UFOs or Space Junk Near the Surface of the Moon?

Originally posted by K-PAX-PROT
Did a ATS search and came up blank on this vid below;Space junk?There are clearly objects appearing at different times here but its hard to say how far or near the Moons surface these objects are; Thoughts anyone;

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Originally posted by VraxUK
I always wonder why some people HAVE to debunk things, and sometimes coming up with ludicrous explanations?

Well simple really... they lurk around ATS all day just ready to pounce on anything because they have a NEED to convince everyone there are no Aliens. If they ever had to admit that a video might be real it would mess up their day

In this desperate need, they will come up with anything and convince themselves they are right and try to make everyone believe it

What is funny is that each skeptic comes up with something different. If they were all on the same page, well maybe, but the point is they are not sure themselves.

I find it very entertaining to watch the show as they star each other... mirage, lens aberration, water drops, swamp gas joke, space debris... in other words, no one really knows what they are

I watched the video on 1080p on an excellent monitor. When the objects appeared I held a ruler up to the screen and noticed that they are stationary, so either the moon is moving behind them, or the earth is moving, or both. I think if they were water droplets or debris on the lens, then they would not be as resolved as they are, or not at all.

No idea what the objects are.

I dont understand how people can say "these things must be massive" when there is no way to reference scale. They could be anywhere from lunar orbit to just close enough to the telescope to resolved.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
The motion of the droplets would then be open to questions of cause. What could cause their apparent motion? From Arby's posts, this could be explained by capillary action under conditions such as a breeze and humidity.

Originally posted by Pilot
The "droplets" come into view because of close proximity to the surface. check
They drift from right to left at an angle (what, 30 deg. or so?) check
Because of a breeze blowing on the lens?

Is that your argument?

Originally posted by Kandinsky
For now, yes.

Feel free to rebut as the idea of UFOs is more appealing.

Have you noticed that there is another object on the lower right side of the Moon at 0:47?

You'll have to watch the smaller picture on the left to see it.

This object follows the same behaviour as the others, ie it makes a loop inwards towards the Moon, but because it comes in from a different angle, it doesn't move in the same direction as the other objects.

So that "breeze" is blowing the droplets against eachother. You could call it a "magic bullet" breeze.

The "idea of UFOs" simply means "unknown for now", and as such it imposes itself, yes.

If I would feel the need to grasp for a rational explanation, I would not go for droplets but for high flying birds at a great distance, but I don't. There are problems with that theory too (why do they all appear right at the Moon horizon, and why do they all go in towards the Moon, and not in some other direction?), so I think I'll just wait for something better to come along.

Somebody posted a couple pages back that they found another object @ 47 seconds in. It appears around the 5 o'clock position and moves upwards. It is clearly visible, just like the other thingies. But it moves upwards...

So the water droplets are being pushed about by a breeze (totally rational) but traveling radially inward?
How about this: The camera is facing effectively straight up, water is trapped inside the lens on the concave side (anybody know if this telescope has a concave or convex or some combination lens?) and so drips towards the center. The droplets are only visible near the edge of the moon because of the high contrast.

Makes sense. My only beef is that the thingies seem to appear just above the surface of the moon, then move towards the center of the moon, then turn a little bit. Anybody else see the turning in the objects' paths as they move over the moon?

Awesome video. Lots of good stuff to talk about

Originally posted by Heliocentric
Have you noticed that there is another object on the lower right side of the Moon at 0:47?

You'll have to watch the smaller picture on the left to see it.

I don't see it.

I am watching in 720 HD setting on youtube, displayed fullscreen on a 1920x1200 monitor.

Can you give a better description of the location? For example, use 90 degrees to the right and 180 degrees for straight down. How many degrees is it. Is it right at the edge of the moon? If not, how far?

Originally posted by tetsuo
Somebody posted a couple pages back that they found another object @ 47 seconds in. It appears around the 5 o'clock position and moves upwards. It is clearly visible, just like the other thingies. But it moves upwards...

Are you talking about the OP video? Because I don't see what you're talking about at the 5 o'clock position at 47 seconds.

Do you want to point it out on a screenshot?

I could post a screenshot at 47 seconds showing nothing if that would help, I don't see it.

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The moon is a gravity anchor. It does pull in a crap tone of rocks from space. In addition, rocks headed for us can sometimes be bent towards the moon and increase in speed, this causing increased heat from friction. The can only ignite from atmosphere, or from exploding by destabilization and break up at high speeds.

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Maybe try (Any Video Converter) to up the quality of the file - MP4 6000 would be a start, then use a print screen program to grab the frame you want to have a look at - Now that you have your frame put in the GIMP - Use the "unmask" instead of sharpen, this will take some time and practice .

I was already wondering if there were any scripts for the Gimp for just this purpose. Bringing up very small detail.

Good Luck

Originally posted by Kandinsky
The motion of the droplets would then be open to questions of cause. What could cause their apparent motion? From Arby's posts, this could be explained by capillary action under conditions such as a breeze and humidity.

I'm not sure what motion you're referring to. Basically the net motion over time of the droplets appears to me to be zero. They are stationary, it's the moon that's moving (actually it's the Earth that's rotating causing apparent motion of the moon).

However there is some general motion and distortion in the video which normally occurs in amateur photography of the sky. The undulating effect is a result of atmospheric distortion, that's why the edge of the moon looks so wavy. Obviously the edge of the moon isn't undulating as seen in the video. Professional astronomers use adaptive optics to compensate for this type of motion.

Adaptive optics (AO) is a technology used to improve the performance of optical systems by reducing the effect of wavefront distortions. It is used in astronomical telescopes[1] and laser communication systems to remove the effects of atmospheric distortion...

Another possible effect that might be occurring in the right pane of the video could be an artifact of whatever technique was used to stabilize the moon position. Since the moon is seen moving in the left pane, that particular effect wouldn't be seen in the left pane.

Space junk maybe? Greeneyedleo posted this on another thread. Hope this puts into perspective how much junk is out there.




Read HERE about Orbital Debris

3). How much orbital debris is currently in Earth orbit?
Approximately 19,000 objects larger than 10 cm are known to exist. The estimated population of particles between 1 and 10 cm in diameter is approximately 500,000. The number of particles smaller than 1 cm probably exceeds tens of millions.

Courtesy of this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Heliocentric
Have you noticed that there is another object on the lower right side of the Moon at 0:47?

You'll have to watch the smaller picture on the left to see it.

I don't see it.

I am watching in 720 HD setting on youtube, displayed fullscreen on a 1920x1200 monitor.

It's there. Trust me, lol.

Or keep on looking, you'll see it.

Originally posted by keepureye2thesky
Space junk maybe? Greeneyedleo posted this on another thread. Hope this puts into perspective how much junk is out there.

Yes, around planet Earth. Less traffic around the Moon, though, and it's all is accounted for.

It should be a piece of cake for you to track down what space junk you're referring to.

Originally posted by Pilot
The "droplets" come into view because of close proximity to the surface. check
They drift from right to left at an angle (what, 30 deg. or so?) check
Because of a breeze blowing on the lens?

Is that your argument?

No breeze. They just wiggle around a little due to distortion, they don't really move.

Originally posted by ADEzor
Damn, this video seemed so convincing in the beginning. I'm open for UFO's nowadays in general, but I think Arbitrageur is on the right track.

Ignore the righthand video and focus to the one on the left side. When an anomaly appears, move your mouse cursor over it. It stays stationary, they all do, you can even pinpoint their locations from the lens.

Thanks. I'm glad to see you tried to test my claim in ways I didn't even suggest.

Yes the left pane is definitely a better reference because it doesn't add whatever distortion might be present in the right frame.

My main uncertainty revolves around what kind of contamination is it, and is it on the lens, or a window? But I've done a lot of photography and I've seen this before, and it's usually something on a lens or on a window, that's what this looks like. And the optical physics of refraction matches what we see.

Thanks for testing my claim. I really don't care if people believe it or not, I'm just sharing my experience with photography and knowledge of optical physics, so if anyone wants to dismiss my explanation in favor of a fleet of Klingon Battlecruisers, that's fine with me. I know some people will do that no matter what.

Another thing about these that somebody mentioned earlier was the color change after they passed over the rim of the moon and darkened to grey or black...it's most visible with number 2 and number 5. Also, one at the mid-lower right position shows up at the .58/.59 mark...it's not numbered but is one more before that very last one. is that the one tetsuo meant?

What explanation is there for the color change?

Originally posted by Pilot
What explanation is there for the color change?

The appearance, coloration, and disappearance is explained by refraction

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Pilot
What explanation is there for the color change?

The appearance, coloration, and disappearance is explained by refraction

Great, so are the droplets moving or not? We have 2 hypotheses here. You say the moon is moving into the droplets on the surface of the lens, right? All the different angles the objects move in is because of, something or other, and they are refracting space as they, no they don't move. The moon moves...I think your theory has merit, but it might not carry the day. It has to also explain the odd angles the objects move in. This is what the moving droplet hypothesis has in it's favor. Sort of.

The dots most definitely do move, if you hold a piece of paper on your screen with the edge meeting where any of the dots appear they do infact move behind the paper. Better yet if you have transparent paper you can still see the dots behind the paper after they pass the edge. I did also see the one on the bottom at 47 seconds, I caught in 480p all I needed was to know it was there to look for.

Moon dots

The biggest object appears after the "5" and before the end of the video clip.

Didn't we blast a missile into the moon awhile back? Could these be large chunks of ejecta that got captured by the moon's gravity?