Why Atheism is being promoted by TPTB

reply to post by ExistentialNightmare


Just pointing out the fact that true Christians wouldn't do the things atheists try to pin on them.

Oh and laters.

The Christians back then are different from the Christians of today.

Do you see them killing anybody these days?Wow talk about reaching!

How can you even compare the two?Times have changed,and so have religions.The Christians aren't killing anybody so anyone who says "the Christians killed thousands" are only trying to deceive people into thinking Christians are murderers!Back in the days where every religion was killing every other religion who had different beliefs than them!Holy wars are STILL ongoing.Just look at Israel and Pakistan..Why are they fighting??Think about it!

And are some people actually trying to say the Christians(back then)were the only ones who killed for stupid reasons?I don't think so!

So that excuse is redundant.We're talking about the Christians of today,not back then when it was crazy.Christians just want people to have faith and be good to each other!And I'm not even a Christian,it's just what I see.Atheists have that "there is no God" so f*** it attitude!And that attitude is being projected on to our kids!Hence the whole denouncing of God happening every where!

Wow 13 pages of bickering. This whole thread has digressed to name calling and squabbling. Atheists like myself will never become religious, so stop trying to "convert" or "assimilate" atheists to make yourself feel better about your beliefs. Theists just cannot comprehend that someone can be free thinking and intelligent enough not to be duped into believing in fairy tales about a man in the sky. I would venture to say that at least 50% of religious folks are only religious because of fear of being an outcast or fear of the negative stigma that has been wrongly placed on "nonbelieves" by bible thumpers.
Its really sad to see these "believers" desperately try to prove their case with absolutely no evidence. Truly sad.

But they have to try. To help convince themselves that they have made the right choice.

reply to post by imawlinn


Soo..life isn't proof enough?The human body alone consists of intelligent design.The solar system is proof of intelligent design,the planet is in perfect balance with the sun for us to survive.There are thousands of proofs lol.Male and female make life..isn't that cool?

Look at your finger prints..no 2 prints the same,why?Have we been marked?

You actually believe all these awesome things like beautiful sunsets and scenery's or all the different types of animals or that hot chick that lives down the street came from nothing?Just magically appeared right?

And people are going to argue or bicker or debate(which is the politer term)over the religion "theory" we'll call it(meanwhile coming from nothing is also an unprovable theory..actually life is proof a creator/God)people are going to argue because they aren't really sure who's right.But I think all life an everything in it is proof of a creator/God because it's just to intricate to be otherwise!Proof of an intelligent design is everywhere,so who is the designer..God..Aliens?Maybe God is an alien?But then who or what created the aliens?God isn't an alien life form because he would have had to of created the aliens!And aliens can die according the the Roswell incident..if it actually occurred because I don't really know anyone's guess is as good as mine.It's all theory!How long did they say the world was flat?lol

reply to post by imawlinn


Nobody's asking you to. So don't imagine any one is forcing you to either. I am a bit concerned for all of you tho.



No shame in proclaiming Atheism ? phff!

reply to post by Annee


Atheism is a phobia like religion or fanatism of any sort, that compel you to refute any thing contrary to the core concept.
As for my opinion, I like to put religion and atheism in the same bag.

If the only reason somebody behaves like a good person is because they have a 'fear of god' then, they're not a good person to begin with.

reply to post by NotTooHappy


My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just
and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing
this universe with when I called it unjust? If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why
did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such a violent reaction against it?... Of course I could
have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own.
But if i did that, then my argument against Creation, God collapsed too--for the argument depended on saying
the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my fancies.
Thus, in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist - in other words, that the whole of reality was
senseless - I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality - namely my idea of justice - was full of sense.
If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were
no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never have known it was dark. Dark would
be without meaning.
C.S. Lewis

reply to post by kacou

Atheism is a phobia like religion or fanatism of any sort, that compel you to refute any thing contrary to the core concept.

Atheism, by definition, is a lack of belief. (and generally it means against Theism....religion)

There shouldn't really be a label for a lack of belief. I've heard no one declare themselves an Auincornist. I've heard of no Apixiests.

Many "deists" are against religion too; it's not just atheists. And on the other hand, some atheists support religion (if not in it's truthfullness, but it's usefulness)

As for my opinion, I like to put religion and atheism in the same bag.

Atheism has no dogma; no required beliefs; no tax-free churches to attend or holy days to keep.

reply to post by imawlinn

There's war in the middLe east because of religion!

No the materialistic western societies want the resources of the middle east and religion of the middle east is the only thing stopping them.

Originally posted by kacou
reply to post by Annee

 

Atheism is a phobia like religion or fanatism of any sort, that compel you to refute any thing contrary to the core concept.
As for my opinion, I like to put religion and atheism in the same bag.

A phobia? That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Of course no one knows for sure how life began or whatever. That is why both god believers and Atheists are Agnostic.

Originally posted by GodIsPissed
reply to post by imawlinn

 

Soo..life isn't proof enough?The human body alone consists of intelligent design.The solar system is proof of intelligent design,the planet is in perfect balance with the sun for us to survive.There are thousands of proofs lol.Male and female make life..isn't that cool?

Look at your finger prints..no 2 prints the same,why?Have we been marked?

You actually believe all these awesome things like beautiful sunsets and scenery's or all the different types of animals or that hot chick that lives down the street came from nothing?Just magically appeared right?

And people are going to argue or bicker or debate(which is the politer term)over the religion "theory" we'll call it(meanwhile coming from nothing is also an unprovable theory..actually life is proof a creator/God)people are going to argue because they aren't really sure who's right.But I think all life an everything in it is proof of a creator/God because it's just to intricate to be otherwise!Proof of an intelligent design is everywhere,so who is the designer..God..Aliens?Maybe God is an alien?But then who or what created the aliens?God isn't an alien life form because he would have had to of created the aliens!And aliens can die according the the Roswell incident..if it actually occurred because I don't really know anyone's guess is as good as mine.It's all theory!How long did they say the world was flat?lol

Everything did come from nothing.

I wouldn't reply to one specific !
When people gather a round one concept idea they automatically creat a dogma which in turn is a phobia. You don't see it this way and like to think that a certainty in believe ...what ever the believe...god or non...can be justify by a certain idea which refute the opposite .
People usually hide behind words and definition, in they comfortable intellect like to justify all sort of definite so called concept.
End of the story,

reply to post by GodIsPissed

The human body alone consists of intelligent design.

Nope. The human body is used as an argument against the idea that we have been intelligently designed. Look at how fragile our bodies are; we die if our body temperature goes above or below a few degrees of 37°C; we breathe oxygen whereas most of the atmosphere consists of nitrogen; we cannot drink sea water even though it makes up ~97% of all the water on the planet; we can't breathe underwater even though our 75% of the planet is covered in water; we grow old; we still have an appendix.

The list goes on.

The solar system is proof of intelligent design,the planet is in perfect balance with the sun for us to survive.

It isn't really in a perfect balance with the sun as its orbital distance varies all year round.

Male and female make life..isn't that cool?

Yes it is.That doesn't mean that it is proof for the concept of ID

You actually believe all these awesome things like beautiful sunsets and scenery's or all the different types of animals or that hot chick that lives down the street came from nothing?Just magically appeared right?

So do you. Only instead of calling that something 'The Big Bang', you call it 'god'

One of the biggest pieces of evidence that completely discredits intelligent design is the recurrent laryngeal nerve, this nerve is responsible for movement in the larynx (the voice box). The nerve's route would have been direct in the fish-like ancestors of modern tetrapods, traveling from the brain, past the heart, to the gills (as it does in modern fish).

Over the course of evolution, as the neck extended and the heart became lower in the body, the laryngeal nerve was caught on the wrong side of the heart. Natural selection gradually lengthened the nerve by tiny increments to accommodate, resulting in the absurdly circuitous route now observed, which, if designed, could only be described as unintelligent.

reply to post by Griffo


It seems to be that you think if something does not make sense to the "great" Scientists, then it is considered unintelligent.

Wow. Nice try though.

reply to post by Conclusion1


Intelligence is a word we use to describe life on Earth (he is intelligent, that ape is more intelligent etc.)

Griffo has highlighted vestigiality in animals (our appendix, the giraffe's largyngeal nerve)

The universe isn't intelligent in that sense that it can't reverse mistakes; it can't go back to the drawing board, nature has no forsight.

Intelligent design could be considered as an unfalsifiable hypothesis; it's a hypothesis in which we have to assume the INTELLIGENT designer has willed 99.8% of all species that have ever existed to be extinct. It's a designer that has allowed a collision course between the Milky Way and the Andromeda Gallaxy. Again, it's up to everyone to decide if that's to be considered intelligent, or even benevolent.

I reply in reference of the last vid above, not to people.
The same scientist was in some lecture few years a go praising the brilliancy of our solar system and why you couldn't have it any other way...right. He was going about how the odd for the life to have happen is behind counting...in simple term the solar system is more then fantastic to have every thing it needs for life....
Now on this propaganda lecture, they show how unintelligent the design (if design !) of this particular organ is.
I like that human can notice things, what I don't like is when human use they knowledge to amplify a certitude of thought and not data....they playing the same game of the creationism.

reply to post by kacou


No scientist is denying something greater than themselves; and no scientist can state whether there is a cause to reality; whether reality is infinite; we just don't have that information (yet)

But there are some flaws in the "intelligent" design argument. Of course, there's no way to prove that it's NOT a design, it could be a design. But the intelligent aspect is lacking coherence.

As mentioned earlier; gene vestigiality. existinction; life on a climatic knife-edge would have to be part of the intelligent design too.

We have to assume that the "intelligent" designer has reasoned this plan out; like a watchmaker plans his clock mechanisms......

Nature is like a blind watchmaker. See here:-

"The Blind Watchmaker Ananology"

In his choice of the title for this book, Dawkins refers to the watchmaker analogy made famous by William Paley in his book Natural Theology. Paley, arguing more than fifty years before Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species, held that the complexity of living organisms was evidence of the existence of a divine creator by drawing a parallel with the way in which the existence of a watch compels belief in an intelligent watchmaker. Dawkins, in contrasting the differences between human design and its potential for planning with the workings of natural selection, therefore dubbed evolutionary processes as analogous to a blind watchmaker.

I fully reccommend watching his program on Horizon:

Dear Regenstorm,

Your topic title made me laugh so I thought i'd read your OP. And then I read this:

Originally posted by Regenstorm
the ignorant atheist cattle that dominates this completely ........ up society on every level

That single statement made me realise that you probably have no real idea what being an atheist means. Quickly followed by your bolded:

Atheism is a "all Clear"-Sign for taking no responsibility for "your" actions. It's a free ticket for egoism, narcissism, cheating, lying, violence, vulgarity and indecent behavior. Because according to atheists there is no life after death, it's just this one time that you are here. So "you" want to have as much fun as possible regardless of the consequences for the rest of the world/people.

Excuse me? Did you just state that not believing in God, and not following a "Religion" means an individual takes no responsability for their actions? I think you did.

At this stage, I didn't even bother to read the responses but just wanted to volcalise something for you, narrow minded and uneducated individual that you are. Christianity and Catholism are prime examples of people performing acts of hatred, murder and taking ZERO responsability for these actions on their own shoulders claiming these same said acts were "Because GoD wills it".

Are you truly this delluded or did you just feel like waking up and opening a can of worms on ATS with your purile and baseless comments?

Get a grip on reality. TPTB do not promote atheism and even if they did, atheism is enlightened free thought, it has nothing to do with belief in morality or values. You've lost it completely.

T

reply to post by torqpoc


You didn't understand the message!

BTW, Those that kill(ed) in the name of (their) God and abused in his/her/its name are hypocrites.