French ban on Islamic face veil comes into force

Originally posted by Tiste

I guess ignorance is bliss for some...this coming from a resident of the most violent country in the world, highest per capita illegal drug use, highest per capita violent & sexual crime not too mention the highest per capita incarceration and people with criminal records in the world.

It must be easy for you to look at something you aren't familiar with or don't understand and assume they are the problem.

It's the price we pay for "multiculturalism"

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by AngryOne

 

And what happens when they are outlawed? Then we move on to the "pagan faiths." Then we find other things we hate and ban those too. That is the point I was making in my previous post. Once we set the ban ball rolling, where does it stop?

I really don't know, but I'll openly admit that I am not such a big fan of tolerance.
And I wasn't so much directly DEMANDING a ban. On anything. It was more of a subtle suggestion.
Now as for my underlying point, I just ask that you do your research. This planet would be much better off if Christianity, Judaism and Islam never existed.
I mean, why tolerate a sick, hypocritical, oppressive, demented cult?

Originally posted by Maymunah

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
There are many cultural observances which are unacceptable in the West, forced marriage, polygamy, female genital mutilation etc. Why should the Burqua be tolerated?

As a female I cannot and do not accept that a woman should have to hide her feminity due to male insecurity and dominance.

I've been reading the entire thread up to your post and wanted to write some other perspectives and found your post a good place to start.

First of all, wearing the face veil is usually a choice and you will be surprised to know that the majority of women who cover their faces made that decision themselves. Other than Saudi Arabia ( I believe the only country to enforce the veil) most Muslim women are not forced to wear it. I wear the veil and had wanted to since I came to Islam but when I first became married, my husband preferred I did not wear it, over the months I finally talked him into letting me try it, since then I've been wearing for over a year and I love it even though at times it annoys me

I think a better law is the one in Russia, I believe? Where women are not permitted to basically dress over revealing...I mean if a nation is going to start making the choice for how we dress, then make it in the proper way. Is it, or can it be a danger? Sure a man can dress in full Islamic clothing, with face cover and enter a womans bathroom for example, but there is also a danger in a nation implementing dress codes, a danger for the people, think about what comes next? Slowly, like the frogs in boiling water, people are losing their freedom and rights.

You have clearly never been to Russia. It is VERY normal, in Moscow at least where I was and according to mates all over the country, for women to dress in a VERY sexy way.
Research first and the law refers to niqab and burka, as an islamic woman I would assume to you know them.
I think, simply, make the blokes wear it for a month and see how long they support it.

Originally posted by TattooedWarrior
There is an old saying - 'When in Rome do as the Romans do' - France is not a Muslim country living under Sharia law so I can see why a law like this has been passed. Let me give you an example - in London 6 months ago a 6 month old baby was killed by a Muslim woman who was driving whilst wearing a Bhurka. She didn't stop but someone took her license plate number and the police went to her home to arrest her. Unfortunately there were 5 women wearing Bhurkas living at the address and none of them admitted to driving the car at the time and because the eye-witnesses could'nt identify the driver properly because her face was covered the case fell apart and nobody was charged so the parents still have no justice.Within 5 miles of my house are 17 Mosques, 6 churches, 1 Jewish temple and 1 Buddhist temple. In my country - England - the governments pander to nearly every whim of the Muslims but NOT to Christians,Buddists,Shieks or any other religion. Why??

Perfect example. Ban that niqab, ban that burka, ban the face veil. Allow the headscarf. That is the ONLY thing stated in the Hadeeth. It isnt in the quran at all and the hadeeth is just some book written by some bloke...... One could suggest, just like the quran

Yeah to France for getting it right... I wish U.S. would do the same thing!

Originally posted by tamaransd

Yeah to France for getting it right... I wish U.S. would do the same thing!

edit on 12-4-2011 by tamaransd because: sent to wrong reply

I wish the US would do a lot of things...banning a religous requirement for a very small religous group which does not affect anyone physically or emotionally should be about 3,675,832 down on the list.

Its apparent from some of the comments that the 600 or 700 Burqa wearing women in the US have had profound effects on many of your daily lives...maybe we can start blaming them for the economy as well.

Originally posted by P3ACE0WAR

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by P3ACE0WAR

 

Your telling me they enjoy wearing those black things in 30c heat? Yeh right sure.

Like I said, assumptions are easy to make, let's continue this game:

"You're telling me they enjoy wearing those miniskirts in -10c snowy weather? Yeah, right, sure.

Tool, I currently reside in Kazakhstan. Minus was the norm in Jan and Feb. NOBODY wore a mini skirt unless they were in a club at night.
By the way, KZ is about 50% muslim, they don't cover up faces, love to flash legs in the summer time, drink like fish yet, amazingly, they are not getting raped left right and centre like these extreme bastards like to state is the reason for covering. Maybe in Medina 1400 years ago men were such animals they did and therefore it was required. But in Pairs??????????????????????? Come on. I recall reading a spate of rapes which happened in Sweden recently, justification was they were asking for it bu wearing revealing clothes, perpetrators...... ALL MUSLIM.
This sick ideology needs wiping out! Destroying Nazism freed Germans, destroying Islamic extemeism will free Muslims.

Viva Kazakhstan and most importantly, viva France

reply to post by Dhimmie


There are 232 Burqa wearing women in France...you make it sound like it was some kind of revolution. It was simple political posturing by Sarkozy who is trying to show he is for womens rights...well, we all know what his womens rights track record is like. LOL.

I hope they ban the burka in the UK, how would you like it if you knocked on my door and i answered throught the letterbox.

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I hope they ban intolerance...there would be less crime and dysfunction in society.

Originally posted by Tiste
reply to post by Itop1

 

I hope they ban intolerance...there would be less crime and dysfunction in society.

edit on 12-4-2011 by Tiste because: (no reason given)

Your from canda, how the hell do you know what its like in the UK?? We have whole towns which are basically a no go area for english people now because they are full of muslims that hate the english, and this is in our own country, its about time countries put their foot down and said

"This is *country* and if you want to live here, you will abide by OUR laws, and you will learn about OUR culture"

If you dont agree with these laws of the country then please stay in your own country where your culture and laws are widely accepted.

They wouldn`t dare try that # here in the uk.

French muslims and human rights groups should haul sarkozy `s ass into court.

The only way to confront fascist scum is going toe to toe, like we did at cable street in the 1930s..

reply to post by Itop1


My brother just moved back, he was attending law at Cambridge. Yes, there are major social and immigration issues in the UK at the moment...wearing Burqas' ain't one of them.

Originally posted by Tiste
reply to post by Itop1

 

My brother just moved back, he was attending law at Cambridge. Yes, there are major social and immigration issues in the UK at the moment...wearing Burqas' ain't one of them.

When i talk to somebody, serve somebody, interact with somebody, open the door to somebody, i like to see their face, and its not their religion to ware these clothes anyway so they have no excuse, if they want to wear this then they should live in their native country.

reply to post by Dhimmie


The only reason why so many Kazak people behave like Russians, is because they were conquered and subjugated for centuries. Islam was outlawed and forced conversions and Russofication took place.

However the good news is that since independence, there has been an Islamic awakening. Kazaks are throwing off their Russian names for muslim ones. Mosques and religious seminaries are springing up everywhere.

There is a large minority russian population, whose birth rate is negative, while Kazaks have large families.
The future of Islam and Islamic peoples everywhere is bright.

I would rather die than live in a world of islamic fanatics, which seems to be growing in the UK, i have many turkish friends and they are good friends, but in UK we have a serious problem and a lot of arm chair experts are defending them, and they dont have a #ing clue whats really happening, they are just as bad as the fanatics

Genuine muslims - OK

Fanatical muslims hell bent on causing problems in our country - NOT ok.

Unfortunatly i see more fanatics in the uk than genuinely good muslim people.

Originally posted by Saracen1
reply to post by Dhimmie

 

The only reason why so many Kazak people behave like Russians, is because they were conquered and subjugated for centuries. Islam was outlawed and forced conversions and Russofication took place.

However the good news is that since independence, there has been an Islamic awakening. Kazaks are throwing off their Russian names for muslim ones. Mosques and religious seminaries are springing up everywhere.

There is a large minority russian population, whose birth rate is negative, while Kazaks have large families.
The future of Islam and Islamic peoples everywhere is bright.

[[snip]] It is virtually opposite to what you just said. Muslim names are extremely rare. Russians are still revered as the most superior culture on the planet, Islam was never out lawed and the current government took the decision to make a constitution which forbids religion to have any place in law or ruling. They know what will happen if they become too Islamic. They have it good as an open-mined progressive bunch. The only time a bunch of Islamists tried any of that # they get away with in Europe, the mosque was closed indefinitely and the people mysteriously disappeared.
Kazakh and Kazakhstani women love to look sexy and sleep around because they know they are sex machines and are enjoying a higher level of freedom than ANY of the other CIS countries. I live here, you read wiki sites.

reply to post by Itop1


well you could always move to France, I hear the weather is great this time of year.

reply to post by Dhimmie


What are you talking about? Islam is the official religion, and Russians will be extinct within the next 100 years, and a minority in the next 50 years. Thats in the whole Russian Federation not Kazakstan.

superiority don`t count for much when your gone.......just ask the Romans.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Originally posted by Saracen1
reply to post by Dhimmie

 

What are you talking about? Islam is the official religion, and Russians will be extinct within the next 100 years, and a minority in the next 50 years. Thats in the whole Russian Federation not Kazakstan.

superiority don`t count for much when your gone.......just ask the Romans.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

OK, I'll repeat it for you.
Russia improved Kazakhstan greatly although also the red army did some dodgy things. But here is is seen as a Communist problem, not Russian. Russianization never happened as Communism was promoted. Islam was never made illegal, the joining was voluntary, Kazakhs speak highly of Russian cultural improvements. Islamic names are very very rare. Most don't go to the Mosque. They love to party. They love sex, they love to drink, they love western things, they love Kazakh tradition. Any Islamic uprising are squashed quickly. Kazakhs are tribal, goes way back to a time before Mohammed was even a rape glint in his father's eye. They laugh at extremists and I wake up with a new super hot one 2 or 3 times a week.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.