There are Two Gods

Originally posted by Warpthal
reply to post by Tib50

 

There is one God. God is neither good nor bad, it is both. It has no human traits. It always imposes equilibrium even when we can't distinguish it ourselves, there always is equilibrium.

It sounds like some kind of machine. Is that "deism", I wonder?

If you have two eyes, you see duality everywhere. If you see with a single field of vision, then not.
The human has both two eyes and a single field of vision. Is this duality, unity, both, or neither?

Originally posted by TwoLineMan
If you have two eyes, you see duality everywhere. If you see with a single field of vision, then not.
The human has both two eyes and a single field of vision. Is this duality, unity, both, or neither?

edit on 8-7-2011 by TwoLineMan because: (no reason given)

I don't see what that's got to do with the price of eggs.

reply to post by Tib50

I'm no expert, but the few things I've read concerning Melchizedek make me think there is something very strange about him, and none of the many explanations seem very satisfactory to me. A mystery.

Years ago, I calculated the ages and generations from Shem, eldest son to eldest son, to Abraham. According to the record, Shem was still alive when Abraham would have been going off from Ur. The way I think of it is that if he had been there before all the people came up after the flood, they would not remember a time where he was not around. The people before the flood lived to be a lot older than the people born later.

Originally posted by Tib50

Originally posted by Warpthal
reply to post by Tib50

 

There is one God. God is neither good nor bad, it is both. It has no human traits. It always imposes equilibrium even when we can't distinguish it ourselves, there always is equilibrium.

It sounds like some kind of machine. Is that "deism", I wonder?

Haha thats pretty interesting... Im a deist myself, and its rare to hear much about it from those that dont follow it. But, from what he described, it is deism in every way.

reply to post by wearewatchingyouman


Could it be that if we didn't Know about good and evil we would be living in heaven as the other creatures of this planet do.

The Serpent Hmmm
What crawls on it's belly eats dust and lives in the earth. (and without it fertile land would become desert)

I suppose there's no DRAMA in a worm so It can't be that.

I used to be a christian but I opened my eyes and didn't like what i saw. (I've already be judged on here so no need to do it again) May you all find peace in your torment. ("Thats from me not a god".)

reply to post by dontlaughthink
Mexicans call a fly, a bird.
Most likely, the ancient Hebrew did not make a distinction between a snake and a worm.
The word in the actual text is a description of a sound, like if someone asked me what an "s" is.
I would say, it is a letter and it has a sound like, "Shh" and it is curved into a couple semicircles and looks like a snake.

reply to post by dontlaughthink


I'm not a Christian... Just a seeker of truth...I like to try to make sense out of things that don't make sense... I personally enjoy the torment... what if what I'm thinking about makes me laugh?

Originally posted by wearewatchingyouman
reply to post by Tib50

 

an interesting thing about the punishment of the serpent has jumped out at me lately..

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.

This to me implies that prior to this the serpent didn't crawl on it's belly... i.e it flew or walked... which to me sounds like a dragon... which leads me to think about the dragon in Revelation..

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

so obviously the punishment didn't last all the days of his life... as he certainly isn't crawling on his belly and eating dust in revelation...

Well done for thinking of that! A dragon certainly seems to fit the descriptions better than a serpent. I wonder if JMDewey might help us out here, since he seems to have studied precise translations of Biblical words. In case he doesn't see this reply, I'll ask him in another comment.

Your ideas also make me think of that Ouroboros creature, always referred to as "a serpent eating its own tail", but in some very old depictions, it is not that at all. It is depicted as TWO lizards biting each other's tails, and one lizard has small wings on its back and a royal CROWN on its head! Since some species of modern lizards actually do bite each other's tails in captivity, the most ancient version of the Ouroboros seems the most genuine.

Also, dragons have always been held in high regard in China, where they are depicted as happy, friendly bringers of good luck. Here's a little Chinese poem type of description I found:

" I am an unquenchable fire,
the centre of all energy,
the stout, heroic heart.

I am truth and light,
I hold power and glory in my sway.

My presence disperses dark clouds.
I have been chosen to tame the Fates.

I am the Dragon."

reply to post by wearewatchingyouman


Another thing I wanted to ask everyone was "What exactly is the Tree of Life?", but perhaps I should make a new thread for that.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by dontlaughthink

 

Mexicans call a fly, a bird.
Most likely, the ancient Hebrew did not make a distinction between a snake and a worm.
The word in the actual text is a description of a sound, like if someone asked me what an "s" is.
I would say, it is a letter and it has a sound like, "Shh" and it is curved into a couple semicircles and looks like a snake

It's wonderful that you have actually looked at the Hebrew text! Is there any possibility that those semicircles you saw might be related to the Ouroboros, the two lizards biting each other's tails, mentioned in the reply to Wearewatchingyouman?

reply to post by Tib50

Is there any possibility that those semicircles you saw might be related to the Ouroboros, the two lizards biting each other's tails. . .

I superimposed the two things for comparison. The letter Samekh in Hebrew, and the oroboros.
I was making an analogy where I was saying how I would describe an S in our script common today but that same thing would apply when describing the Hebrew letter for S.
What I was getting at is the word translated as Serpent, in Genesis, is a word describing the sound which would be normally represented by this letter.

reply to post by Tib50


There are way more than just two, friend. There are 18 in the Bible alone, and literally thousands of Gods in history. Just two? Read much?

reply to post by autowrench


He's implying that the יהוה‎ of the old Testament is a different God than the ΘΕΟΣ of the new Testament...

reply to post by wearewatchingyouman


Jesus fully approves of the prophets and law of the old testament:-

5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

It's the same God; and many assert that the New was written to fulfil the Old.

Originally posted by ExistentialNightmare
reply to post by wearewatchingyouman

 

Jesus fully approves of the prophets and law of the old testament:-

It's the same God; and many assert that the New was written to fulfil the Old.

No, for the third time, not according to the VERY FIRST CANON OF THE BIBLE, written by MARCION OF SINOPE. Two Testaments, Two gods, or rather the Real Joyful God of the New Testament and the rampaging violent demi-god of the Old. The Church were so alarmed by Marcion's simple conclusions that they rushed to produce canons of their own, and to insert links between Old and New Testaments that corrupted the original teachings of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, to allow the Impostor Demi-God to continue to impersonate the Real God.

Please take time to read the Marcionite Bible, and his "Antithesis".

reply to post by jmdewey60


Very interesting. Have you seen this picture of the Ouroboros as TWO LIZARDS biting each other's tails, with one lizard having small wings and a royal crown on its head?

www.spectralcreations.com...

Looking more closely at the picture, it seems they are not even lizards, but more like lizards with bird beaks, like griffins or turuls, perhaps. What do you think? I don't know how to import the picture, so I hope you can go to that link.

Originally posted by mantarey
reply to post by Tib50

 

Ok, so which God is the right God, and what church it the right church to pay omage to the right God? Hmmm... Pretty confused on this one. Seeing especially that the new Testament God was the favored God during the Crusades, the Inquisition, and let's get modern, the Child raping that has gone on in churches, the cadillac, mercedes driving ministers that take your money while the poor of the church starve? Let's face it, George Carlin, may he rest and laugh in peace, states what is a religous war, a fight over whose imaginary friend is stronger.

Your statement about the New Testament God associated with the Crusades, Inquisition and child raping is patently false--- typical atheists, so bold to attack Christianity with these kind of stock phrases that are used for every Christian posting, but cowering in a corner when it comes to attacking Satanic Islam.

Islam was entirely responsible for the Crusades, because the Muslims denied access to Jerusalem to all non-Muslims, as they will again if they ever get the chance, despite the fact that they already had their own holy city of Mecca. Being a mishmash of bits copied from other religions, the Pagan Moon God Death Cult always tries to grab other places, like Jerusalem and planting a mosque on the 9/11 site. The "atheism" being promoted by ATS and The Powers That Be is nothing more than the Unholy Muslim/Marxist/Satanic Alliance, specifically targetting Judaism and Christianity. What is it about Christianity that so upsets "atheists", and drives them into a frenzy, I wonder?

If there were no core of truth to Christianity, why would these so-called "atheists" expend so much energy attacking it, while NEVER ATTACKING THE EVILS OF ISLAM? It seems very cowardly to me.

The tree of life... now that is an interesting question...

Are you familiar with Kabbalah, Abramelin, Enochian and Solemonic Magick?

reply to post by wearewatchingyouman


Well, I've just posted a new thread called The Tree of Life and Predictive Programming in Movies, so I hope you will have a look at that and comment on some of those possibilities, because I'd like to hear your views.