Do you have a relationship with the creator of the universe?

Originally posted by davidgrouchy
Here is a video of someone who
slept with Janice Joplin,
invented the Christian music industry,
and then went on to prove that the godless internet generation
is still suceptible to prophecy by pretending to be John Titor.

He's a Roman Catholic Monk now, and
is much happier with his personal connection to the creator of the Universe
than the emptiness of his previous life as a Country Rock Musician.

David Grouchy


Enjoy.

Cool, he's done a lot. I wonder what he'll be after he's a Roman Catholic Monk...a pro basketball player?

It sounds like your relationship to the concept of God and what that means to you is ever changing and evolving. I know that my own path has been changing since I started walking it. I've been through many phases. I had an experience with the creative source during meditation that was so comforting and reassuring. It lasted minutes, but defined my relationship to 'God'. I was shown that I am one with the creative source (my term for 'God'). and that religion, prayer and all that thinking jazz is optional. I could use that, but it doesn't matter to the creative source. So, if I feel it's beneficial (a tool) in assisting my growth and evolution, I can use it. If it's not working for me, there's no shame in moving on. Isn't that what Christ did as he found his way?

I may have experienced this because my guilt about not doing enough spiritual practice was an issue. I took Tibetan Buddhist initiations and chose to break my vows. The vows were to do a few hours of spiritual practice every day for this life and beyond. You think the Catholics have guilt? Ha! According the the Buddhists, practitioners who break their vows go to the WORST of all the Hells, reserved for us. I had forgotten about my guilt for a few years before having a spontaneous oneness experience who doing Hoʻoponopono as I was laying in bed.

That's my relationship to 'God'. I'd never have daily conversations or pray to it because I never did. I grew up without religion or talk of God/religion except to say that you don't talk about God or religion....even to family. (because it's so personal) I am not agreeing...just laughing at myself and sharing. I may pray, but it's really putting my attention and intentions to work in a universal law kind of way. So, that's my personal twist on that question. No one needs to think like me. I respect and love everyone for being who they are and sharing their own perceptions of truth. I hope you take this in that spirit! Love to you!

Originally posted by AQuestion

I do love these questions. I didn't say I could show where Moses was saved I asked if you thought he went to Hell or purgatory, your answer was vague.

Well, you said he was saved, just wondering where you got that info. Or did I misquote you again?

Originally posted by AQuestion
I then asked if you thought that the rapture that Enoch was caught up in meant that he had to go to either of them. You have not answered that, I believe he went to heaven, that he spent eternity with God, that he walked with him and he talked with him, just like it says. I believe God took him because Enoch could not stand or live without being with God.

I don't know if Enoch even existed. But, the story sounds like a UFO abduction to me. A fiery chariot came and picked him up.....hmmmmm....

Originally posted by AQuestion
I love you bringing up Jonah, lol. Jonah did not have God forced upon him. Jonah chose to be in relationship with
God and promised to do his will and then Jonah tried to violate the agreement when God told Jonah to talk to non-Jews. Jonah's story is one of making promises and not trying to keep them and God never asks more than we can handle, Jonah was effective in his ministry and if you investigate it a bit, you will find out that it had an impacts for hundreds of years later.

Jonah used his free will and chose not to go. He left on a boat, god caused a storm, he told the sailors that it was his fault and to throw him overboard. A giant fish swallows him and he lives there for 3 days. Then the fish pukes him up. Will something similar happen to you if you decide to not do your god's will?

Now, what about Pharaoh?

reply to post by Hydroman


Dear Hydroman,

I will deal with Moses first, yes, I believe he was saved, I asked you what you believed, you gave an answer somewhere between hell an purgatory; but, you don't know that you believe he existed. I don't get that, you try to take all contrary positions at the same time even when they contradict one another.

reply to post by Hydroman


Dear Hydroman,

You next sort of respond to what I asked you about Enoch, you say you don't know if he existed and then imply that he went into a spaceship, huh? Okay, you believe in space aliens being God or whatever, why didn't you just say so in the beginning, I thought you were an atheist not a believer in UFOs and Erich Danniken.

Originally posted by AQuestion


I will deal with Moses first, yes, I believe he was saved, I asked you what you believed, you gave an answer somewhere between hell an purgatory; but, you don't know that you believe he existed. I don't get that, you try to take all contrary positions at the same time even when they contradict one another.

No sir. When I was a believer, that's what I believed. Not now. Sorry to not communicate that very well.

reply to post by Hydroman


Dear Hydroman,

LOL. Really, "Jonah used his free will and chose not to go. He left on a boat, god caused a storm, he told the sailors that it was his fault and to throw him overboard. A giant fish swallows him and he lives there for 3 days. Then the fish pukes him up. Will something similar happen to you if you decide to not do your god's will?" Jonah made a promise and broke it, don't do the crime if you can't do the time, a promise will be kept when the promise is with God; but, he lets us off easy (or at least I hope so).

"Now, what about Pharaoh?" you ask, well what about Pharaoh?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by AQuestion


I will deal with Moses first, yes, I believe he was saved, I asked you what you believed, you gave an answer somewhere between hell an purgatory; but, you don't know that you believe he existed. I don't get that, you try to take all contrary positions at the same time even when they contradict one another.

No sir. When I was a believer, that's what I believed. Not now. Sorry to not communicate that very well.

Dear Hydroman,

But you have said that you are no longer a believer because you no longer believe such foolishness and then you try and say that I do, I don't. I said, I believe Moses and Enoch and others went to heaven.

Originally posted by AQuestion


You next sort of respond to what I asked you about Enoch, you say you don't know if he existed and then imply that he went into a spaceship, huh? Okay, you believe in space aliens being God or whatever, why didn't you just say so in the beginning, I thought you were an atheist not a believer in UFOs and Erich Danniken.

First of all, I don't know if any of that is true. All I said was that it sounds like a UFO abduction to me. You now put words in my mouth that I believe space aliens are God. You accuse me of doing that, then you do it to me. Why friend?

Anyways, how would being an atheist and believing in aliens contradict each other? It is perfectly logical to believe that beings on other planets could exist, because we exist here on this planet. What does that have to do with not believing in god? That's all an atheist is, someone who doesn't believe that gods exist.

reply to post by Hydroman


Personally, Hydro, your still a Christian, and you did have/still have a relationship with the Father; he's just waiting for you to begin where you left off at. Kinda like a family, just because they don't talk to each other, doesn't make you any less of a family member......now does it? (Oh surely you remember the Prodigal Son *grin*) Interesting to note, the son that stayed at home, was the real one with the issue. BUT...

To be a born again believer, a Christian.........one must have the personal revelation in their mind and heart that they are saved. In other words, you should have somewhere in your Christian walk, you should have had a 'burning-bush' experience-period.

What I mean by that is, you were going about your way, much like Moses was, till something quite extraordinary, something supernatural happened to you and 'brought' you to a knowledge & understanding that God was real; something changed your way of thinking, something inside you took away the anger, etc, and it was replaced by something so out of this world, i.e. Divine Love, that it quite literally changed your way of life almost overnight.

It, 'usually' come through someone who is a Christian, a person who has a 'relationship' which is the on-going communication between themselves and God (prayer) who believes that Jesus was born of a virgin, walked among men, crucified on a roman cross and rose again on the 3rd day, ascended into heaven and will be returning as the supreme ruler of this earth for 1000 years.

Now, I've said all that to say this. Throw tomatoes and rocks if you will but, this is where most Christians take offense, To be a Christian, they will accept Jesus as their Savior, but fail to LET him be the LORD of their lives and isn't that what being a Christian is suppose to be about? I mean .. if we're doing the same things as we did BEFORE we got saved......how is it that they're going to work AFTER we are saved?!

I mean .. what are we being saved FROM? Is it not from ourselves? Why does anyone become a Christian? Is it because they wanted to try a new religion? If so, religion is all they will find~! But, I argue against those that say "God is dead"...

For I too once said that 30 years ago~! But, there was... that one day when God literally whispered my name so loudly but so softly and so exact that I still remember what God said to me 30 years ago.......word for word.

and that was my 'burning bush' and I fully expect God to do the same for anyone that he knows is ready to take the step of faith and put it all on the line at the knees of their heart.

How many times have we said "Lord, I can't fix this~!" maybe that's the answer He was looking for....because He wants to fix it for you. We ALL say we don't need God, even I said that~! But, truthfully, look at us, we ALL need God to help us, we just have to go back the his house and say... "I'm here God, I want to come home"

/tears for your journey my brother, even now.. God is waiting, the door is open and the light is kept on, just I case you decide to return home.

Originally posted by AQuestion

"Now, what about Pharaoh?" you ask, well what about Pharaoh?

You said god doesn't force us to do his will. According to the bible, god hardened pharaoh's heart so that he wouldn't let his people go...is that not forcing?

Originally posted by AQuestion


But you have said that you are no longer a believer because you no longer believe such foolishness and then you try and say that I do, I don't. I said, I believe Moses and Enoch and others went to heaven.

I'm sorry, but is english your first language? I didn't say that you believed those things. I said that the believers I have spoken with do.

reply to post by Hydroman

Yes there is a reason why I ignored the atom analogy. It is because I have no idea what you're talking about. Sounds like pseudoscience to me.

Really? Do you deny that you have a relationship with the atoms that comprise your body? What part is it that sounds like pseudo science? That you have a body or that it is comprised of atoms? Those are indisputable facts my friend and since they are facts then you do indeed have a relationship with them. So the question is why do you not communicate with them and they you since you and they comprise the being you see as you?

reply to post by Hydroman


Dear Hydroman,

You said, "All I said was that it sounds like a UFO abduction to me. You now put words in my mouth that I believe space aliens are God." I am sorry, you brought up aliens, I am asking if you believe they are God, if not, why bring it up? You believe in aliens or you don't, I can live with either answer. You believe we mistook them for God or you don't, again, I can live with either answer, just answer, don't play games. Do you have questions or wish to make this a guessing game? Take a position rather than try and play all sides. Say what you think.

You say, "Anyways, how would being an atheist and believing in aliens contradict each other?" I never said it did, atheists are capable of believing anything and frequently do.

reply to post by Komodo
Those were kind words, thank you. When you heard this whisper, how do you know it was a god speaking to you? Does he speak to you like that all the time? If not, why not? Why didn't it kill you when he spoke to you, as another believer stated?

Originally posted by hawkiye


Really? Do you deny that you have a relationship with the atoms that comprise your body? What part is it that sounds like pseudo science? That you have a body or that it is comprised of atoms? Those are indisputable facts my friend and since they are facts then you do indeed have a relationship with them. So the question is why do you not communicate with them and they you since you and they comprise the being you see as you?

I do not deny that my body is composed of atoms, because it is. You're going to have to give me your definition of a relationship. What I deny is that you can communicate with your atoms. That makes no sense to me.

reply to post by Hydroman


Hydro you can look at that passage as: God willed Pharoahs heart to harden. Or that God being against him, hardened his heart. The same thing happened to Cain really. Pharoah just like everyone, thinks God is with them.
The fact that God was against him, hardened his heart because, he was told his whole life, that he was a God.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by AQuestion

"Now, what about Pharaoh?" you ask, well what about Pharaoh?

You said god doesn't force us to do his will. According to the bible, god hardened pharaoh's heart so that he wouldn't let his people go...is that not forcing?

Dear Hydroman,

Yes, it says God hardened his heart, to harden is to strengthen, not weaken, to allow one to convince oneself. It talks of this in another spot, it says that God released his restraint and allowed the Jews to give themselves over to their passions. The Pharaoh may have let the people go out of fear of God; but, that again would have been duress so the Lord allowed Pharaoh to make his own decision, to harden his own heart.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by AQuestion


But you have said that you are no longer a believer because you no longer believe such foolishness and then you try and say that I do, I don't. I said, I believe Moses and Enoch and others went to heaven.

I'm sorry, but is english your first language? I didn't say that you believed those things. I said that the believers I have spoken with do.

Dear Hydroman,

Is English my first language, how come nobody else asked this on this thread of me? Clearly sarcasim is your first language and you did in fact say that you were truly seeking, any who read this thread of yours will know your true heart and if you speak the truth or attempt to deceive still.

Originally posted by AQuestion

I never said it did, atheists are capable of believing anything and frequently do.

What does this mean then? "I thought you were an atheist not a believer in UFOs and Erich Danniken." What does one have to do with the other?

Originally posted by AQuestion
I am sorry, you brought up aliens, I am asking if you believe they are God, if not, why bring it up? You believe in aliens or you don't, I can live with either answer. You believe we mistook them for God or you don't, again, I can live with either answer, just answer, don't play games. Do you have questions or wish to make this a guessing game? Take a position rather than try and play all sides. Say what you think.

I see that as one possibility, yes. I believe that there could be some truth to the ancient writings of man. ALL of them. Maybe they did see certain things and tried to interpret what they were seeing, but just didn't have the words for it, like we do today. But is this the case? I don't know. I mean, did the Hindus just make up their stories? Did the Sumerians? Did the Mayans, the ancient american indians? Maybe they did see things and as stories were passed down they were embellished. Who knows? Hard to say when there are no eye witnesses today of those events.