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noone is sure exactly how a brown dwarf reflects light, for all we know it can be an object that absorbs light.
Ned Wright, professor of astronomy and physics at UCLA and the principal investigator for the WISE mission, said that WISE will easily see an object with a mass a few times that of Jupiter and located 25,000 AU away, as suggested by Matese. “This is because Jupiter is self-luminous like a brown dwarf,” said Wright. “But for planets less massive than Jupiter in the far outer solar system, WISE will be less sensitive.”
The atmosphere of brown dwarfs looks very much like that of giant planets, therefore the same models are used to reproduce their physical conditions.
All this hysteria?
It's all our fault.
No one knows who to trust, and instead of us all just trying to achieve the same goal, each of us is just trying to prove each other right.
If the 'debunkers' had been better about explaining brown dwarf stars from beginning, we wouldn't have so much back and forth! Turns out they are extremely difficult to see and are a relatively new phenomenon to scientists. Does this mean Nibiru is coming? HELL NO. But you don't have to lie to get your point across, guys, just be honest - it's okay to appeal to the unknown sometimes.
I also forgot to mention that brown dwarfs have been photographed in the visible spectrum. They produce little to no light of their own, but they have a similar composition to Jupiter and as such reflect light like a planet, meaning it would be very visible.
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by ufoinquirer
All this hysteria?
It's all our fault.
Specifically, it is the fault of PlanetXGuy, truthseeker1111, Terral, Lucus, 9nania, AstrolPatriot and a small number of others who have been exploiting other people by spreading lies for their own ends.
No one knows who to trust, and instead of us all just trying to achieve the same goal, each of us is just trying to prove each other right.
Did I ever steer you wrong?
If the 'debunkers' had been better about explaining brown dwarf stars from beginning, we wouldn't have so much back and forth! Turns out they are extremely difficult to see and are a relatively new phenomenon to scientists. Does this mean Nibiru is coming? HELL NO. But you don't have to lie to get your point across, guys, just be honest - it's okay to appeal to the unknown sometimes.
This was on page 1 of this thread:
I also forgot to mention that brown dwarfs have been photographed in the visible spectrum. They produce little to no light of their own, but they have a similar composition to Jupiter and as such reflect light like a planet, meaning it would be very visible.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer
You have to question their motives when they refuse to see any other evidence. I have been insulted by and called a shill by all of the people listed simply because I posted scientific facts. When contrary evidence is provided they don't attempt to argue the facts, instead they attack and attempt to discredit the other person.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer
When contrary evidence is provided they don't attempt to argue the facts, instead they attack and attempt to discredit the other person.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ufoinquirer
You have to question their motives when they refuse to see any other evidence. I have been insulted by and called a shill by all of the people listed simply because I posted scientific facts. When contrary evidence is provided they don't attempt to argue the facts, instead they attack and attempt to discredit the other person.
Originally posted by DJW001
www.abovetopsecret.com...]post by ufoinquirer[/url]
All this hysteria?
It's all our fault.
Specifically, it is the fault of PlanetXGuy, truthseeker1111, Terral, Lucus, 9nania, AstrolPatriot and a small number of others who have been exploiting other people by spreading lies for their own ends.
AN URGENT WARNING TO ALL .. NOT MUCH TIME LEFT...
by Elenin Ninania on Friday, April 22, 2011 at 5:36am
This information is based on the writings and warnings from 9nania, Sollog & "Mythi" which I've compiled for those who don't have time to filter through all the data and want the bottom line from a very different perspective I submit has the most credibility of all sources I've seen.
From all my research, these are perhaps the most accurate, and important psychic/prophetic & channelled sources to consider if you're wanting insight into whats really about to happen on this planet since what they've previously warned of has already occurred and been validated as some of the links i've posted here demonstrate.
In the coming weeks I'll try to post as many other links and sources I can that my research, data and conclusions are based upon which has literally taken almost 20 years to compile and enabled me to determine the most credible and important sources and separate the above persons as authorities on this issue from all others.
For those who aren't familiar with these people, I highly recommend doing some research while their stories and information are still available. I believe only future generations and survivors will be able to fully understand and appreciate the significance of what they've warned of and are currently warning of for this time period when these events come to pass.
The MATRIX of ELENIN
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently, Comet Elenin may only be a precursor for a far larger and more significant celestial event that will begin in September during its fly-by when another system (most call NIBIRU) that as a whole may be FOUR times the size of JUPITER and on almost the same elliptical orbit as Elenin, will be undeniable to everyone on the planet as a SECOND SUN and pass Earth approximately 0.423AU … Nasa will no longer be able to cover-up this up even though for now Skeptics and disinfo agents will deny this is happening or possible using the argument it would already be causing havoc in our system and would be easily seen by now. But for those who haven't noticed, gravitational/magnetic field effects and earth changes ARE already taking place exponentially and will only increase as this system approaches and we get closer to OCTOBER not to mention the evidence why such an object wouldn't necessarily be clear or fully visible yet.
Then add evidence supporting claims of a Nasa's cover-up, 2012 hysteria and ELENIN being a distraction to hide the truth of this other SYSTEM approaching which will continue until the last moment or when this undeniable second sun appears sometime around August/September.
Neither of these objects will impact, however their passing will cause massive cataclysmic tectonic/seismic events that will rearrange the territorial geography of this planet. If you live in the CALIFORNIA or anywhere on the Western Coastal Region of North America, I highly recommend that you not only consider LEAVING these areas by OCTOBER or at the very least make survival preparations, but ignore skeptics and any Nasa or government officials and media who down-play and call this warning nonsense or based on unfounded hysteria.
9nania and Sollog are among many who have been warning through the ages of these earth changes in this time period, and now especially for the Western North American Coast Region specifically California and Los Angeles. These were the only 2 psychics on the planet who predicted the events on 3/11/11 and that was just a small example of what will happen soon in the Pacific Ring of Fire and on a global scale. On one hand I hope the information and these warnings are wrong, but on the other it may be necessary to bring earth into a higher frequency and aura.
Again, it appears these events will begin with Elenin's Sun-Earth "Alignments" that will directly affect the Pacific Ring of Fire and North American regions around October 2011 triggering more shifts causing a major collapse of the world economy and global havoc that will lead to a massive reduction in the worlds population.
Those that have done their research and are unplugged from the "matrix" of illusion, should seriously consider this message and at the very least begin to prepare which includes researching the safe zones.
Now I'm fully aware that for MOST humans, this scenario is unfathomable and disturbing to say the least, let alone that this could even occur THIS YEAR. But if you take the time to do some serious research and investigation and have the ability to consider a perspective most aren't aware of, the evidence, warnings and signs are clear, undeniable and cannot be ignored very much longer.
So it seems the world as we know it and understand is about to change drastically beginning THIS YEAR 2011, not 2012 as many believe and have been led to believe…
If you think world leaders aren't aware, know or are preparing for this, you haven't been paying attention and are probably still asleep.
Time to wake up
Originally posted by truthseekr1111
Originally posted by DJW001
www.abovetopsecret.com...]post by ufoinquirer[/url]
All this hysteria?
It's all our fault.
Specifically, it is the fault of PlanetXGuy, truthseeker1111, Terral, Lucus, 9nania, AstrolPatriot and a small number of others who have been exploiting other people by spreading lies for their own ends.
Lies for their own ends? Huh? WHAT ENDS? What if these concerns and the evidence thats been presented which YOU NOR ANYONE has been able to disprove and debunk, turns out to be right soon?
What kind of sick psuedo-skeptic are you? All the above listed names have provided/contributed important data that has yet to be conclusively proven wrong.
You might disagree or HATE THE MESSAGE, but killing the messenger is the same type of retarded mentality that only serves to perpetuate the state of ignorance that entertains nearly 6 billion still asleep on this planet.
Its borderline NAZIESQUE and despicable when rarely have those you listed launched any attacks and the type of ad-hom campaign you and your obfuscation brigade have been doing around here for years under the guise that you're just crusading against those exploiting people, spreading lies and falsehoods, when in fact the opposite is true.
Your arrogance is only matched by your incredible ignorance and inability to consider different perspectives not to mention your condescending tone, sarcasm and ridicule towards those seeking TRUTH which is beyond offensive in a forum designed to discuss theories and find the truth into what you claim there's no evidence for but continually fail to support.
With that said... suck on this ... I fully support it, but hope its wrong. But sadly the evidence suggests otherwise.
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when the events many are concerned about begin to happen in SEPTEMBER and the entire planet begins to awaken and see the second sun in AUGUST, i'd give anything to see the look on the faces of all those here whose disinfo, denial and ridicule steered many away from warnings like this that would have otherwise helped them make serious preparations amidst the chaos that you fools can't even begin to fathom.
You want to call this Fear Mongering and hysteria?
As someone said... i'm sure most were saying the same things you are thousands of years ago just before the last major civilization was destroyed... and I think in one time period, there's this little story of NOAH.
AN URGENT WARNING TO ALL .. NOT MUCH TIME LEFT...
by Elenin Ninania on Friday, April 22, 2011 at 5:36am
This information is based on the writings and warnings from 9nania, Sollog & "Mythi" which I've compiled for those who don't have time to filter through all the data and want the bottom line from a very different perspective I submit has the most credibility of all sources I've seen.
From all my research, these are perhaps the most accurate, and important psychic/prophetic & channelled sources to consider if you're wanting insight into whats really about to happen on this planet since what they've previously warned of has already occurred and been validated as some of the links i've posted here demonstrate.
In the coming weeks I'll try to post as many other links and sources I can that my research, data and conclusions are based upon which has literally taken almost 20 years to compile and enabled me to determine the most credible and important sources and separate the above persons as authorities on this issue from all others.
For those who aren't familiar with these people, I highly recommend doing some research while their stories and information are still available. I believe only future generations and survivors will be able to fully understand and appreciate the significance of what they've warned of and are currently warning of for this time period when these events come to pass.
The MATRIX of ELENIN
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently, Comet Elenin may only be a precursor for a far larger and more significant celestial event that will begin in September during its fly-by when another system (most call NIBIRU) that as a whole may be FOUR times the size of JUPITER and on almost the same elliptical orbit as Elenin, will be undeniable to everyone on the planet as a SECOND SUN and pass Earth approximately 0.423AU … Nasa will no longer be able to cover-up this up even though for now Skeptics and disinfo agents will deny this is happening or possible using the argument it would already be causing havoc in our system and would be easily seen by now. But for those who haven't noticed, gravitational/magnetic field effects and earth changes ARE already taking place exponentially and will only increase as this system approaches and we get closer to OCTOBER not to mention the evidence why such an object wouldn't necessarily be clear or fully visible yet.
Then add evidence supporting claims of a Nasa's cover-up, 2012 hysteria and ELENIN being a distraction to hide the truth of this other SYSTEM approaching which will continue until the last moment or when this undeniable second sun appears sometime around August/September.
Neither of these objects will impact, however their passing will cause massive cataclysmic tectonic/seismic events that will rearrange the territorial geography of this planet. If you live in the CALIFORNIA or anywhere on the Western Coastal Region of North America, I highly recommend that you not only consider LEAVING these areas by OCTOBER or at the very least make survival preparations, but ignore skeptics and any Nasa or government officials and media who down-play and call this warning nonsense or based on unfounded hysteria.
9nania and Sollog are among many who have been warning through the ages of these earth changes in this time period, and now especially for the Western North American Coast Region specifically California and Los Angeles. These were the only 2 psychics on the planet who predicted the events on 3/11/11 and that was just a small example of what will happen soon in the Pacific Ring of Fire and on a global scale. On one hand I hope the information and these warnings are wrong, but on the other it may be necessary to bring earth into a higher frequency and aura.
Again, it appears these events will begin with Elenin's Sun-Earth "Alignments" that will directly affect the Pacific Ring of Fire and North American regions around October 2011 triggering more shifts causing a major collapse of the world economy and global havoc that will lead to a massive reduction in the worlds population.
Those that have done their research and are unplugged from the "matrix" of illusion, should seriously consider this message and at the very least begin to prepare which includes researching the safe zones.
Now I'm fully aware that for MOST humans, this scenario is unfathomable and disturbing to say the least, let alone that this could even occur THIS YEAR. But if you take the time to do some serious research and investigation and have the ability to consider a perspective most aren't aware of, the evidence, warnings and signs are clear, undeniable and cannot be ignored very much longer.
So it seems the world as we know it and understand is about to change drastically beginning THIS YEAR 2011, not 2012 as many believe and have been led to believe…
If you think world leaders aren't aware, know or are preparing for this, you haven't been paying attention and are probably still asleep.
Time to wake up
NASA, most governments and many of the elites are well aware of whats about to happen... but they won't be giving this or any warnings to the sheep and sleeping masses. Never.
Lets just say by November, 9nania, Sollog, and someone thats called M ythi will become legends that only those in the future will look back and understand what the ignorant sleeping masses of this generation, couldn't and didn't because of people like youedit on 26-4-2011 by truthseekr1111 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by NyxOne
That video had nothing to do with Truthseekers post, further more, if you had actually read the post you would know it should not be visible to the naked eye just yet.