Why Atheism is being promoted by TPTB

reply to post by imawlinn


You are making a logical fallacy mate.
Name one religion that dictates that murder is ok!
Just one.....

That is right there is none, ergo; if it is the fault of the religion, you need to find within the religion that states that you are allowed to commit murder.
And the funny thing is that most religions agree on the; "thou shalt not kill", part.

Does this mean that no religious people kill?
Sure it doesn't, you cannot however blame the religion for the actions of some of its followers.

You are making the same fallacy that some tries to make with Atheist tyrannical regimes.
Atheism does not state anywhere that it is ok to murder someone.

reply to post by NuroSlam


I am talking about an afterlife consequence, and you knew that.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
This is why there is a war in the Muslim countries because they are anti-materialistic and won't cave into the consumer environment so that the evil people make money.

sir, come over to turkey and experience materialism islam style. oh and don't forget about the saudi oil sheiks either heheh

reply to post by jamsession


Turkey is a secularized government.
Secularization

You are spot on about the Saudi's though, they are more than materialistic.

op doesn't know what he's talking about obviously. that's religion "you can be a d1ck and follow these specific beliefs and believe in god and you're in heaven". Whereas most atheists just try to make the best of life. Bigot.

reply to post by lastbleedingvictim


And your statement is not bigoted?

It is important that an atheist supplements his "lack of belief" with a moral code imnsho!

reply to post by jamsession


They are not true muslims if they value money more than spirituality. Islam preaches against materialism. That is why the sheiks are corrupt

Originally posted by Schrödinger
Funny how the atheists are all; HEY THATS NOT WHAT ATHEISM IS ABOUT WE ARE DESCENT HUMAN BEINGS. And then continue in the same sentence, to bash and attack the OP....

Saying the OP is wrong - - is bashing? Uh huh.

Atheist - - none belief in a deity. That is it - - that is all it means - - nothing more.

Every and ALL groups are made up of individuals. Some good - some funny - some intelligent - some bad - some . . . . well - - you get the idea.

Atheists are NOT a Group Think. Or a Group anything - for that matter. They have had to organize for political reasons to keep God out of government - - we are a secular government.

BUT - - -Christians are an organized group. Christians organize as a group to promote belief and control society.

(I use Christian because I was brought up Christian - - so I speak what I know. Other organized religions are also a group think - - but I don't know them)

Originally posted by Schrödinger
reply to post by jamsession

 

Turkey is a secularized government.
Secularization

You are spot on about the Saudi's though, they are more than materialistic.

i live in turkey i'm hollering right from the middle of the party. turkey's no longer secularized, tptb's working hard on destroying secularism in tr through jdp, ruling party as they had engineered over the years, they all act hand in hand with fethullah gulen, the muslim scholar and the leader of the sect as the followers of said nursi, and he is hosted by the tptb in pennsylvania. the jdp are serving their third term right now they scored a nifty 50% in the elections in june and are going to pass a new constitution and secularism will most probably no longer have a place in there. the plan is to turn turkey into a moderate islamic state as graham fuller the former chief of the cia's middle east dept. suggested as a buffer for iran and radical islam in the region and they're about to succeed. tptb never wanted ataturk's state to govern since that state was based on national sovereignity. well, turkey's politics over the past 80-90 years was a mess anyway, too many stuff to discuss, perhaps in another thread.

Originally posted by jamsession

Originally posted by Regenstorm

Because "The Powers That Be" want this western society aka you (assuming most members are from these regions) to be more rotten than rotten

so you practically think that all atheists are rotten and and those with faith are cleansheet eh? that is really overgeneralizing. you're offending atheists just because they're atheists and none of their qualities as a human but their atheism plays any role in your judgment. sir, this no good.

Those are your words. It's not what I'm saying. Religion is also infected by TPTB and abused by the leadership of a religion. It's very easy if you're in charge, you could let the cattle do what you want in the name of God"

reply to post by MasterGemini


Yes it is people killing people, but on behalf of religious beliefs. How many people were burned at the stake for witchcraft, killed in gas chambers for being jewish, beheaded for not believing in god, killed by muslim extremest car bombs, etc. Etc. Etc. All fall under deaths caused by religion. The list goes on and on and on. I'm done arguing with you as I can see you are pretty stuck in your views as am I. Good day sir. I SAID GOOD DAY!

Religion is also infected by TPTB and abused by the leadership of a religion. It's very easy if you're in charge, you could let the cattle do what you want in the name of God"

any religion infectable and open to manipulation by any third party is hardly miraculous, rendering the religion in question vulnerable. such religion is not the correct one to guide mankind imo. why are the powers that be unable to spoil and manipulate buddhists and tibetans, etc.? they simply can't as those are religions of pure wisdom, not open to manipulations in any form. ever heard any buddhists killing for faith? no. christians did in the form of inquisitors, crusaders and muslims did as jihadists, mullahs, taliban, etc..

Originally posted by Schrödinger
Name one religion that dictates that murder is ok!
Just one.....

on unbelievers is the curse of allah. ~ sura 2:161

slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - sura 2:191

Atheism (may or may not be) promoted by TPTB...however there are a lot of people from every religion, race, creed, that are independent thinkers...and are not swayed away from their individual beliefs.

Originally posted by caladonea
Atheism (may or may not be) promoted by TPTB...however there are a lot of people from every religion, race, creed, that are independent thinkers...and are not swayed away from their individual beliefs.

True.

The only difference is "organized" group sharing a belief.

reply to post by Schrödinger


Nowhere did I state that any religion accepts, encourages, promotes or says in anyway that its ok to kill. I was trying to make a point about the number of senseless deaths, the wars waged, etc. So would you consider a death cAused by muslim car bomb a death caused by religion? I do.

reply to post by Regenstorm


TPTB don't want atheism, they want a separation of Church and State. You are deluded.. If they would be preaching a god, then they'd probably impose one that you don't agree with, so it's a lot better for you, and especially for them, to have a godless State.

Originally posted by imawlinn
reply to post by Schrödinger

 

Nowhere did I state that any religion accepts, encourages, promotes or says in anyway that its ok to kill. I was trying to make a point about the number of senseless deaths, the wars waged, etc. So would you consider a death cAused by muslim car bomb a death caused by religion? I do.

All wars are political. Purpose - - to gain some kind of power.

Everything else is an excuse - including religion.

However - - when you have a religious government - - it gives the appearance of being religious based. It isn't. Not really.

reply to post by jamsession


I respect that you live in the country, but as long as there have been no official statement, no editing of what your country is based on, I have to assume that it is still a secularized country !

More Atheism is promoted/caused by the people in organized churches/religions then the TPTB hands down.

I am a Christian Deist and i well know how church people/groups/leaderships react to people of other religious groups. A number of times i have heard the stories about church people after i have told someone i was a Christian Deist start stories i was a Satanist, Atheist, Or a member of a cult. ECT

As a christian deist i don't need/want/or like anyone that gives me a hard time or continually spreads false information about my religion or beliefs.

And i should be able to tell the church proselytiser that i am not interested without backlash or them trying to tell me what i should believe.
I have even had church people tell me that i was not fallowing the preachings of Christian Deism when they knew nothing about the beliefs of Christian Deism.

And don't quote your bible passages as gospel if they are not even in my bible.(Jefferson bible.) They are not gospel to me.