Anders Behring Breivik, the Norway killer

reply to post by Aeons


I am not sure i understand what you are aiming for here.
A network of people connected somehow to this case right ?
Could you explain a little what you are trying to say here, because i am not fully sure what you are pointing at here.

The core group there are Anders main core group of friends. They also happen to be the main force behind the propagation of 2083.

They spin up a web server as a base, use it for a while, then take it down again.

Several of them were in on this before it went down.

In order for Anders to remove all the data he did off of the webserver holding his group, he had to have extended rights on that server.

Still with me?

www.dagbladet.no...

Breivik's psychiatrist has been found competent, and his review has not been disqualifed.

By ruling shows that Anders Behring Breivik even wanted to change expert. Also his defense Geir Lippe City has meant that Husby is competent.

- I assume for my assessment that the expert not involved in any way in the treatment of the accused's mother. I have continued to meet with the accused carefully explained this issue. He is of the opinion that this does not pose a problem. He does not want it to appoint a new expert, writes Lippe City in a letter to the court.

Av kjennelsen går det fram at Anders Behring Breivik selv ikke ønsket å bytte sakkyndig. Også hans forsvarer Geir Lippestad har ment at Husby er habil.

- Jeg legger til grunn for min vurdering at den sakkyndige ikke har vært involvert på noen måte i behandlingen av siktedes mor. Jeg har videre i møte med siktede nøye redegjort for denne problemstillingen. Han er av den oppfatning at dette ikke utgjør noe problem. Han ønsker ikke at det skal oppnevnes ny sakkyndig, skriver Lippestad i et brev til retten.

The translation here isn't perfect. I think this is saying that Breivik doesn't find that Husby is a problem and doesn't object to him continuing in his current capacity.

Doesn't care.... or started to bond with the psychiatrist? That'd be interesting.

Originally posted by Aeons
The core group there are Anders main core group of friends. They also happen to be the main force behind the propagation of 2083.

They spin up a web server as a base, use it for a while, then take it down again.

Several of them were in on this before it went down.

In order for Anders to remove all the data he did off of the webserver holding his group, he had to have extended rights on that server.

Still with me?

Interesting.
Thank you,

No problem. After they closed out qmedia, and moved it over the wazzap, Stargazer continued modifying the group to hide them better. After the fact.

I'd be very amused if stekepanne turned out to be Anders old account.

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Notice, she was an admin in Team Berwick, the group that existed before the attacks. That's nice of them - it helps you see what I see.

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Avatar Incarnate.

Talks about his father. His father's reaction is absolutely understandable, because his father's reactions are those of a Narcissist.

tundratabloids.com...-2697 8

It’s not accidental therefore that mainstream mass media — a virtual megaphone of the Left — have turned the Breivik tragedy into a golden opportunity to stomp on the people the multiculti Socialist-Islamic-Third Word coalition loves to hate. After all, as comrade Vladimir Ilyich used to say, “The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.”

I happen to agree, this is exactly what is happening. Ideological warfare will provoke people to act like they are at war. And then, people act like this is just totally unexpected. It shouldn't be - it is the logic conclusion of this behaviour.


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This blog post can be found in many places, being attributed to many different bloggers. I've found a couple of variations on it, but it remains the same essential post.

The is the problem of relying on a ideology that requires that most people at least *seem* to be on board in order for it to work - the illusion of the fallacy of popularity becomes an end to a means. In order for the idea to work, enemies must be silent, the majority must feel at least that they are inclined towards the seeming winner, and in order to maintain a place of control you need to manufacture an illusion of popularity even where one does not exist to maintain power.

Frank Miller is putting out "Holy Terror" a comic about a special ops guy whose training takes him into being a fighter against Al-Q.

"Ignoring an enemy that’s committed to our annihilation is kind of silly." Why, yes it is Frank.

Isn't it ridiculous that we need comic writers and avatars to step out of their game to point out what is unpopular to say?

The Islamophobia crowd is primed - and Mr. Miller is someone I would say is a pretty keen judge of what might speak to a segment of his audience.

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Removed empathy
Breivik writes that he buys drugs in Oslo, that he partially mixes what he calls the ECA itself (a mixture of ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin) and that he is dbol and Winstrol online. This is anabolic steroids. Breivik also claims that one of the online stores he shopped in located in the Balkans. The shop sells a variety of illegal drugs. - It is a fairly common dopcocktail as hundreds of Norwegian youths go on to normal, says Bjorn Barland, Dr. scient the Police Academy. Barland is one of the foremost experts on doping. He has read it Breivik has written about his own dopbruk. - What makes it special is that it is planned to the smallest detail. He has used steroids to gain more muscle to carry around 30 kilograms and equipment he has used a cure to remove the last remnant of empathy during the terrorist attack, said Barland told Dagbladet.

He was using testosterone as well.

Now, a psychopath doesn't need to do things to "remove" empathy responses.

Which makes my guess that he's enforcing a form of a psychological firewall way more likely. Even with his level of self-control, surely he's got some break through happening.


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At the pump house, 13 children found murdered. Here, the perpetrator according to the reconstruction have been only once, and several in the group at the pump house was in contact with their relatives in the period between at 18.10 and 18.14. Survivors confirms Aftenposten reported that the perpetrator got there in the last quarter.

This isn't the damning thing.

The damning thing about 67 of these murders is .... Breivik surrendered after the first two of the 69. He didn't know at that point how many people had been killed in the bombing.

Every murder after he surrendered was preventable. All 67 of them. Every minute he was not confronted by a security team he was making the decision to not allow people to get themselves organized and do something about him.

Keep moving and shooting. For a full circuit of the island. Staying mostly in areas where he could control where people could come at him from.

The sudden jump in killings is subsequent to a couple of people getting up enough courage to sort-of attack him. Increased violence to continue to subdue the people on the Island from attacking him until the security team came to get him.

It isn't the increase in the last 15 minutes that is so damning. It is the SIXTY SEVEN after he surrendered that are.

Originally posted by starviego

While incarcerated, Breivik was heard to express that he is low on "courage points," which are awarded in the computer game.

This one has stuck with me, and how to put this has finally occurred to me. I was missing some language around it.

This is labeling and reassignment. He's managing his neurobiological responses with labeling and reassignment.


Also - the longer it goes that there is no movement on his personal network, the more interested I become in this case. Anders wanted people to know that he wasn't a lone wolf. He could have changed that group on that webserver completely. But he didn't.

I pretty fascinated by the core mass of almost conflicting ideas he has, and the conflicting ideologies playing out in that crowd to begin with.

I'm even more fascinated by the reactions of the media and supposed social leaders about this. Their reactions indicate that they've completely lost track of the goal of a ROBUST diverse society.

There are several ideological wars at play here, and the people who are directing traffic seem to have lost sight of the goal - or their goal has been correctly identified, and it is to set up a system that will self destruct.

Fear responses from protector archetypes in the populace is not something you can ignore, or redirect with illogic and pushing back by denigrating what is the most essential wiring for survival in the brain.

While it might pain people to hear, not everything these people are saying is wrong. Trying to push down their moderates by tarring them is going to backfire. They will radicalize - they ARE radicalizing. They are radicalizing directly in proportion to the level their legitimate concerns are being IGNORED and denigrated.

The media and left/center leaders are currently using a large scale argument that breaks down to "Well, the child-killer says the Sky Is Blue, so if that 8 year old says the Sky Is Blue, that 8 year old and everyone else who says the Sky Is Blue must be a killer."

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Police is Oslo say they want to interview Alan Lake, whom they believe is a key figure in Britain's anti-Islamist English Defence League EDL.L, to find out if he may have been an ideological source of inspiration to Breivik.

"Alan Lake is an obvious person we would like to speak to," Oslo police prosecutor Paal-Fredrik Hjort Kraby told Reuters.

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Statement from Alan Lake regarding the Norwegian Gunman - Anders BreivikPosted by Alan Lake on July 27, 2011 at 1:40am in UK Room

I do not know this man, I have never met him, and I am not his mentor

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I bring this one to your attention mainly for the picture associated to this article





This is a blatant piece of propaganda, attempting to visually link the FRP (Progress Party) to Utoya. The Rose is the FRP's logo.

NICE. Smooth.

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Break-ins at Breivik Geofarm.

This apparently isn't the first one. How do they know that people aren't removing weapons caches from the property?

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Interview

Breivik was Friday in a new marathon interrogation, the ninth since he was arrested 22 July. The interrogation lasted 11 hours. - It was questioned primarily about the bomb in its ministries. My client was asked a series of control questions about how the bomb was put together and how he blew up the trial, says lawyer Geir Lippe City, who was present during Friday's interview.

I like how the media likes to tag the good information onto other stories, and put them after visual cuts from the main (unrelated) story. This is a fantastic example of it.



I'm looking at word usage in Norway's Media. It seems that the use of the word Terrorist is seriously limited in Norway, and but they are quite willing to use it for Breivik. Or Bush. However, other groups of people with similar ideologies and methods as Breivik around the World are instead called things like "insurgent" or "militant."

from dictionary.com

in·sur·gent   [in-sur-juhnt] Show IPA
noun
1.a person who rises in forcible opposition to lawful authority, especially a person who engages in armed resistance to a government or to the execution of its laws; rebel.
2.a member of a section of a political party that revolts against the methods or policies of the party.
adjective


ter·ror·ist   [ter-er-ist] Show IPA
noun
1.a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2.a person who terrorizes or frightens others.

ter·ror·ism   [ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.


militant

militant (ˈmɪlɪtənt)

— adj
1. aggressive or vigorous, esp in the support of a cause: a militant protest
2. warring; engaged in warfare




Well. Either Breivik is a militant and an insurgent, or the people of "other cultures" who are doing the exact same thing that he did are Terrorists.

I'm still confused. This horrible tendency of LOGIC I have seems to be getting in the way of swallowing political bs.

Norway seems to have the same problem we've got here. Media Weasels. Nasty Infestation.

So today in Mogadishu, 65 people were killed in a car bombing and the people who did it are called "an Islamist group."

These 65 people were lined up outside the education ministry looking into schooling and scholarships.

www.aftenposten.no...

So they killed kids and parents. Notice in Norway this part of the story doesn't make the journals.

Whereas Breivik today was called a terrorist in the above link. Same paper. Same day.


Please explain to me why Norway can support Al-Shabaab, who are killing children looking for an education and are actively engaged in starving to death millions of people for a political cause and call those people "militants."

While Breivik is called a "terrorist."

I don't get it. I just don't.

More on my "insurgent" today. (yes, that's right. Until media and governments stop playing word games with us about those-people-who-bomb-youth being militants, and this person who shoots youth being a terrorist I think that it is utterly fair to make Breivik seem just culturally misunderstood too.)

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The young people I met told me that the perpetrator was a police officer. The first thing I picked up called "terrorist, terrorist, terrorist!".

He took between four and five trips to the island to retrieve the children. After the police asked him to stop.

Gleffe has previously received two other excellent in Germany for their efforts 22 July.

The police asked him to stop going to get people.

This is more interesting in light of the fact that when the police did finally get to the Island they did NOT go get Anders.

He came to them. He did a full circuit of the Island, and then came back to the dock area and gave himself up.

If you watch the videos of the "take down" Delta force is NOT doing ANYTHING to go get him. They are just staying there at the dock area, behind cover. Campers are running to them. But no one is engaging or even attempting to deal with Breivik.

If you watch the helicopter feed from the media, if you were in the helicopter you'd have had a clear head shot at him.

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In the 1980s, had a one changeover in the European right extremism. Racism was too primitive, and one had instead cultural fascism, says Hagtvet.

This meant a focus on European culture as superior to everything else. Christianity as superior to Islam, it is clean of the dirty.

Okay. But then there is this.

- It's not me reason to Meina more about than you, but the researchers points out a tendency to ideological contamination, says Hagtvet.

OH.

So it is bad if a ideological side you don't like sees another ideology as dirtying up their own.

But when it is an ideology *you* don't like showing up inside your view then it is merely "contamination."



Awesome. I like that this guy thinks he is LESS confused than Breivik. He is just as confused, but he's credentials and better vocabulary to make his confusion seem more palatable.

The two words are synonyms.

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Notice the propaganda picture trying to visually link the Progress Party to Utoya again. Still N-I-C-E. I'm mean seriously - props on the chutzpah. Don't be contained by the charges levelled at you - prove him right. Nothing bad could happen from that.

The police are saying they could not possibly have been faster. This is simply not so.

Media helicopter in the air. Boat owner's out saving people. A military base with all their equipment available right nearby.

Governing agencies consistently try to assert that they are the only real origin of order. But in this case, they were a source of chaos. They turned away help. The system actually predetermines that the general citizen is not capable of it. When they could and should assert themselves as leaders in a situation were they are spread thin, instead they step in and take away leadership from those creating it. This is a consistent problem in any system where the system comes from the conviction that it is the only true source of reality.

Now, did the police have an awful lot on their plate? You bet.

The fact remains unstated but still true - an island full of the youth of the party loyal in a remote and contained arena was less pressing to secure than the political capitol.

People have a right to know that in a general break down of order that sole reliance on a system prone to overload, they do NOT make the first cut in triage. The governments think that someone like me is dangerous pointing this out. This is not the case.

The system moved to BLOCK leaders. They removed initiative. They caused problems, not solved them. People BELIEVE that they cannot and SHOULD NOT move to act in a timely manner, and in a case when the system cannot do anything it is lying to people in the most profound way.

The system prefers you die rather than you get in the way of its version of order, even when that system cannot help you.

Become more flexible. Your problem points contain the germ of solutions. If you are flexible, you'll bother to drill down on those instead of trying to drill those who represent those problems. And you can take that little bit of wisdom and assume I mean it about EVERYTHING in this situation.

All your extremists have gone mostly quiet so as not to draw attention. How screwed up do you think you are that moderates are schooling you?

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Anders won't talk about his childhood. The experts think this information is critical to assessing if he's sane.

Childhood may be contextual, but it isn't the definitional.

One of the earliest quotes I kept taking Churchill's advice:

"Life is a series of collisions with the future; it is not a sum of what we have been but what we yearn to be."
-Josee Ortega Y Gasset

What do you think you are going to find that would so significantly change your assessment? What do you think you'd get from him that his sister, his friends, his mother won't know? Clearly, you've not gotten what you were hoping to get out of them.

It is too ripe for emotional manipulation. Just like the picture on this news article.

If he is the master of his message, and he is, then he isn't going to let you redirect attention to something so emotionally powerful.

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The radio system in the prison Breivik is in is essentially being allowed to prime the prisoners to kill him. In any other context in any other population this would be clearly seen as incitement.

This article ends with saying that pedophiles are better than Breivik. Priming. Redefining and resetting prison morality.

He isn't better than a murderer - but it is interesting that the prison itself is helping set a new form of jail morality.

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Breivik has told police how he was a special the last week ran out of time in preparing for terrorist attacks in Oslo and Utøya. He explained that the work was more demanding than he had intended. The terror accused 32-year-old has also said that he had originally planned to steal a plane from the airport that he would use to escape with the mass killings of Utøya, according to VG.

He didn't have an escape off the Island. He was delayed by a traffic jam. He didn't have all the bombs he wanted. The one he used wasn't as large as he was hoping. He missed his original target on Utoya.

See, I am quite sure that I have found Anders much older posts and his original time line for this operation probably shouldn't have been executed for another several years.

He could have aborted this one. Consistently it was not meeting his standards, but regardless, he was under an extreme time crunch to make *this* date happen.

Why?