There are Two Gods

Originally posted by Frater210
reply to post by OptimusSubprime

 

Does this "evil impostor God" have a name? I don't remember hearing about him in church

Yeah, it's Yaldabaoth...

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 6-7-2011 by Frater210 because: Ia!

The unveiling of this can be found on this OFF TOPIC thread: abovetopsecret.com..., for those who seek full understanding of this.

Peace be with you!!!

Originally posted by Tib50
reply to post by LightAssassin

 

It seems to me that you are a luciferian, if I am not mistaken, because you speak only of "Light" and "Creation", blame all evil on humans, and ignore the idea of Lucifer/Satan as the instigator of evil in humans. Also, your name "LightAssassin" seems luciferian to me. Is that correct?

I dont know why I initially called myself this, because upon reflection it seemed to imply something somewhat evil. Then I discovered Lucifer/Satan refers to himself as the The Prince Of Light. Then it made complete sense.

I do not state that Satan does not exist at all, he opens the door....it is our choice to walk through it.

Originally posted by AllIsOne
reply to post by Tib50

 

I agree with you on the double-nature of the Christian bible. When I studied Buddhism I came across the term "teaching by expedient means". Sometimes the teacher cannot reveal all his knowledge at once, for the masses are not ready for it. The first historical Buddha taught for 40 years that women were not equal to men only to later reverse his teachings. He was obviously morally wrong, but historically correct ... The concept of equality of the sexes was so foreign at the time, that the Buddha would have lost all of his credibility at the very begining of his long journey. Therefore he needed to pace himself and introduce the more advanced concepts towards the end of his lifetime.

Try to read the bible in that context, and some things will make more sense. We desperately need an update to our current version of the bible ...

No, what we need is to just accept what has, what is, and what will be. We need to be accountable and responsible for the actions we take as humans. No-one else.

We need to respect the planet that provides the air we breath and the water we drink and the food we eat....I can give you a wonderful example. Sabbath Day. This is a most ridiculous concept and I know Jesus does not approve of it. Why? Does the Honey Bee know it is Sabbath Day, and refuse to collect pollen? Does the Mother Bird know it's Sabbath Day and refuse to go hunting for food for her children? Does the Beaver stop building his dam because it is Sabbath Day? NO, The world continues to turn, the sun continues to rise and set, and man is meant to partake in his existence on that day too.

Everyone is looking for a God, and a concept, that is seperate from ourselves, a duality, when the answer is within us, a oneness. American Indians were probably the closest race to understanding this concept.

reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot

And there lies the crux of my argument: An admitted atheist has taken it upon himself to correct my "doctrinal errors" concerning a God he doesn't believe in. Submitting oneself to religious indoctrination or ecclesiastical enightenment at the hands of an atheist would be somewhat like going down to the local mission boarding house to get investment/financial advice from one of the residents.

A somewhat curious statement that. You do not have to be a believer to study the doctrine. And if you study the doctrine then you should be able to correct errors, believer or not.

Your statement precludes say for example a Christian from studying any other religions and from teaching same say in a college, since teaching could be considered to be indoctrination or offering ecclesiastical enlightenment.

Are you saying that a non Christian cannot teach about the doctrine of Christianity?

reply to post by Tib50


The names you search for are yahweh and lucifer. Yahweh created Lucifer with all power and free hand and lucifer ruled heaven and earth. At his rebellion to recognize Yahweh as creator and supreme diety, lucifer was kicked out of the spiritual realm Yahweh makes home. Lucifer DOES rule earth still, but on a certain leash that he HOPES he can change by turning yahweh's greatest creation, man, against Yahweh and rule the physical earth. THATS why Yahweh came in the physical form to die as a flesh and blood man so that we may be unburdened by faith (just belief).
Simple, all you learned men should know this.

Originally posted by burningbelief
THATS why Yahweh came in the physical form to die as a flesh and blood man so that we may be unburdened by faith (just belief).
Simple, all you learned men should know this.

Hah, and that makes sense to you?

reply to post by burningbelief

THATS why Yahweh came in the physical form to die as a flesh and blood man so that we may be unburdened by faith (just belief).
Simple, all you learned men should know this.

No, and no, and no.
Yahweh did not become Jesus.
We are not "unburdened" from the requirement to produce good fruit.
No I don't "know" that because it can not be proven from the Bible.

Originally posted by LightAssassin

Originally posted by Tib50
reply to post by LightAssassin

 

It seems to me that you are a luciferian, if I am not mistaken, because you speak only of "Light" and "Creation", blame all evil on humans, and ignore the idea of Lucifer/Satan as the instigator of evil in humans. Also, your name "LightAssassin" seems luciferian to me. Is that correct?

I dont know why I initially called myself this, because upon reflection it seemed to imply something somewhat evil. Then I discovered Lucifer/Satan refers to himself as the The Prince Of Light. Then it made complete sense.

I do not state that Satan does not exist at all, he opens the door....it is our choice to walk through it.

edit on 6-7-2011 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)

Just for the record. It's next to impossible, that satan and Lucifer are the same individual (at least according to bible texts).

reply to post by burningbelief


You wrote:

["Yahweh created Lucifer with all power and free hand and lucifer ruled heaven and earth. At his rebellion to recognize Yahweh as creator and supreme diety, lucifer was kicked out of the spiritual realm Yahweh makes home."]

According to the propaganda manifest YOUR side rely on.

Quote: ["Lucifer DOES rule earth still, but on a certain leash that he HOPES he can change by turning yahweh's greatest creation, man, against Yahweh and rule the physical earth."]

The winner writes history. But apparantly it hasn't been going so well for the Jahveh faction lately, so we are already beginning to see a new history written.

Quote: ["THATS why Yahweh came in the physical form to die as a flesh and blood man so that we may be unburdened by faith (just belief)."]

Being part of a self-justifying mythology, it doesn't inspire even trust.

Quote: [" Simple, all you learned men should know this."]

I can assure you, that most of the 'learned men' know this (not least because it's being send out with a high volume constantly). But knowing this postulate doesn't imply, that it is true.

Originally posted by bogomil

Originally posted by LightAssassin

Originally posted by Tib50
reply to post by LightAssassin

 

It seems to me that you are a luciferian, if I am not mistaken, because you speak only of "Light" and "Creation", blame all evil on humans, and ignore the idea of Lucifer/Satan as the instigator of evil in humans. Also, your name "LightAssassin" seems luciferian to me. Is that correct?

I dont know why I initially called myself this, because upon reflection it seemed to imply something somewhat evil. Then I discovered Lucifer/Satan refers to himself as the The Prince Of Light. Then it made complete sense.

I do not state that Satan does not exist at all, he opens the door....it is our choice to walk through it.

edit on 6-7-2011 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)

Just for the record. It's next to impossible, that satan and Lucifer are the same individual (at least according to bible texts).

Sorry, then the individual I am referring to is Satan.

Why does everyone think that the other god is evil, just because of something you hear in a very biased community? Tbh, im still a mere 14 years old, and ive lived with a demon my whole life almost. Ive been outcasted in the name of the "kind, holy, joyous" god, when i mean very well, and the demon (though no christian will accept the chance to hear the voice of truth), is very protective of me. No it isnt an angel, as i hear the demonic language and see chaotic and black magic symbols when i close my eyes (even before id ever heard of them or knew they existed). Still, it protects me. Its the only thing ive had through my life to rely on, the only thing that has never turned on me. This being said, demons arent necessarily evil, but they are quite savage creatures (a common misconception). And on the topic of the god himself, that you call the god of chaos and destruction, was only created in that image by the "holy" church. in the days of old, long before the rise of christianity, satan was known as the god of light, truth, wisdom, and power by knowledge. Eventually, christianity rose as a shroud of the truth. Through my life, ive had the curse of seeing the harsh reality of this world, and my vision clear. I wish i could go back to the days i still knew innocence, and i would do anything for that chance. It is that which i give the "holy" god credit for. He has successfully made this world happily oblivious, and for that, i thank him. And as a side-note, i only turned my back on christianity about a year ago upon looking back to see that the neither your bastard god, nor his damned son were ever there for me a single time i needed them. And, so to all christians, i say one thing:

F*ck you

reply to post by brendenbaine
The ones that I could actually see most of the forms of, were very savage looking.
Two competing gods can always blame the other for things about the world that their potential followers would complain about.
I don't know if I had conversed with you earlier but I had with someone with a similar story to yours. I don't know what Christians turned their back on you but it was not me. If I had been aware of your situation I would have tried to be of some assistance to you.

reply to post by brendenbaine

Still, it protects me. Its the only thing ive had through my life to rely on, the only thing that has never turned on me.

Such things are hard to figure out. I have heard stories in church such as a man gets falsely accused and ends up in prison and much later, when some of his fellow inmates turned to Christ, one would say, "You know, there were times when we felt like jumping you but were afraid because of that dude who was with you." and the man would answer, "What dude?"
Things like that happen and I know because it happened to me and one reason I am alive today, where these people who eventually were to be assigned the job of murdering me, had been simultaneously given visions of the ones who always stood beside me.

reply to post by bogomil


ok.....sorry I spoke that way. Being a basic bible reader....guess I see things that ain't there. Hmmmm?...let me get the NEW version instead of the King James...maybe it reads diffferent.
Then again....thats what ATS is for...right?....discussion and searching out truths. WELL....maybe I am wrong there too.

reply to post by brendenbaine

And, so to all christians, i say one thing:

F*ck you

Perhaps not a wise approach; you hate ALL Christians? This cannot be fair. Besides, there are many Christians who doubt their faith; or are disgusted by the history of their specific schism (The Roman Catholic church is one example)

What is your belief in regards to a deity? (If you don't mind me asking, of course) Do you subscribe to any religion?

What made you doubt, or turn your back on Christianity? What denomination of Christianity did you follow, or practice?

I have always believed the 2 Gods thing.

There's just too many contradictions between old and new testaments.

reply to post by ExistentialNightmare

"Impostor" in what way? Where did you learn this?

I think I explained that in my original post.

Jesus (of the New Testament) fully condones Mosaic law, and the prophecies posed in the Old Testament.

Matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

Jesus fully approved of the law of the Old Testament.

No, not according to the very first canon of the Bible, compiled by Marcion of Sinope, who used only Luke and some of the Pauline Epistles. He believed that the Old and New Testament represented two different gods, and that Jesus Christ came to tell us about the Real One, Our Heavenly Father.

Originally posted by DARKCYDE_CROWLEY
I have always believed the 2 Gods thing.

There's just too many contradictions between old and new testaments.

Exactly so, and those contradictions are the reason so many Christians have left the faith, in my view.

reply to post by Tib50


Jesus supports the law and prophets of the Old Testament.

Originally posted by brendenbaine
I only turned my back on christianity about a year ago upon looking back to see that the neither your bastard god, nor his damned son were ever there for me a single time i needed them.

This comment is very interesting, because I was just listening to an interview with an ex-satanist-turned-preacher on another ATS thread, which I can't find now. He said young people with difficult lives are often attracted to satanism because it offers them "powers" to help them achieve whatever they want, or get revenge on anyone they want, just by learning how to summon demons and command them, rather like the "genie in the bottle". Remember how the evil Voldemort in Harry Potter actually turned to evil for the same reason: because he was bullied and miserable as a child, so he sought revenge in this way.

The ex-satanist also said that satan and demons do not reside "below" us, but in a kind of layer ABOVE us, trying to block us off from Our Heavenly Father and the angels in the highest levels, and that if our prayers to God are not strong enough or sincere enough or unselfish enough, the demons easily intercept them and bounce them back to Earth, so they never reach God at all. It's as if satan has spread a net above us to intercept our prayers and trap our souls, and the demons are whacking back prayers like tennis balls! So it could be that this young person's prayers never reached God.

Another point is from another good ATS thread, called "The Problem of Evil: Why do bad returns come to good people?":

"Because the minions of the Evil One specifically TARGET good people, whose brightly shining souls, and especially the pure souls of little children, radiate so much positive energy that they will yield a huge "Negative Energy Harvest" if they can be turned toward evil, tormented and abused, disillusioned and heartbroken.

The appalling thing is that the Good, Compassionate Heavenly Father gets all the blame for the bad things done by the Evil One, lucifer, satan, whatever you want to call him, and his minions, demons and human puppets. The Evil One hides behind all bad things."