ELEnin Comet Is A NASA Psyop Cover For Incoming Dwarf Star

i'm trying to get leonid elenin to chime in on the 2 suns debate and check out a video recently from south pole telescope of object behind sun

it is my understanding if the object happened to be approaching to south pole, you'd only see it in australia, south america, central america (leonid said this) but wouldn't it matter what itme of day you were looking and where exactly you were at that time ? also wouldn't it typically get buried by the sun ?

if it's approach to sun was farther out in orbit, it seems as soon as it did get close, it got close enough to sun to be invisible ?


any legs to this theory? to be fair, this is the planet x theory i've always heard about - that we won't be able tos ee the clear second sun till august

Here, I have linked another article, this time from the WISE website, about Brown Dwarfs.

WISE Science, Brown Dwarfs.

At the end of the article this quote stands out:

Because brown dwarfs are so common, it is likely that the closest "star" to the Sun is not Proxima Centauri but some hitherto undiscovered brown dwarf that will be imaged successfully for the first time by WISE.

note, that this is just a theory at the moment.

In my own opinion, i believe that something may be headed straight at us and could possibly be behind the sun for MOST of its journey and only be visible at certain moments. Sun is very bright and large and could very well be a blind spot in our rear view mirror. i guess it would determine how far away it is and how fast its moving. i believe US and Russia have been very interested in their scopes in South Pole and have been for quite some time, but as to whether there is something to be found or whether they would ALLOW it to be leaked is beyond me

Just to add to my last post. i read somewhere and i believe someone mentioned earlier on or few days ago about Jupiter and a possible brown dwarf. A brown dwarf is also said to be a failed star that was unable to remain lit.

Well.. if it is in very large orbit there would be thousands of years of cooling down and would have to get very close to the sun to get enough heat to possibly ignite and possibly warm up to emit any heat. I only say that as to something i read a few years ago when i first heard of a possible brown dwarf. as to jupiter is in our solar system and is fairly close to the sun compared to other planets/celestial bodies in space. so its much more noticeable than something that might be 20 times colder

Originally posted by lonelywolff
A brown dwarf is also said to be a failed star that was unable to remain lit.

As described in the article i linked to, your almost right. A brown dwarf forms the same way the sun did, only there isn't enough mass (formation material) to generate the required temperatures to kick start hydrogen fusion in its core. Hence, brown dwarfs are typically 4 times the size of Jupiter, although, their mass can vary.

I suppose, if a brown dwarf was in a elongated binary orbit with our sun, it could go through a periodic warming on approach and cooling as it moved away.

Or, could both the sun and a brown dwarf have formed at the same time? The brown dwarf forming out past the Oort Cloud region with the left over accretion material from the early solar system?

Brown dwarfs can have their own planetary system so its not beyond the realms of possibility that IF we do have a companion star that it would have a few bodies orbiting it. These last two paragraphs are just speculative theories however.

reply to post by truthseekr1111

I quoted the posts that the links i POSTED ANSWERED, ADDRESSED AND DEBUNKED, Mr Magoo LoL

you're not too bright are you...

But of course like so many others ignorant of the facts, your comments are based on a false premise....AND THOSE WHO HATE IT, ARE USUALLY IN DENIAL AND HAVEN'T DONE ANY REAL RESEARCH ON THINGS THEY CRITICIZE... oooops, sorry. my bad ...

Which is the typical claim made by those who:
usually have zero evidence for their arguments,
are obfuscating,
denying,
attack the messenger because they hate the message
use ad homs
are trying to derail threads

you know... basic tactics employed by shills and trolls peddling disinfo

Wow. You just can't make stuff like this up.

Originally posted by ATSecretAgent

Originally posted by lonelywolff
A brown dwarf is also said to be a failed star that was unable to remain lit.

I suppose, if a brown dwarf was in a elongated binary orbit with our sun, it could go through a periodic warming on approach and cooling as it moved away.



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Hmm? just like a comet.

reply to post by WielderOfTheSwordOfTruth

Does anyone know where Elenin is supposed to be right now? Like the coordinates? My neighbor has a pretty sweet telescope, we were looking at Saturn the other night and could see the rings and a few moons, it has tracking and remote control movement so if anyone knows where it is I'd be interested to try and track it down.

You'll find all the information you need here. It is extremely dim and I doubt you will be able to see it, nevertheless, good hunting!

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I would think that if something as big as a brown dwarf was coming through a warm up period it would be MUCH larger than what they are saying the size of elenin is. i also don't believe they are telling us the truth about it's size since something their size i dont see it being seen from the distance they claim. I realize there seems to be a thousand conspiracies surrounding this but i believe the answer is not that complex

Originally posted by thorazineshuffle

Originally posted by ATSecretAgent

Originally posted by lonelywolff
A brown dwarf is also said to be a failed star that was unable to remain lit.

I suppose, if a brown dwarf was in a elongated binary orbit with our sun, it could go through a periodic warming on approach and cooling as it moved away.



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Hmm? just like a comet.

edit on 25-4-2011 by thorazineshuffle because: (no reason given)

Except we are talking about something that is more likely to be at least 4 times the size of Jupiter. [if it exists] hence not a comet.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by WielderOfTheSwordOfTruth

 

Does anyone know where Elenin is supposed to be right now? Like the coordinates? My neighbor has a pretty sweet telescope, we were looking at Saturn the other night and could see the rings and a few moons, it has tracking and remote control movement so if anyone knows where it is I'd be interested to try and track it down.

You'll find all the information you need here. It is extremely dim and I doubt you will be able to see it, nevertheless, good hunting!

So, how exactly did elenin find it with an 8 inch refractor, since it was surely much farther and smaller when he discovered it in November?

Originally posted by thorazineshuffle

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by WielderOfTheSwordOfTruth

 

Does anyone know where Elenin is supposed to be right now? Like the coordinates? My neighbor has a pretty sweet telescope, we were looking at Saturn the other night and could see the rings and a few moons, it has tracking and remote control movement so if anyone knows where it is I'd be interested to try and track it down.

You'll find all the information you need here. It is extremely dim and I doubt you will be able to see it, nevertheless, good hunting!

So, how exactly did elenin find it with an 8 inch refractor, since it was surely much farther and smaller when he discovered it in November?

Um, 18 inch reflector.

A massive mirror, almost.

Specifically, this.

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So, how exactly did elenin find it with an 8 inch refractor, since it was surely much farther and smaller when he discovered it in November?

By stacking several images; this is a technique that allows you to intensify the light collected by superimposing several exposures. He wasn't observing directly with his eye, as I assume Sword will be.

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Time lapse measurements? The entire sky moves in the same direction. It would be easy to spot something moving across your field of view which wasn't there before and due to it's proximity, it will appear to be moving much faster than the surrounding stars do as they traverse the sky over the same time period.

I'm not an expert astronomer but I believe that maybe how he discovered it? Unless i'm completely off the beaten track.

reply to post by lonelywolff


That sounds like Velikovsky. His research has been falsified numerous times over and yet conspiracy theorists still like to quote him.

reply to post by truthseekr1111


Actually a brown dwarf would be very visible if it were where Elenin is currently. A brown dwarf is essentially a more massive version of Jupiter. Their compositions are almost identical and as such a brown dwarf would reflect light the same way Jupiter does. Now, Jupiter is very visible in the night sky, so an object that is closer and larger than Jupiter would be even more visible. You claim that we're not backing up our statements, but where are your sources. All you are doing is insulting other members and acting like your words are the Word of God. Put your money where your mouth is and show us some sources for your claims.

reply to post by ufoinquirer


I've been trying to find 19th century / early 20th century claims of Planet X being a doomsday planet, but am not turning anything up. The earliest similar theory I can come up with is Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision. Although that is a little different. After that there's Sitchin's claims and then Lieder's. I have seen no claims from the likes of Lowell or Le Verrier that claim Planet X is associated with mass extinctions.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


i am sorry to disagree, but it would not reflect the same. for a few reasons

1) it is much colder and is not known to be made of same gas'es

2) it is possibly a brown dwarf (failed star), jupiter is a planet of gas not even close to the mass needed for a star and in an orbit that has been the same for millions of years. where this POSSIBLE brown dwarf is 20 x's colder and MUCH further out 9&% of its orbit.

Originally posted by lonelywolff
reply to post by Xcalibur254

 

i am sorry to disagree, but it would not reflect the same. for a few reasons

1) it is much colder and is not known to be made of same gas'es

2) it is possibly a brown dwarf (failed star), jupiter is a planet of gas not even close to the mass needed for a star and in an orbit that has been the same for millions of years. where this POSSIBLE brown dwarf is 20 x's colder and MUCH further out 9&% of its orbit.

Brown dwarfs still have the same composition as Jupiter, and are also much more massive.

Of course it would be visible.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


noone is sure exactly how a brown dwarf reflects light, for all we know it can be an object that absorbs light. These have been questions unanswered from ALL man kind for centuries. So, when we talk about brown dwarfs being a COMPLETE hypothesis, and possibly not real. we are only speculating as much as the supposed nasa and scientists