Anders Behring Breivik, the Norway killer

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Interview of an Norwegian ex-Neo-Nazi.

He says one thing himself that I agree with wholeheartedly,

Important not to have closed debates has days after the terrorist attacks has been discussed about how open the public will be too extreme opinions. Tom Kimmo Eiternes is not in doubt and believe it is important not to shut out those with extreme opinions. He speaks from personal experience: - I believe that the best way to address such attitudes are the arguments. When it comes down to it, no racist or Nazi argument that holds water - all can be disassembled with arguments. Eiternes think it is dangerous to push someone out of the debate: - If they keep to a closed discussion forum where there is only people with the same attitudes, a few radical. It is important that you pull points back and pick them from each other, he said.

But I have one last comment on it - I like how in the picture he's looking out of the shadows towards the light.

Subtle.

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Interesting analysis by a Palestinian mathematician about applying Fixed Point Theorem, and how it is just a matter of time until they can find a Jew like Breivik who will annihilate all the Jews for them. With their own nukes.

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This was from some time ago. They fluoroscoped him to look for things that might blow up, or be triggers.

Have they yet let the defence perform an MRI, Catscan, etc, to assess him for physical brain anomalies? I'd say no. The "compassion" in Norway seems to mean that the prosecution has some truly astounding latitude of unchallenged action.

Refusing to participate in psychological research, is not the same as not participating in one's own defence. Is he not participating in his defence?

But this isn't the part that I find interesting.

You'll notice on the link some discussion about how the security groups in Norway should have been watching anonymous online postings and following up on it.

Norwegian online posters who have posted things which might be of interest to security services are something that they look to be following up on more consistently.

www.theoreti.ca...

There is also this interesting concept of the web of hate that I've not been addressing as I've been interested to see how many people challenge it.

A couple of visualizations and some listing of the people/websites who were connected with 2083's distribution.

This sort of thing I totally think is a very interesting tool for understanding how ideas spread.

That isn't how it is being used. It is instead being used as a very powerful emotional logical fallacy, to paint anyone who might look or have been emailed or every clicked a link or read an email as a member of the nefarious Web Of Hate.

Guilt by Association. This isn't the only time this is being used right now. Hell, the Labour party just took the election using this tactic. It is a nasty, manipulative, ball of viciousness.

Also of interest, two new terms indicating that Anders is getting some interesting elevation to a named thought form.

Breivikite, and Breivikism.

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All Ander's commentary on document.no

I read it on July 22, but it was sure nice of people to collate for you.

Left wing commentary,

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Personal Disclosure:
I'd like to note that I've been on board sites with Mother Jones. I got myself banned from one because I kept pushing about things like why do you guys allow people on a parenting board to advocate for pedophiles? And I was apparently oppressing people who were defending Prophet Jeffs of the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, by asking uncomfy questions that just weren't ....NICE enough. Handing wringing about my lack of tolerance for baby raping and people who marry their daughters off at 9 for religious reasons.

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Anders is going back to the farm again. Good for you, looking into the how the hell did he load the bomb into the vehicle angle.

Though, I'd really love to understand why they keep interviewing his family. It isn't for material evidence.

I like this:

He stressed that the investigation so far has not uncovered clues that suggest that Behring Breivik had accomplices.
The theory that he was alone has been strengthened, but we are still in an early phase. Currently there are no uncovered some flaws in his explanation, saying the police prosecutor to NRK.no.

Awed. I'm think that's the word I'm looking for.

He's got so much cognitive power being used to do so many other things, and he can still keep his story straight. I'm fascinated. A little sad. He wasted all that ability on *this*. How goddamn frustrating.

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Dear Goodness....I'm a radical. Anyone who could see me right now would laugh about how I fit most of this description. Moderate Working Mommy in a button down shirt...but hey, I'm RADICAL man and alway have been. Start suspecting the women in the Mom Coffee group.


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- Breivik is an Islamic enemy who has built up an enemy. He is an extremely ideologically and politically motivated. Most right-wing extremists are using neo-Nazi symbols. Anders Behring Breivik despise and look down on neo-Nazis. He defends Israel and, in some environments described as a Zionist, says Fitje.

He doesn't fit the traditional model of a right wing extremist because he isn't like them at all.

What appears to be a psychological dissonance/schizm is actually someone is greatly, intensely, motivated to protect some of the best aspects of liberal doctrine from its radical application to the point of not protecting itself. Of course he sees himself as a martyr.

Ever known a single woman dog owner whose dog *hated* a boyfriend she had, and later it turned out the dog was right? Dog didn't want to stop the owner from doing anything. Dog just wanted the bad boyfriend to back the frack off. Anders is the dog.

He's slowly been being pushed from his preferential social-political tendency into more extreme environments, but still maintained in that environment some of his essential political and ideological preferences.

How did this happen? What is going on in Europe's and Norway's political sphere that people with liberal doctrine preferences are finding themselves deeply aligned with the extreme right mainly due to their protective instincts? Why does no one see it?

Originally posted by Aeons
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There is also this interesting concept of the web of hate that I've not been addressing as I've been interested to see how many people challenge it.

A couple of visualizations and some listing of the people/websites who were connected with 2083's distribution.

This sort of thing I totally think is a very interesting tool for understanding how ideas spread.

That isn't how it is being used. It is instead being used as a very powerful emotional logical fallacy, to paint anyone who might look or have been emailed or every clicked a link or read an email as a member of the nefarious Web Of Hate.

Guilt by Association. This isn't the only time this is being used right now. Hell, the Labour party just took the election using this tactic. It is a nasty, manipulative, ball of viciousness.

edit on 2011/9/25 by Aeons because: (no reason given)

Thanks for posting that, very interesting to see the mapping of this kind of information.
There is a link in the OP to Anders Behring Breivik his manifesto but i did not find ATS on this map.
Here is the link to the interactive map where you can zoom in and see all the URL's
LINK
The information at this link states quite unbiased how the map works.

This map shows those relationships between sites. To appear on it does not make anyone responsible for Breivik's actions. Rather it shows how a conspiracist mind can twist perfectly normal stories into a threatening and dangerous pattern.

For each site on the map, you click the dot to go there directly - and it then illuminates all links to other sites. The sites have been divided by category - click on the icon with three circles in the right-hand corner to see the sites grouped. Yellow links show who the site has linked to; red links show who has linked to it
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But the article on the same date in the same newspaper gives it this nasty twist like you are pointing out.
There are a small amount of pointers from a different angle but overall the article is very suggestive i think.
Like you said "Guilt by Association".

Anders Breivik's manifesto reveals a subculture of nationalistic and Islamophobic websites that link the European and American far right in a paranoid alliance against Islam and is also rooted in some democratically elected parties.
SOURCE

I challenge the people of the left screaming about Islamophobia to please look up Warren Jeffs, Rulon Jeffs, The Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints group.

I would assume that all the people who think that being concerned about Islam is a terrible thing, would also think that the FLDS are being persecuted for their religious beliefs. And the mechanisms they use to socially enforce their doctrine are merely cultural diversity in action, and a grand example of the wonderful diversity of mankind.

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Two guys charged with assaulting (stabbing?) immigrants in Sweden.

The dummies start coming out of the wood work.



Ezra Levant and Raheel Raza on Islamization and Moderate Islam.

www.datelinezero.com... eivik%E2%80%99s-bomb-attack/

According to a local news report: “Only hours before Anders Behring Breivik began shooting children on Utøya, the police emergency squad concluded an exercise where they practiced an almost identical situation.”

One of the paper’s police sources chalked it up “chance.”

The article at Aftenposten.no [translated here] states that they practiced this “almost identical situation” both “four days in advance, and also the same Friday that the attack was carried out.” The has been confirmed confirmed from key sources in the management of the Oslo police, according to the paper.

One of the police sources confirmed this, responding: “Chance would have it that way.”

Chance would have it that way?

Chance would have it that way.

Chance would have it that way!

Really? He just happened to have the right sort of uniform to fit into what was being done *that day*. Not the usual uniform. The one that would fit in "by chance" that day.

This is about as dumb as when cops think that the raids they keep doing of a particular gang just never work.... but the secretary, or the court stenographer, just happens to be the wife of a gang member. Or smoke weed all the time by never buy it. It's a MYSTERY! Who knows how they keep finding out!

And if it is a woman, if you think he clams up about his male contacts....

Wise men should enjoy moments of whimsy, don't you think? I like Monty Python.... don't you?

"Brian: You are all individuals!
The Crowd: We are all individuals!"

Such a funny movie. I have to watch it again soon.

I am very very angry with you.

Some people jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. And some people get PUSHED.

Anders is the Beta.

the new mexican drug cartel is " the templar knights" see l.a.times.

Originally posted by p51mustang
the new mexican drug cartel is " the templar knights" see l.a.times.

They aren't new. Just people's awareness of the name is high currently.

Amazing how many of these people link back to the same web server, the one guy, and the same set of people.

If anyone ever gives you a print out of this thread Anders - your friends suck. That saying "With friends like these, who needs enemies?" Yeah, you got that.

Even on the ideological level alone, they totally are threw you to the wolves.


You want in Anders' head? His buddy is now using one of the women to hide behind. Get him to thinking about that. If Anders is all honour. His buddy is all Mr.Practical. What's Mr.Practical going to do when he turns his practicality on one of their female friends?

A person who has broken down the uniform that Breivik requested to wear to court.

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My guess at a diagnosis:

Prioprioception area of the parietal lobe, un-diagnosed disorder from childhood, possibly including problems with gross motor planning. Genetic predisposition to Narcissistic Personality Disorder (bet his father is). Compensation strategies including seeking out of input from exercise, and constant rehearsal of actions to get them perfect. Compensation strategy working in combination with narcissistic predisposition. Suggestibility associated to the parietal lobe dysfunction, even seen in his reactions to how well he responds to being interviewed and rehearsal type re-enactment showcasing a form of suggestible recall. Possibly suggesting lesions in the parietal lobe. Differently functioning parietal lobe also impacts the experience of fantasy. Gaming in first-person re-enforcement and seeking-behaviour exacerbated by the effect of the differently functioning prioprioception and parietal lobe and an increased suggestibility giving an enhanced sense of actualization in the altered body ownership reaction to the first-person gaming experience.

That's my guess. Guess I'll have to wait to see the trial to see how close I got.

Depending on if they can prove this multiple vector dysfunction, and they might be able to if they assess how his brain is functioning normal and when in game, and if they can see lesions he could have a decent chance at some sort of defense or at least being removed to a different type of prison.

They are already prepping the one prison for him. This presumes that he'll be there. Which presumes what sort of sentence he is getting. Meaning, he's already been tried and convicted before they even hit the trial and before the defense even has a real chance to have him assessed themselves. Maybe in Norway you aren't allowed to do that - the abbreviated latitude of action the defense has is seriously astonishing to me. In that case, my guesses are outside of the norm and therefore are unlikely to be given by prosecution based clinicians.

edit to add: increased testosterone has a posited effect on moral decision making. If you work backwards to when he started to move from being very conservative to showing signs of loosening of moral constrictions and a mounting fascination with fantasy, you may find a correlation to when he started using testosterone. He was using it to increase aggression....the loosening of moral decision making might have been an unexpected side effect that with underlying dysfunctions or brain abnormalities might have taken him out of the range of normal functioning in a way that he couldn't have expected.

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They be trying a reverse way of introducing the idea that he might be gay. It took them 9 weeks to figure out how to go with this angle and not be accused of homophobia. I literally laughed out loud reading this.

I've been waiting to see how they were gonna work this one...its too good for them to not try to use it.

Going to plumb the "gay rage" angle.

One of the people he has in his group of people who are concerned about Islamic Conquest is gay. Breivik threw his net wide about who his potential ideological compatriots are based on people that he knows.

Only people truly blinded by their ideology would not be aware that there are going to be homosexauls who reject tolerance to Islam. They have quite a lot to lose in the exchange. Like....everything. Some of them are not so stupified by the tolerance mantra they don't notice this.

But I'm sure it is very convenient to pretend they don't "get" this, and instead go with the Gay-Rage angle.

(And hey look - he's back to being clean cut again from the same set of photos. Wow, he has magic stubble.)

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The psychiatrists who've been interviewing him may be disqualified based on their lack of impartiality being that they are in a group that is seeing his Mother. I would also assume that it is likely that they are in a group of collegues who are seeing victims.

As I pointed out earlier - they've already displayed a breech in their professional ethics by being so concerned with their report they left their subject suicidal.

Guess that someone should have considered bringing in a foreign set of mental health clinicians so that they could not be claimed to be biased. Irony.

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More on taking Breivik back to his farm to look for details. They are obviously very aware of his hyper suggestibility, to continuously use this method when it isn't a commonly employed method.

Pretty farm. Much nicer than the original photos used, where they looked like they'd tried really hard to find the worst possible spot for effect.


(If anyone is following, there are side stories of victims having problems with the system, issues with law enforcement, and today there is a great story about Marcel Gleffe who is going to be awarded a Medal of Merit for his actions on July 22. These are outside of my range of specific interest here, but if you are interested you can find these stories of heroes and victims and as a panorama of the human story here. I'm not posting them, unless they specifically are about Breivik, his group, his actions, his writings, his prosecution, his defense, or a related propaganda issue.)

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The politicians are looking for ways to figure out how to change their laws to make it so that someone cannot be released.

Not based on the *crime* but based on how people might FEEL about it.

What a fantastic basis for human law. My stomach flipped reading this.

“I would like an evaluation of whether we can use other measures, for example that a release would be objectionable or offensive to society,” Storberget told NTB.

There's an idea ripe for political misuse.

What if Anders was popular, so his crime wasn't as "objectionable to society?"

Is this what happens when you stop accepting that there is a real basis of right and wrong? That your views on what justice is based on is about how the public might FEEL about it? Wouldn't want to be unpopular in that society. So if you were a "Dexter" and you only killed people who people really didn't mind they were dead, would Dexter's sentence be less than Breivik's?

This also is probably grandstanding. The prosecution looks to be trying him for the deaths individually. Which could end up being 21 years each * 68 people + charges for other harm.

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The police have 35 000 HOURS ***HOURS** of video of the attacks.

1.4 MILLION conversations recorded.

They are going through all his contacts in the days leading up.

You want his primary most important contacts that relate to this case?

I posted them here. No need to red-black your way methodically over 1.4 MILLION conversations. The 6 people you most need to concentrate on are on the link I provided. 5 and then the owner of the web server are your primary points that need to be addressed.

Maybe you could imagine that a couple of them might be interested in martial arts, politics and online gaming.

I know that everyone likes their methodology, but don't you think you could just imagine for a moment that you could continue with your labourious methodology AND put one or two people on it? Imagine that for a moment, somebody who has a long term presence in the stream might recognize someone else who does and know how to see them in it. Just imagine that might be true for a moment. A day. Put someone bright with some computer skills on it for a day. Just one. Come on.

Maybe you could just get their names, and then ping them against your million points of other data and see what comes out. One who did martial arts with him, and maybe goes to the same dojo as one of your bomb squad, or their support staff. Maybe one of those names is found in your 700 tips about him at the gay club. If you have the names, and you ping them against what you got, some of those names just seem to pop out of the pile. Give it a try. Maybe the owner of the webserver did some work with Breivik, since they were in the same type of field. His out of country stuff maybe. Its a possibility. You know, since it appears Breivik had more than the normal access to the webservers functions for normal member.

This one is a complete supposition, but....

I see that they are looking for film that Breivik did some recognisance before hand. Which he says he did, and they can't find any CCTV action on.

But Anders personal conception of himself is "extended" outside of himself. Seeing it in first person but not being there in person is entirely likely for him to be processed as a first person event.

Maybe one of those people on that group happens to be on them? Wearing some sort of recording devices, or has an uplink, that sort of thing.

(come on. one of you can send this to them if they are too dumb to look themselves. I really have absolutely no interest in having to answer questions trying to explain some semi-mystical-sub-conscious type of reason how I know Anders to cops from another country. Its probably the same reason I can spot a not-real poster. I can't get the ones form where I am to take my report when I say I saw the guy who cased my neighbours house last summer the day before he robbed it. If I can't tell cops I saw a robber with my own damn eyes, you think that they are going to believe this from across the ocean about someone I've never met even online? I have a pic of group's front page from before it started getting seriously edited. I'll post it for you. Then you can be nice, and pass it on. You know you want to. )

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