isn't a he or she(though it seems to resemble a female aspect), but it is very loving, and unconditional, and it thinks prophecies/predictions are bad news

Originally posted by dave0davidson
Why is it that on a site that is supposed to be about exposing conspiracies and uncovering the truth and denying ignorance, there seem to be a lot of people who buy into and defend one of the biggest conspiracies ever? By that I mean christianity of course. It boggles my mind a bit. Also though, it goes to show that christianity is a very successful conspiracy. In that, even the people who hope to expose the truth still believe their lies wholeheartedly.

why christianity only? why not islam? same amount of followers and younger.


hindu? where is your denying ignorance?

Originally posted by b3l13v3
We are all part of "God", God being existence, life and energy.

God is omnipresent, omnipotent, because God is everything and everyone at all times.

Most people get lost in the presence of good vs evil, which is not God. Good nor Evil is God.

God is life, and life knows no boundaries, and once you realize this, you will realize that all the religious texts are obsolete, and they have all failed in "clarifying" what exactly God is.

There shouldn't be a riddle for an answer that's as simple as we are God, and we are everything.

Once you've established this you may be communicating with God, yourself, and others, and you will notice there is most definitely some supernatural aspects to it. Once you break down the barriers you've placed neatly in your brain, you start to see a whole new perspective....

But anyways, I can't really describe it. But yeah, I talk with God. And it isn't a he or she(though it seems to resemble a female aspect), but it is very loving, and unconditional, and it thinks prophecies/predictions are bad news

some people expect god to give them everything, happiness, rainbows and sunshine.

ya well they get them but not every frikkin day, right?

bad days make the good days that much better.


how many times have you come out of the pit and then fell back in?

people think they are entitled to something more in this life, besides life.

whether by the gov or god. when i was growing up the thing that sticks with me is,

"god helps those that help themselves" and i don't mean screwing over other people.

i'm with you bro, not knocking your post.