Why Atheism is being promoted by TPTB

When that day comes when it all ends and you are somewhere you dont want to be dont complain!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Schrödinger
Funny how the atheists are all; HEY THATS NOT WHAT ATHEISM IS ABOUT WE ARE DESCENT HUMAN BEINGS. And then continue in the same sentence, to bash and attack the OP....

Saying the OP is wrong - - is bashing? Uh huh.

Atheist - - none belief in a deity. That is it - - that is all it means - - nothing more.

Every and ALL groups are made up of individuals. Some good - some funny - some intelligent - some bad - some . . . . well - - you get the idea.

Atheists are NOT a Group Think. Or a Group anything - for that matter. They have had to organize for political reasons to keep God out of government - - we are a secular government.

BUT - - -Christians are an organized group. Christians organize as a group to promote belief and control society.

(I use Christian because I was brought up Christian - - so I speak what I know. Other organized religions are also a group think - - but I don't know them)

edit on 9-7-2011 by Annee because: quote

Annee you know that you do not posses the simple ability to comprehend my posts, therefore I am baffled yet again, that you chose one of my posts, to write a reply to.
I will make this clear, that I have no intention of entering a formal discourse with you, because you have proven again and again, that you are here only to argue, and make personal insults against your fellow ATS members, that does not share you personal world view.
Oh the irony does hit me, when you talk about anti-group think... (So you are basically a none-group, of none-group-thinkers)
Therefore as a courtesy, this will be my only reply to you in this thread, just as I have extended you this courtesy in the past.

There where multiple post that not only was attacking and condescending in their messages, written by alleged atheists. They even generalized all religious people and talked about all religion as the "root of all evil".
Therefore it puzzles me that you seem to have the understanding that just because you "disagree" with me, or the OP, that you therefore would be bashing.
To make myself clear, once again, because you already know my standpoint on this, I thrive on disagreement, I thrive on argumentation, logic and reason. I do not thrive on your bickering, mockering, anti-social behavior.

Atheist means more than what you try and make it out to be, it can mean "lack of belief" it can also mean "none-belief" translated that means, I don't have any belief neither pro or con / I do not believe in the existence of a deity!
And atheist aren't a single group I am more than aware of that, we have strong/weak and agnosticism/atheism.

Christians aren't an organized group, I do not know where you get that drivel you call information.
There are hundreds of different groups in Christianity, and there are a ton of Christians including myself, that in no way affiliate with other Christians in anything but the name Christianity, just as you share the name with your fellow atheists.

You seem to have the false idea that secularized government, was the idea of an atheist, Kierkegaard, a Christian proposed it many hundred years ago.
It is the only logical step forward, to exclude the church from governmental affairs. Even us dimwitted Christians can see that.

There is no GROUP THINK in my Christianity, hell my wife is a Christian, and we don't even agree on everything about Christianity. We do agree on the basics, treat others like you want yourself to be treated, show mercy, compassion, and love to your fellow human beings. Forgive, yourself and your brethren.
That is all we need to agree on, the rest is just irrelevant details, but you seem to not be able to understand something as simple as this.

You last sentence is just gibberish, you don't KNOW other organized religions, but you KNOW that they group think...

Originally posted by jamsession

Originally posted by Schrödinger
Name one religion that dictates that murder is ok!
Just one.....

on unbelievers is the curse of allah. ~ sura 2:161

slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - sura 2:191

Now it has been a while since I read the Quran, but isn't there quite a hole between those two sura's?

But before you dig into the Sura's does the Quran not state you shalt not kill?
Therefore anything afterwards, stating the opposite, should be ignored.... (Or scrutinized and ridiculed)
What is the context of those two sura's? Is Mohammed talking about something specific or something general?

Originally posted by imawlinn
reply to post by Schrödinger

 

Nowhere did I state that any religion accepts, encourages, promotes or says in anyway that its ok to kill. I was trying to make a point about the number of senseless deaths, the wars waged, etc. So would you consider a death cAused by muslim car bomb a death caused by religion? I do.

This is where we disagree, and that is okay.

I think a group of fanatics/extremist is behind the car bombing, blaming a 1200 year old book seems weird to me.

Originally posted by Schrödinger
Annee you know that you do not posses the simple ability to comprehend my posts, therefore I am baffled yet again, that you chose one of my posts, to write a reply to.

I will make this clear, that I have no intention of entering a formal discourse with you, because you have proven again and again, that you are here only to argue, and make personal insults against your fellow ATS members, that does not share you personal world view.

"Posses" - - is spelled possess.

"Posses" - - is plural for posse. A group of people summoned by a sheriff to aid in law enforcement. A search party.

AGAIN: I state my opinion/viewpoint - - in short to the point statements.

Who I respond to is not relevant. I give my counter as suits me.

reply to post by Regenstorm


Last time I checked the TPTB that conquered the middle east were all Christian. If you want culprits in the suffering that has been spread all over this world, look in the mirror. Religious fanaticism, Christian or Muslim, has cost 10s of millions of lives. Christians wiped out an entire continent of Native Americans. It must be so easy to scapegoat anyone that is different from yourself. Atheists are not controlled by childish superstition. Atheists are not so terrified of death that they need to make up fairytales to give their lives meaning. Atheists are not the hypocrites who take advantage of the rewards of the scientific method on a daily basis and yet still cling to beliefs that have absolutely no evidence to back them up.

It's ignorant cowards that ran this country's economy into the ground fighting a war against a word. Have fun with your rant.

Originally posted by Regenstorm
Atheism is a "all Clear"-Sign for taking no responsibility for "your" actions. It's a free ticket for egoism, narcissism, cheating, lying, violence, vulgarity and indecent behavior. Because according to atheists there is no life after death, it's just this one time that you are here. So "you" want to have as much fun as possible regardless of the consequences for the rest of the world/people. Right?

On the contrary, atheism is about taking full responsibility for your actions and your life. It's about not blaming or thanking or cursing fictional characters for all the good and bad. Because there is no life after death, you do good for its own sake rather than out of primitive fear of the wraith of a divine being. You practice morality because it is the right thing not because God says to. You want to take full advantage of every day, doing good wherever possible so that your life has meaning and you are remembered. You don't sit around plotting to kill a billion muslims who think and dress differently from yourself.

reply to post by Regenstorm
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I'm atheist and completely disagree. That is a misconception . I dont believe in life after death, so I believe since we only have this one life we should help each other and be kind to others so we can have a peaceful life. I actually believe religion gets in the way of this. I dont know any violent atheists or people who commit crimes or anything in the name of atheism. You might want to check on the number of religious people in prison. Also, the most peaceful countries happen to be the ones with the highest atheist population. So, what you're saying is false.

"If" their is a god, she is far beyond the comprehension of human beings. All religions are human-made constructs designed to control and use the populace for the powers that be. The Christian Crusades of the dark ages clearly demonstrates this. Since the beginning of our lost history many deaths have been performed in the name of a non-existent God

Their is much we don't understand about our world, universe and even dimension. I am certain that IF their is a creator, and I doubt it, this God is bound by the natural laws of physics and more. For me, atheism is a rejection of all human-created religions because they are flawed and clearly cannot define the laws of the universe or even understand the true nature of a creator should she exist.

Despite my lack of belief I have morals, standards and cherish human life. When I die my legacy will be what I did to help future generations, my children and my community.

reply to post by Regenstorm


Only if you believe that those things come with Atheism. When I was an atheist I was no those things.

Simple fact is sometimes you can have no religion and still believe humanity is worth protecting and honor is good.

Now I don't know how many generations that can last without a God. But to claim that the individual cannot be good without God is false. I simply doubt that can be maintained past a few generations.

Atheism is promoted because there is no god. Man made up the concept of god and man wrote every holy book ever written. You and your superstitions are ridiculous. An invisible being in the sky that doesn't want me to curse? Really? An invisible being that is omnipotent but can't stop a 2 year old from getting cancer and dying, can't stop hundreds of thousands from dying in an earthquake in Haiti, or hundreds of thousands from dying in Tsunamis? That is either a powerless god you have or one that doesn't give a crap about people.

reply to post by Regenstorm


Seriously? French words put to aramaic? What? Ok I'll play: Jesus "That kid that lives down the street" Christ Taken from the ol' french for what? Light? Sweet! Awesome that a language that wasn't even in existence can sum up your buddy. My guys name is Hardy Atchison, french for "Of big hearty nature, also named Atchinson"

J

reply to post by andrewh7


Thanks for the simple truthful speak. Right on!

CJ

Faith and belief are opposed to reason, knowledge, and inquiry.

Christianity's morals are based off of Platonism. An atheist may follow the exact same moral philosophies as the christians do without believing in a god. Atheists don't necessarily need a fear of judgement in the afterlife to promote the same morals.

I don't see why The Powers That Be would use atheism as a vehicle to enslave the human race. I think you're giving too much credit to humanity. I find it impossible that is there is some group of people (the banks, the government, the zionists etc.) controlling the world and slowly deteriorating us into godless enslaved automatons. No one is capable of that. We just enslave ourselves and find a need to blame someone else—the captain of the ship—but the world is rudderless.

What tripe. 'Atheism' as you call it is not some idiotic dogmatic mindset they want us all to have. You are trying to paint non-religion as some kind of unmoralistic cult. You are bang out of order.

So by this twisted logic anyone who does not believe in an omnipotent supernatural entity or the afterlife or ghosts or any other aspect of this out-dated boogeyman based mind control caper thought up by the church eons ago to control the uneducated and stupid masses...lacks common sense?

I'll tell you who lack common sense. Religious folk. I regard any religious people I encounter as just a wee bit mentally ill and I give them a wide berth. In my experience they tend to be very flaky and unreliable people. sorry.

Great, another one of these "hurr durr!! Atheists are bad!" threads...

I am an atheist. So I'm outright offended when people just assume that non-belief in a God means that I'm gonna go down the street and murder someone or do some other despicable act against another human being. To throw in that the "TPTB" are promoting this to wear down people's morals is just plain ignorant and silly. Rarely in the media have I seen Atheism viewed in a positive light, its mainly the views of Christians being shoved down the throats of the masses.

I think of myself as more of an agnostic than atheist. I cannot positively say that there is no god so why would I try to? Maybe TBTB realize our civilization cannot expand without evolution and they want to thin the herd so to speak. We rely on technology so much that our evolution has branched off into something perverted and out of sync with nature. I think the TBTB are guardians of humanity and they want the species to survive past our extinction event, whenever that may be.

Originally posted by zero1020
I think the TBTB are guardians of humanity and they want the species to survive past our extinction event, whenever that may be.

Wow. A post that actually puts the "TPTB" in a positive light. I've got to give you kudos for that.

I actually somewhat agree with your post; why exactly does the "TPTB" have to be a malevolent force? Maybe they are just trying to look out for what's best for the survival of civilization.

Originally posted by Ihsahn

Originally posted by zero1020
I think the TBTB are guardians of humanity and they want the species to survive past our extinction event, whenever that may be.

Wow. A post that actually puts the "TPTB" in a positive light. I've got to give you kudos for that.

I actually somewhat agree with your post; why exactly does the "TPTB" have to be a malevolent force? Maybe they are just trying to look out for what's best for the survival of civilization.

I agree too.

But - - that's a different discussion.

reply to post by Regenstorm


Only among religious people will you find the following argument;

"You lack the notion of an always-loving father who will let you commit mass murder so long as you either do it in a way outlined by hairy desert nomads three thousand years ago, or tell him "I'm sorry" in your secret prayers. You clearly can't be trusted to take responsibility for your own actions!"

You can call me vulgar all you want; Just remember, it's not MY team raping little boys and flying planes into buildings.