UFOs or Space Junk Near the Surface of the Moon?

reply to post by K-PAX-PROT


Well i was hoping to see some conclusive evidence but what i saw was not much really... how is one supposed to have any explanation for something which is hardly visible???

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Pimander
Makes sense to me, Jim. If Arbitrageur is correct then they will clearly have lots of similar footage.

Not necessarily. If they don't have water droplets on the lens or window then they wouldn't have the appearance of water droplets in their photography. In fact, photographers usually try to avoid any kind of contamination on the lens, including water droplets, if possible.

But they would obviously, in the thousands on hours of filming the moon over the years, have had some droplets appear on their lens.

Your double standards are so blatant. The levels of proof required for your own explanation are so much lower than what you would require for any other explanation.

If you can't produce a similar video artefact caused by droplets then your proclamation remains speculation. It may be educated but it is still speculation. There must be similar footage around if you are right. If you can't find any, it's probably because you are wrong.

Originally posted by Pimander
I have read the whole thread and you have not convinced me. All you have done is proclaimed that it is droplets of moisture. Who made you the arbiter of what conclusions we can draw? Arbitrageur says something so it's true? You need to do better than that.

I did more than that, I explained the physics of how it happens.

Do you have some examples of this effect in lunar shots? It must be common considering how many times cameras have been pointed art the moon. Or can't you find any?

Like I said, if I see this, I clean my lens, as I suspect other photographers do. The contamination on the lens interferes with good photography.

TheAnnouncementMovement said he saw another video that had the same effect and it confirmed it was something on the lens, referenced in this post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by TheAnnouncementMovement
That was a comment about the other video with the same anomaly. They're specs of dust or something on the lense, they don't move. Only the moon moves, those objects are staying perfectly still. It's the same in both videos. But in the one I was commenting about, you can clearly see it move with the camera at around 11 seconds in.

I'm actually pretty sure it's some kind of contamination with the optical system. It could be some other things besides water droplets that would cause a similar effect

Originally posted by Pervius
Dig out your old 35mm photo negatives. On those negatives take the black portion (usually found on the end of one of the negatives) and cut it off. Get some cardboard and tape and make a "cap" for your telescope with 1 or 2 layers of that black film on the end for light to pass thru.

With that on your telescope you will only see Ulra-violet....the moons brightness will disappear since you are blocking out everything except Ultra-violet and you will EASILY see objects circling the moon.

Looks like the moon picked up some hitch hikers and they are HUGE!

Lets see some footage then. I don't have a telescope here. That's a bold claim.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I'd say it could be atmospheric distortion, much like we can sometimes see at a sunset:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9f866ad7e93e.jpg[/atsimg]

Oh! That's this one solved then. The video in the OP looks just like that doesn't it.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I'm actually pretty sure it's some kind of contamination with the optical system. It could be some other things besides water droplets that would cause a similar effect

You might well be right. You might be wrong too though. What kind of level of proof would you require from me if I were the one making a claim. You need some real evidence and I still don't see any.

reply to post by Pimander

Different but similar. I'm just saying the same mechanics of thermal atmospheric distortion could be in effect.

The thermal atmospheric distortions at sunset will be much greater, because of the thickness of the atmosphere through which the Sun is viewed. That's why (as I said in my post) atmospheric distortion of a sunset is much more visible, while the possible distortion of the Moon video is much more subtle.

The distortion of the Sun at sunset is a larger and more noticeable result of this distortion, which could be working at a smaller scale in that Moon video.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7153e571aa06.jpg[/atsimg]

Originally posted by Pimander
You might well be right. You might be wrong too though. What kind of level of proof would you require from me if I were the one making a claim. You need some real evidence and I still don't see any.

Proof is simple, just post in the comments section of the youtube video a suggestion asking the photographer if he'd be willing to clean his lens and any window he might be shooting though, and see if it goes away. I'm pretty sure if he cleans everything, it will go away, unless there's something he forgot to clean.

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True, but that would be research not speculation. To speculate without any other facts would be pointless.

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by K-PAX-PROT

 

Well i was hoping to see some conclusive evidence but what i saw was not much really... how is one supposed to have any explanation for something which is hardly visible???

Well some objects are visible that should not be there;I did not post this video with the intention of claiming " conclusive evidence" of anything but did so in hoping i would get some feed back and opinions on what these objects could possibly be;

Big thanks to all who have taken the time and trouble to respond to this thread, interesting views and opinions expressed through out the discussions on this video;Whatever the explanations turn out to be on this video its got me and some of you scratching our heads and that's the beauty here that some things just might be what they appear to be in origin , that is they might just make our perception of this universe that little bit more of a real wonder;

I've been watching the stars and galaxies and planets and stuff up there since I was 7 yrs old, right? And this is something that is really bugging me because I can't really identify this thing. Everytime I try to pull up the infrared it blacks OUT! But anyway, for about the past two weeks I've been steadily and heavily watching the LEO, Cancer, Sextans and Virgo galaxies because ELEnin is right between Leo and Sextans. So anyway, we've been seeing this thing flying around in the sky and can't figure out what the hell it is!! What the heck man? See, I'm the type of person that has to have SOLID proof to actually believe something. Most of the time I just do this for fun, I'm a pragmatist, su me! Anyway, I watched that thing go from way over to the right of Cancer, pass through Sextans, then Leo, then Virgo all the way to the big dipper in less than a MINUTE and just disappears after a while. It has to be traveling at at LEAST 5,000MPH! Now when I tell you this thing is FLYING, I mean FLYING, maybe moving even faster than that! Probably is. Do you know how many miles that is between ALL those constellations??? UFO??? Perhaps! It's not a bird, it's not a plane, it's not a weathervane, not a satellite and it's DEFINITELY NOT Superman!

Let's pretend that this were a UFO, which to you and I, yes it is...

Hey here's an idea why don't we continue to ask the government or NASA if these are UFOs with aliens inside so then they don't even have to lie in saying no they are not? "Hey random government official, are do alien lifeforms fly around in UNIDENTIFIED flying objects?"

First of all, if they have done enough research as to figure out that there are aliens in some flying craft then it kind of falls out of the unidentified category. I wish people would realize this and refrain from this common fallacy when referring to aliens. It reinforces the fact that the public knows nothing compared to them and that they can offer up any explanation and the majority will hold confidence in it.

Secondly, when the scientists come out and explain it away, notice how they use absolutely no scientific evidence that aliens actually have not been to earth except for misquoting an unproven theory of Einstien that doesn't say that it is impossible for an object with mass to travel at the speed of light... However, what they do say is "I have no scientific evidence to prove that. So, right now I'm going to act like no scientist ever would, not look for any proof at all, ignore things right in front of my face, and finally declare "scientifically", based on the fact that statistically I am at a disadvantage, that aliens have not visited earth."

Hmmmm... That's quite the scientist, with quite the lesson: "There's a reason why people like me are scientists and people like you aren't. It's called education. After 60 years you all still can't even ask the proper question. Why on Earth would I give you a proper answer?" (notice the pun)

Please tell me someone other than me sees the lunacy of this all, not to mention the endless conundrum we fall into so easily.

by the way those are probably just satellites or weather balloons or something; the one's in the video, that is!

reply to post by bhornbuckle75

reply to post by JimOberg


When replying with a post, that contains quoted statements from another individual, it is a good idea to double-check what you have quoted/posted. When dealing with multiple quotes from multiple individuals, the preview function is sometimes flawed. Both of these posts have misquoted me.



ETA: and here is an example of how misquoting can lead to confusion-

Originally posted by bhornbuckle75
....My only intention was to clarify the meaning behind the term "swamp gas" in a rather basic way to [color=E0FFFF]someone who seemed to be completely unfamiliar with it, and also to explain why some people (including myself) find it amusing.

I do not know who '[color=E0FFFF]someone ' is. I think I am '[color=E0FFFF]someone ,' but I just don't know for sure, because the statement about '[color=E0FFFF]someone ,' is false. It should have been obvious, that my original statement was made in regards to the previously mentioned term, in relation to it being used on this site.

I was not looking for a history lesson. I was simply pointing out that this useless term is nothing more than futile gibberish.

Originally posted by MurderMyLove
I've been watching the stars and galaxies and planets and stuff up there since I was 7 yrs old, right? And this is something that is really bugging me because I can't really identify this thing. Everytime I try to pull up the infrared it blacks OUT! But anyway, for about the past two weeks I've been steadily and heavily watching the LEO, Cancer, Sextans and Virgo galaxies because ELEnin is right between Leo and Sextans. So anyway, we've been seeing this thing flying around in the sky and can't figure out what the hell it is!! What the heck man? See, I'm the type of person that has to have SOLID proof to actually believe something. Most of the time I just do this for fun, I'm a pragmatist, su me! Anyway, I watched that thing go from way over to the right of Cancer, pass through Sextans, then Leo, then Virgo all the way to the big dipper in less than a MINUTE and just disappears after a while. It has to be traveling at at LEAST 5,000MPH! Now when I tell you this thing is FLYING, I mean FLYING, maybe moving even faster than that! Probably is. Do you know how many miles that is between ALL those constellations??? UFO??? Perhaps! It's not a bird, it's not a plane, it's not a weathervane, not a satellite and it's DEFINITELY NOT Superman!

Thats a cool sighting , got me stumped after i read your description of what you where observing;Maybe some of our resident astronomers on here can offer some insights as to what this could be, cheers for sharing your observation;

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Pimander
You might well be right. You might be wrong too though. What kind of level of proof would you require from me if I were the one making a claim. You need some real evidence and I still don't see any.

Proof is simple, just post in the comments section of the youtube video a suggestion asking the photographer if he'd be willing to clean his lens and any window he might be shooting though, and see if it goes away. I'm pretty sure if he cleans everything, it will go away, unless there's something he forgot to clean.

Conversely, corroborating evidence would be extremely interesting.

Originally posted by Pervius
Dig out your old 35mm photo negatives. On those negatives take the black portion (usually found on the end of one of the negatives) and cut it off. Get some cardboard and tape and make a "cap" for your telescope with 1 or 2 layers of that black film on the end for light to pass thru.

With that on your telescope you will only see Ulra-violet....the moons brightness will disappear since you are blocking out everything except Ultra-violet and you will EASILY see objects circling the moon.

Looks like the moon picked up some hitch hikers and they are HUGE!

I'm looking forward to seeing if any footage appears to confirm this claim. I won't hold my breath but it would be fascinating if it did.

Double post!

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I agree it would be interesting if repeated after cleaning however a non-repeat doesn't prove water droplets responsible.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Pimander

 

I agree it would be interesting if repeated after cleaning however a non-repeat doesn't prove water droplets responsible.

Agreed. However, if the "objects" are there it must be possible to get some corroborating footage which is why Pervius' claim is significant.

On the other hand, if the "objects are just an artefact, then the artefact must have been produced before so corroborating footage for that claim should appear

The absence of footage corroborating either possibility so far means this case is still open. Don't let anyone fool you into believing otherwise as that is the scientific position regarding this case.

Go to youtube with full screen and set for 720p and watch. the junk objects are projecting across the surface of the moon. i do not believe it is the thermal qualities of the scope lens. especially the 020 seconds and the 047 second clips..