ELEnin Comet Is A NASA Psyop Cover For Incoming Dwarf Star

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Originally posted by ufoinquirer
9nania's 31st prediction was indeed a prediction, but even by her own omission, it was not based on the same alignment she used for her 11th-15th prediction and it didn't even feature her voice or image. i seriously am wondering if that's even her account anymore.

edit on 25-4-2011 by ufoinquirer because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by ufoinquirer i don't get it

on one point, you say her initial prediction video wasn't good enough

and then when you lose that argument

you have to go to her next video, which again even if she was sincere with prediction, it was not based on same patterns observed from last prediction

its not about if she's a good source or not either, it's just about odds of her making accurate prediction based on such an "inaccurate" theory

and earthquake activity has been getting worse and worse since 11th

again, EXACTLY the points I've already explained to these guys.

thank you

and for anyone who wants more insight into the context on what i've said/explained, answered and addressed on what these debunker/skeptics claim and deny, can take their pick from this set of posts that i've compiled that supports my argument against the assertions and criticism like the ones below i'm not gonna respond to because i already have; they keep repeating the same debunked arguments i've addressed like the one that because she's "been silent" lately, its allegedly because she "failed" or is scared to say anything now ?? bla bla bla

HUH?? Talk about RED-HERRINGS and making baseless claims... its pure denial, ignorance and disinfo.
Their criticisms aren't based off of any intelligent discourse or objective reasoning and analysis of all the data in context, and they cherry-pick what they'll respond to and address because its the only way they can make it look like they've proven or disproven anything when in fact its nothing but a FAIL.

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Originally posted by DJW001
I'm not the one twisting the truth; what she did is an old con game: "If you cross the river, a mighty army will be destroyed."
If the quake had struck California instead of Japan, she would have been right. If the quake had struck Japan on the 12th, she would have been right. If the quake had struck California on the 13th, she would have been right. If the quake had struck Japan on the 14th, but was only 6.0 but completely leveled a village, she would have been right. Do you see how the con works now?

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
Didn't you know that the March 31st prediction doesn't count? I mean she was so sure of her prediction that she told everyone in California to head to higher ground, which she herself claims to have done, but it wasn't a real prediction. If it had been a real prediction she would have been right. Since she wasn't right clearly she was just joking around or something and it shouldn't be held against her.

Originally posted by DJW001
I am one of the "science types" on this board and I am clearly appalled by the ignorance of basic science on the part of some members, and the willingness to exploit this ignorance on the part of others. Anything massive enough to cause earthquakes on Earth would be disturbing the tides and plucking asteroids out of their orbits; since none of that is happening, there is no massive body approaching. 9nania made a vague fear-mongering prediction and got lucky. She's gone silent now because she knows if she opens her mouth again her track record will drop from 50% (Remember the March 31st prediction?) to 33% and not even truthseeker1111 will be able to defend her any more.

Originally posted by DJW001
Michio Kushi's point was that we should always stay off the fault lines. That is a much more useful idea. My prediction is just as accurate as hers: get off the fault lines RIGHT NOW! There will be an earthquake in the next three days.

edit on 25-4-2011 by truthseekr1111 because: (no reason given)

Thanks for quoting posts that serve to prove his point, Mr. Chuckles.

reply to post by DJW001


Didnt she also predict a quake that was suppose to happen a week or so ago that DIDNT happen?

P.s. I hate when people type in all caps, mostly just see it from people under the age of 18

No dwarf star is coming, if there was it would have been spotted by amateur astronomers by now...

But thank you OP for making ANOTHER thread to add to the 100s of threads on here claming the same crap, and being refuted by the same logic and proof..........

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by DJW001

 

Didnt she also predict a quake that was suppose to happen a week or so ago that DIDNT happen?

P.s. I hate when people type in all caps, mostly just see it from people under the age of 18

No dwarf star is coming, if there was it would have been spotted by amateur astronomers by now...

But thank you OP for making ANOTHER thread to add to the 100s of threads on here claming the same crap, and being refuted by the same logic and proof..........

completely irrelevant

her 31st quake prediction was just not based on same patterns of alignment from before, and those patterns of alignment have been the center of debate

and again, it's not always about is there planet x or is there brown dwarf

what are the odds of this happening, what are the odds of comet's alignment mirroring only 8+ quakes this year - no one has done math yet

reply to post by ufoinquirer


nope its not irrelevant at all..............its only irrelevant when you dont like the information and it goes against the theories that people hold dear.............

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

nope its not irrelevant at all..............its only irrelevant when you dont like the information and it goes against the theories that people hold dear.............

how arrogant are you.

i'm currently in contact with leonid elenin and discussing ALL my theories with him, he's as intrigued as anyone - doesn't buy any 2012 hype, obviously, but even HE thinks the alignments are interesting !!! swear

as far as im concerned, 9nani was on to something in noticing those patterns and so far, the comet's perfect alignment has equated with our biggest quakes this year. march 31st was predicted, but it does not have the perect alignment

we are debating the odds of the perfect alignment correlating with these EQs. how many times does htat need to be said haha

reply to post by ufoinquirer


As has been stated time and again, no alignment occurred. Elenin is millions of miles above the Earth and Sun currently and if you draw a straight line between Elenin, Earth, and the Sun in the JPL data it was not straight on March 11th. Furthermore, people have been claiming the Chile quake was caused by Elenin. At this time Elenin was beyond the orbit of Jupiter. Considering that Jupiter does not produce earthquakes this object must be extremely massive, yet we cannot see anything other than a comet. Furthermore, it has not affected the orbits of anything in the solar system. Finally, there's the fact that the tides haven't been affected. As well know the gravity of the Moon is what produces the tides on Earth, yet it is incapable of producing earthquakes. So, if an object is massive enough to cause earthquakes beyond the orbit of Jupiter then it should be wreaking absolute havoc with our tides. So far none of these thing have been sufficiently explained and have been told that they are not relevant, despite the fact that these are based off of claims from the doomsday crowd.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

As has been stated time and again, no alignment occurred. Elenin is millions of miles above the Earth and Sun currently and if you draw a straight line between Elenin, Earth, and the Sun in the JPL data it was not straight on March 11th. Furthermore, people have been claiming the Chile quake was caused by Elenin. At this time Elenin was beyond the orbit of Jupiter. Considering that Jupiter does not produce earthquakes this object must be extremely massive, yet we cannot see anything other than a comet. Furthermore, it has not affected the orbits of anything in the solar system. Finally, there's the fact that the tides haven't been affected. As well know the gravity of the Moon is what produces the tides on Earth, yet it is incapable of producing earthquakes. So, if an object is massive enough to cause earthquakes beyond the orbit of Jupiter then it should be wreaking absolute havoc with our tides. So far none of these thing have been sufficiently explained and have been told that they are not relevant, despite the fact that these are based off of claims from the doomsday crowd.

"I just want to note that on March 11 2011, to the conjunction the comet with the Earth remained 3 days. Is it large or little time interval? I think it’s difficult to judge."
spaceobs.org...-1682

how arrogant are you. i'm currently in contact with leonid elenin and discussing ALL my theories with him, he's as intrigued as anyone - doesn't buy any 2012 hype, obviously, but even HE thinks the alignments are interesting !!! swear as far as im concerned, 9nani was on to something in noticing those patterns and so far, the comet's perfect alignment has equated with our biggest quakes this year. march 31st was predicted, but it does not have the perect alignment we are debating the odds of the perfect alignment correlating with these EQs. how many times does htat need to be said haha

Im arrogant and youre trying to name drop as if it adds validity to a far out claim?

Please..........spare me

reply to post by ufoinquirer


And once again my questions go largely unanswered. To paraphrase Elenin from that same page, this is a small comet, if it had the mass to cause earthquakes it would be visible with binoculars at this time. The comet's gravity is having no effects on earthquakes.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask

how arrogant are you. i'm currently in contact with leonid elenin and discussing ALL my theories with him, he's as intrigued as anyone - doesn't buy any 2012 hype, obviously, but even HE thinks the alignments are interesting !!! swear as far as im concerned, 9nani was on to something in noticing those patterns and so far, the comet's perfect alignment has equated with our biggest quakes this year. march 31st was predicted, but it does not have the perect alignment we are debating the odds of the perfect alignment correlating with these EQs. how many times does htat need to be said haha

Im arrogant and youre trying to name drop as if it adds validity to a far out claim?

Please..........spare me

it's not about name dropping !!!!!

grr.

this is hopeless.

you either think the odds are great or you don't. & since no one can do the math, we're back to square one on that.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

And once again my questions go largely unanswered. To paraphrase Elenin from that same page, this is a small comet, if it had the mass to cause earthquakes it would be visible with binoculars at this time. The comet's gravity is having no effects on earthquakes.

o m g

everyone agrees the comet isn't causing the earthquakes

that's why there's the intrigue/the mystery

rinse and repeat rinse and repeat, lets go over same points on and on


you think it was weird odds, and there must be some explanation we dont have, or you dont

THATS IT ! no reason to get all huffy puffy and argue

PS:

"Brown Dwarfs - A brown dwarf could also be called a failed star. During the process of star formation, some protostars never reach the critical mass required to ignite the fires of nuclear fusion. If the protostar's mass is only about 1/10 that of the Sun, it will glow only briefly until its energy dies out. What remains is a brown dwarf. It is a giant ball of gas that is too massive to be a planet but not massive enough to be a star. They are smaller than the Sun but several times larger than the planet Jupiter. Brown dwarfs emit no light or heat. They could account for some of the dark matter suspected to exist in the universe."

so how close would brown dwarf have to be to start emitting - sorry REFLECTING - light ?

so, essentailly how long ago should we have been able to see it?

reply to post by ufoinquirer


I'm sorry I just thought that with all the times "Elenin" and "earthquake" were used in the same sentence and all the times the JPL diagram has been posted that people were trying to make a connection between the two. Now I understand that people just have a problem with posting complete non sequiturs.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

I'm sorry I just thought that with all the times "Elenin" and "earthquake" were used in the same sentence and all the times the JPL diagram has been posted that people were trying to make a connection between the two. Now I understand that people just have a problem with posting complete non sequiturs.

no you notice something

test a theory

theory doesn't test

test a new one


why are you here agian ?

reply to post by ufoinquirer


This has also been covered ad nauseum. A brown dwarf would not need to emit light to be seen. None of the planets emit light. The reason we can see them is because they reflect light. A brown dwarf would be the same. Considering that Jupiter can be easily seen with the naked eye, a brown dwarf would be clear as day since it is larger than Jupiter. In order for a brown dwarf not to be detected in the visible spectrum it would have to be far beyond Pluto.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

This has also been covered ad nauseum. A brown dwarf would not need to emit light to be seen. None of the planets emit light. The reason we can see them is because they reflect light. A brown dwarf would be the same. Considering that Jupiter can be easily seen with the naked eye, a brown dwarf would be clear as day since it is larger than Jupiter. In order for a brown dwarf not to be detected in the visible spectrum it would have to be far beyond Pluto.

What about red dwarfs ?

Red dwarfs are very low-mass stars with no more than 40% of the mass of the Sun.[2] Consequently they have relatively low temperatures in their cores and energy is generated at a slow rate through nuclear fusion of hydrogen into helium by the proton-proton (PP) chain mechanism. Thus these stars emit little light, sometimes as little as 1/10,000th that of the Sun. Even the largest red dwarfs (for example HD 179930, HIP 12961 and Lacaille 8760) have only about 10% of the Sun's luminosity.[3]

reply to post by ufoinquirer


A red dwarf would be even more visible than a brown dwarf. Even if the light it emits is 10% of what the Sun does, it would still be emitting more light than any other object in the solar system outside of the Sun. Red dwarfs are the most common star in the universe, so many of the stars you see in the night sky are most likely red dwarfs. Now, these stars are lightyears away and we have no problem seeing them from Earth. Imagine how obvious one of these would be if it were a little over 1 AU away.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

A red dwarf would be even more visible than a brown dwarf. Even if the light it emits is 10% of what the Sun does, it would still be emitting more light than any other object in the solar system outside of the Sun. Red dwarfs are the most common star in the universe, so many of the stars you see in the night sky are most likely red dwarfs. Now, these stars are lightyears away and we have no problem seeing them from Earth. Imagine how obvious one of these would be if it were a little over 1 AU away.

thanks !

Is Leonid Elenin an anagram?
I just keep thinking it is but can't come up with anything.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

This has also been covered ad nauseum. A brown dwarf would not need to emit light to be seen. None of the planets emit light. The reason we can see them is because they reflect light. A brown dwarf would be the same. Considering that Jupiter can be easily seen with the naked eye, a brown dwarf would be clear as day since it is larger than Jupiter. In order for a brown dwarf not to be detected in the visible spectrum it would have to be far beyond Pluto.

"Planets shine by reflected light; stars shine by producing their own light. "

starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov...

so sorry trying hard ot understand this, stars shine by producing their own light OR reflecting ?