ELEnin Comet Is A NASA Psyop Cover For Incoming Dwarf Star

Um, several comets have had similar orbits. Are they all Planet X, suddenly?

And Elenin's basking in his newfound fame.

which comets?

Originally posted by thorazineshuffle

Um, several comets have had similar orbits. Are they all Planet X, suddenly?

And Elenin's basking in his newfound fame.

which comets?

edit on 21-4-2011 by thorazineshuffle because: (no reason given)

Halley, 2006's McNaught, Hale Bopp, West, Catalina, Hyakutake, Boattini, Brooks, Bennett, NEAT, LONEOS, Lulin...

Want others?

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my point is this. if the comet's no threat - or not linked to something we're not being told about - why would Leonid Elenin now add to the debate? do you think he wants the traffic ?

Did you actually bother to click on the images on the SpaceObs page? For most of the earthquakes, there was no "alignment" with the comet. He is trying to make the point that it is all coincidence.

Originally posted by nataylor
Not really. At 12:00 UTC on December 21, 2012, the Sun and Earth will be separated by by about 1° as viewed from Elenin. The smallest separation will occur around 07:00 UTC on December 26th, 2012, with a separation around 15'.

Interesting point, are you able to do the same calculations for the three dates referenced in this thread (shown below) to put any true xyz alignment theories to bed.

Feb 27, 2010 - 8.8 Chile Quake. Elenin - Earth - Sun alignment
Sep 4, 2010 - 7.2 Christchurch, New Zealand Quake. Elenin - Sun - Mercury - Earth alignment
Mar 11, 2011 - 9.0 Japan Quake. Elenin - Earth - Sun alignment

What software/website are you using to calculate the separation btw - i'd like to use it for planetary alignment models. Cheers.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

my point is this. if the comet's no threat - or not linked to something we're not being told about - why would Leonid Elenin now add to the debate? do you think he wants the traffic ?

Did you actually bother to click on the images on the SpaceObs page? For most of the earthquakes, there was no "alignment" with the comet. He is trying to make the point that it is all coincidence.

On Elenin's facebook, there is this conversation about th elink to his article he posted:
(translated)
'friend': Hmmm. Wildness shizy around your comet - the subject of a separate study ...
8 hours ago · Like
Leonid Elenin The same was true about C/1995 O1, but that's why my choice on a comet ... It's a question ...


? what to make of that ?

Originally posted by ufoinquirer

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

my point is this. if the comet's no threat - or not linked to something we're not being told about - why would Leonid Elenin now add to the debate? do you think he wants the traffic ?

Did you actually bother to click on the images on the SpaceObs page? For most of the earthquakes, there was no "alignment" with the comet. He is trying to make the point that it is all coincidence.

On Elenin's facebook, there is this conversation about th elink to his article he posted:
(translated)
'friend': Hmmm. Wildness shizy around your comet - the subject of a separate study ...
8 hours ago · Like
Leonid Elenin The same was true about C/1995 O1, but that's why my choice on a comet ... It's a question ...


? what to make of that ?

He mentions another comet that got a lot of buzz.

Originally posted by digitalf
Interesting point, are you able to do the same calculations for the three dates referenced in this thread (shown below) to put any true xyz alignment theories to bed.

Feb 27, 2010 - 8.8 Chile Quake. Elenin - Earth - Sun alignment
Sep 4, 2010 - 7.2 Christchurch, New Zealand Quake. Elenin - Sun - Mercury - Earth alignment
Mar 11, 2011 - 9.0 Japan Quake. Elenin - Earth - Sun alignment

What software/website are you using to calculate the separation btw - i'd like to use it for planetary alignment models. Cheers.

edit on 21-4-2011 by digitalf because: (no reason given)

Yup, did this a while back, using Starry Night Pro:

At 06:34:14 UTC on February 27, 2010, the time of the 8.8 Chile earthquake, the Earth and Elenin were separated by about 1° 04' 07" viewed from the sun. Elenin was actually most closely aligned with the Earth at only 0° 25' 21" of separation, at 05:20 UTC on February 26. 2010, or 1 day, 6 hours, and 14 minutes earlier.

Then there were 11 more earthquakes of 7.0 or higher.

At 16:35:46 UTC on September 03, 2010, the time of the 7.0 Christchurch earthquake, the Sun and Elenin were separated by about 1° 16' 38" viewed from Earth. Elenin was actually most closely aligned with the sun at only 0° 30' 22" at 04:35 UTC on September 05, 2010, or 1 day, 11 hours, and 59 minutes later.

Then there were 9 more earthquakes of 7.0 or higher.

At 05:46:23 UTC on March 11, 2011, the time of the 9.0 Japan earthquake, the Earth and Elenin were separated by about 3° 00' 00" viewed from the sun. Elenin was actually most closely aligned with the Earth at at only 0° 54' 21" at 13:00 UTC on March 14, 2011, or 3 day, 7 hours, and 14 minutes later.

O-reply to post by ufoinquirer was

On Elenin's facebook, there is this conversation about th elink to his article he posted:
(translated)
'friend': Hmmm. Wildness shizy around your comet - the subject of a separate study ...
8 hours ago · Like
Leonid Elenin The same was true about C/1995 O1, but that's why my choice on a comet ... It's a question ...


? what to make of that ?

Comet C1995 O-1 was comet Hale-Bopp:

In November 1996 amateur astronomer Chuck Shramek of Houston, Texas took a CCD image of the comet, which showed a fuzzy, slightly elongated object nearby. When his computer sky-viewing program did not identify the star, Shramek called the Art Bell radio program Coast to Coast AM to announce that he had discovered a "Saturn-like object" following Hale–Bopp. UFO enthusiasts, such as remote viewing proponent Courtney Brown, soon concluded that there was an alien spacecraft following the comet.[50] Several astronomers, including Alan Hale,[51] claimed the object was simply an 8.5-magnitude star, SAO141894, which did not appear on Shramek's computer program because the user preferences were set incorrectly.[52]
Later, Art Bell even claimed to have obtained an image of the object from an anonymous astrophysicist who was about to confirm its discovery. However, astronomers Olivier Hainaut and David J. Tholen of the University of Hawaii stated that the alleged photo was an altered copy of one of their own comet images.[53]
A few months later, in March 1997, the Heaven's Gate cult chose the appearance of the comet as a signal for their mass cult suicide. They claimed they were leaving their earthly bodies to travel to the spaceship following the comet.[54]
Nancy Lieder, a self-proclaimed contactee who claims to receive messages from aliens through an implant in her brain, stated that Hale–Bopp was a fiction designed to distract the population from the coming arrival of "Nibiru" or "Planet X", a giant planet whose close passage would disrupt the Earth's rotation, causing global cataclysm.[55] Although Lieder's original date for the apocalypse, May 2003, has now passed, the imminent arrival of Nibiru is still predicted by various conspiracy websites, most of whom tie it to the 2012 phenomenon.

Wikipedia

Learn from history; don't be a fool.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by truthseekr1111

 

How would/does "contacting him" resolve or address all the specific problems outlined surrounding questions about his identity as it relates to "comet" Elenin and conspiracy theories emerging?

In other words. no, you are afraid to contact him because it might dispel one of your delusions.

the only ones with the delusion are those who claim there's nothing suspect to question or to be concerned about.

Originally posted by DJW001
What "problems" do you see around a comet being named after its discoverer. exactly?

ufoinquirer summed up the issue extremely well... an excellent dissertation imo...so not too much else needed to say about it as far as i'm concerned.

Originally posted by DJW001
What makes the name "Elenin" any more sinister than "Jarnac" or "Kohoutek?"

The fact that Jarnac or Kohoutek have no PATTERN to anything close to the one that did with Elenin.

Originally posted by DJW001
This issue involves a potential conspiracy thats evolved due to someone who has ties to the Government with way too many bizarre coincidences that are reasonable to question considering the magnitude of whats being suggested and fact contradictory data exists to what the government has claimed and NOT been addressed as it relates to a unique THREAT this alleged comet poses.

Which government?

The United States of the Zionazis

Originally posted by DJW001
What ties does Leonid Yelenin have to the government?

MORE THAN YOU OR MOST REALIZE OR WOULD EVER ADMIT.... The connections are beyond obvious if at least, beyond mere coincidence.

and here's some interesting evidence, research and points from Loagun I agree with showing why things may not be as they appear on the surface. In fact, the smell of rotting fish is putrid and stinks to high heaven.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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Originally posted by DJW001
Incidentally, I thought you were of the opinion Leonid doesn't exist... now you're just contradicting yourself.

No, you're just making that ASSumtion out of context of all i've explained
on my position which is more about the story and/or data being fabricated and
manipulated.

Originally posted by DJW001
There are no bizzare coincidences other than the ones people like you are fabricating. There is no contradictory data and, as far as I can tell, no government has actually made any statement regarding this comet whatsoever!

yet the evidence thats been presented, suggests otherwise.

Originally posted by DJW001
Now since there's credible evidence proving the Government is known to lie, obfuscate, censor information and would cover-up this type of event so as not to instill panic for starters, these are reasonable questions and concerns for disclosure.

Again, which government? The Russian government? The US government?

you mean which government is known to lie???? ROFL … thats a a funny statement and if you can't see why its an oxymoron, you're a … well, nevermind.

Originally posted by DJW001
The US government regularly publishes a list of potentially dangerous near Earth objects (NEOs). You can keep track of all the genuinely dangerous planetoids here.

I no longer trust anything GOVERNMENTS and MSM say, especially the US government after 9/11.

Originally posted by DJW001How, exactly are the comet's discoverer and "Government officials" to blame for the fear mongering?
for the reasons i just explained.
This is what you said: "Now since there's credible evidence proving the Government is know to lie, obfuscate, censor information and would cover-up this type of event so as not to instill panic for starters...." So, which is it? Are they trying to prevent panic or cause it?

now you're playing typical semantics and word games straight out of the disinfo pseudo-skeptic handbook.

I'm not taking the bait… if you can't comprehend the obvious reason why the government would hide such information as long as possible and how both
fits into a government NWO agenda, you're either in denial, naive, ignorant or have an agenda.

Originally posted by DJW001
Sorry, but it's clear that even in your own accounting, it's you who are the fear monger. Why do you do it, Terral?

Haha… wow… talk about delusional and being paranoid. I know who he is
and have alot of respect for much of his data and postings, but i'm not sure
how anyone could conclude i'm him. Do you know what syntax is for starters?

I suggest you find another argument to use in your attempts at debunking… so far its a fail...especially the one that i'm somebody i'm not.

Originally posted by DJW001Since the information i'm talking about doesn't come from AstrolPatriot and I have no idea what specifically you're talking about, that points irrelevant. If there's some video that was bogus and there's evidence supporting that claim, i'll be the first to agree with you if it is. However I'm not sure how it relates to any data used in this argument.

What data?

DATA from star trek of course

Originally posted by DJW001
I've already PROVEN, addressed and explained exactly how and why that "argument" is also irrelevant and fallacious.

Where? All I know is that if a "psychic" makes two predictions and one of them is completely wrong, they can only claim to be right half the time. This is about what you get by simply flipping a coin.

the first and primary prediction she made was a direct hit and she clarified
over and over the date.

Part of her vision/prophecy/prediction(s) were explained to also include
events for September through November…

Her secondary "prediciton" was explained by her to be more of a GUESS.

so there were clear differences… but only someone who hasn't fully researched the issue or doesn't have all
the facts and likes to make claims and assertions that are out of context,
wouldn't know or be able to properly understand let alone address the issue properly as you've demonstrated.

Originally posted by DJW001
There is absolutely no logical reason for people to be concerned.
If a comet somehow could affect the Earth's crust enough to cause earthquakes, wouldn't it also affect the tides? Have there been reports of the tides being out of whack? No.

RED HERRING... need a fishing pole?

Wrong; it is at the heart of the matter; anything that can disturb solid rock would have an even greater effect on water.

please provide scientific data to support that claim and be sure to
show other examples as well.

Originally posted by DJW001
Who's to say it won't during a closer alignment? And how would a plasma energy/magnetic field from a comet like Elenin on the type of path its on, interact the same way as lets say the MOON is said to affect tides?

So to ignore the clear pattern and say nothing to see here folks move along, is at best disingenuous and borderline disinfo if not naive.

The Moon is much, much closer to Earth and is much, much more massive than a comet. It is directly responsible for the tides; this has been understood for millennia. (You trust the wisdom of the ancient peoples, don't you?) We have understood that this is due to its gravity for 300 years now. Despite its being closer and more massive, it does not cause earthquakes; earthquakes are the result of shifts in the tectonic plates.
As for magnetic fields and plasma, there is no reason to believe that this comet has any magnetic field at all, and it won't be kicking out much plasma until it grows a proper tail. If this comet were "hot," wouldn't it be affecting radio transmissions?

so you're saying there's no evidence that the moon has anything to do
with earthquakes? Um okaaaaaay. lol

but again you refuse to address the primary issue which has to do mostly with
a clear Pattern which includes the hypothesis having to do with the possibility that the effects occurring are due to the alignment of 3 particular bodies.

and how is the moons composition comparable to a comet?

oh and what makes you so certain this comet "doesn't have ANY magnetic field at all"?

Originally posted by DJW001Just the FACT they've created an orbital model suggests its significant enough to OBSERVE and is itself a form of TRACKING.

The JPL database keeps track of everything in the solar system. Here, check this out; or this! It's just a database, it's not an active form of "tracking." It does allow astronomers to create ephemerides in order to observe things, however, and it is astronomers, not "the Government" that is observing this and many, many other comets.

so let me get this straight, you're saying all comets have the same orbit diagram as elenin?

Originally posted by DJW001Last I checked and from what i understand, many of these so-called "amateur astronomers" have been shown to have direct links to, if not working for NASA/the government or associated agencies. Its not like these amateurs have cheap telescopes they bought at a local Wal-mart. Lol

If you've "checked," please post the results of your research here. Incidentally, although you claim not to know of him, AstrolPatriot claims to be using a cheap telescope he bought at WalMart.

i was saying in general.

Originally posted by DJW001except once again, not only have you failed to address all the actual problems several people have pointed out, but no where do i believe or am i using or rely only on data from AP to support or my argument.

And once again, you avoid the issue and claim to have supported your argument without having done so.

for instance? like what?

Originally posted by DJW001But unfortunately for you, the specs are different and i can't see how its specifically comparable to this particular case especially in context of the totality of my argument.

Yes, the "specs are different," yet we see the same "result." That's the point. The "totality" of your argument consists denying reality, quoting vague prophecies and generating acrostics... not even very good acrostics, like: Every Lazy Earthling Needs Imaginary Nibiru.

please show how anything presented contains acrostics as the term relates to this issue in the way you claim.

and NO, sorry,,, both 9nania and sollog were both EXACT and LITERAL as well as prophetically correct. For you to claim they've been VAGUE when facts and evidence PROVES otherwise, shows you're either in denial, ignorant of the issue, or spreading disinfo.

Originally posted by DJW001hmmmm, Perhaps it did have an influence on that quake and there is in fact relationships between Sun/Earth alignments and comets of a certain mass , THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. It only strengthens my case.

Compared to the Earth, comets have almost no mass, so no, it doesn't strengthen your argument.

even if that were true, it still doesn't negate/disprove the possibility or other possibilities.

Originally posted by DJW001but still, unless and until you can show ANY SIMILAR PATTERN, it isn't remotely comparable to Elenin and cannot therefore be used to debunk the evidence for the arguement not to mention that quake was only a 6.9 and not remotely comparable to the magnitude and dynamics of the 3 quakes during the alignments in question.

What about all the other quakes that happened when C2010 X-1 was still far out in the outer solar system? What caused them? Earthquakes just happen! There is no causality involved in your "pattern." There are more and bigger quakes that have happened when C2010 X-1 was not around; that alone shows that your "pattern" is nothing more than coincidence!

except the PATTERN suggests otherwise and cannot be conclusively ruled out.

Sorry….just because quakes happen all the time, doesn't invalidate this theory when there's evidence of a PATTERN that supports it. The odds 3 GREAT QUAKES connected 3 times to a UNIQUE alignment, is astronomical by itself.

you still continue failing to show evidence to support your argument and PROVE mine since again, just because quakes happen, doesn't address the fact in this case, these weren't just any quakes not to mention there's no other examples you can use to compare. You can claim all day long there's no evidence or scientific method to measure causality. Its impossible to measure when the same pattern cannot be duplicated. This issue isn't about what can be duplicated or used to measure quakes. Your entire premise is false.

Originally posted by DJW001So Obviously that would lend further credence to the hypothesis of Elenin being far larger and significant than most estimate at this time to cause such large quakes in conjuction with the alignments. (Or maybe it has something do with a larger Mass Object around the area of Elenin picking up the rear?

A more massive body would cause gravitational perturbations on the rest of the solar system. There are none.

PROVE there are no gravitational perturbations going on elsewhere.

Originally posted by DJW001because I've shown exactly how and why your counter-argument is wrong.

If my rebuttal is wrong, then show exactly how and where it is... its called intelligent discourse/debate and how to measure which argument carries more validity or accuracy.

Where have you done that? Certainly not in this post.

i've written several rebuttals.

Originally posted by DJW001No, the point was that you appear to be "Eluding" there were many other
comparable quakes in the past year! Thats not true.

And how exactly is anything i've said CYNICAL or Exploitative?

Where was C2010 X-1 in 1923?

The 1923 Great Kantō earthquake (関東大震災 Kantō daishinsai?) struck the Kantō plain on the Japanese main island of Honshū at 11:58:44 am JST on September 1, 1923. Varied accounts hold that the duration of the earthquake was between 4 and 10 minutes. The Kantō quake killed between 100,000 and 140,000 people, making it the deadliest earthquake ever to strike Japan.
The quake had a magnitude of 7.9 on the Richter scale,[1] with its focus deep beneath Izu Ōshima Island in Sagami Bay.

Wikipedia

the issue is about using and analyzing a pattern that creates evidence for
this argument which you have yet to prove wrong.

Originally posted by DJW001
You're the one who refuses to look at the facts, and who is creating fear out of nothing. Why?

because all the evidence in totality and context shows patterns of deception or
at least contradictions and inconsistencies that make no sense and have not
been adequately addressed by officials.

and because of the other pattern you nor ANYONE has yet adequately addressed and debunked.

there's valid reasons to question the governments STORY.

there's credible evidence validating 2 "psychics" whose predictions/prophecies
were correct both literally and allegorically and therefore its logical to consider what they have to say when it comes to other future events alone whether science is able to use its methods to measure "prophecy" or not… which is irrelevant.

So why do you continue to deny there's EVIDENCE supporting the arguments
being made?

Its one thing to be skeptical, but there's a difference and point where it becomes unhealthy skepticism and even denial or disinfo.

the bottom line is that you've failed to show exactly how and where they FAILED and where there's NO EVIDENCE and where the argument i've presented is conclusively wrong and just coincidence

You know, part of me thinks that if the discoverer had a completely different last name, this comet would go entirely unnoticed.

But I actually welcome it being named Elenin, because then we have such hilarity as assclowns grovelling before failed psychics and thinking there's a 'pattern', and that a random Russian astronomer, who discovered the first comet to be named after a Russian in twenty years, randomly has government ties.

Nutjobs are so hilarious.

You're on to something for sure.

I, for one, know that if I were a NASA scientist tasked with hiding such a catastrophic astronomical event from the general public, my first act would be to take the term "Extinction Level Event," and put its acronym directly into the name of the object I don't want anyone paying attention to. Then, I would find some hapless Russian astronomer whose last name corresponds to my sinister fake name for the object, and credit him with its discovery.

Seriously, it's like Occam's Razor has never occurred to some of you at all.

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On second reading I picked up on the sarcasm, so nevermind.

reply to post by truthseekr1111

because all the evidence in totality and context shows patterns of deception or
at least contradictions and inconsistencies that make no sense and have not
been adequately addressed by officials.

and because of the other pattern you nor ANYONE has yet adequately addressed and debunked.

there's valid reasons to question the governments STORY.

there's credible evidence validating 2 "psychics" whose predictions/prophecies
were correct both literally and allegorically and therefore its logical to consider what they have to say when it comes to other future events alone whether science is able to use its methods to measure "prophecy" or not… which is irrelevant.

So why do you continue to deny there's EVIDENCE supporting the arguments
being made?

Its one thing to be skeptical, but there's a difference and point where it becomes unhealthy skepticism and even denial or disinfo.

the bottom line is that you've failed to show exactly how and where they FAILED and where there's NO EVIDENCE and where the argument i've presented is conclusively wrong and just coincidence

Since anyone with a third grade education can see that you did not actually respond to any of my statements I feel no need to repeat them; all you will do is claim that you refuted them and call me childish names. Since you seem to pin your case on prophecy, allow me to prove my bona fides in this area:

I PREDICT THAT THERE WILL BE A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE IN THE NEXT THREE DAYS!!! Like the prophets you count upon, I will be extremely specific: this earthquake will measure 6.0 or greater on the Richter scale, and will take place... I'm seeing the west coast of the United States or South America, possibly Iran or China and maybe either the South Pacific or the New Madrid fault. It is currently 13.34 Greenwich Mean Time on 25 April 2011. When this earthquake strikes, it will be no laughing matter, and you will need to acknowledge the insight I have into these matters.

Originally posted by NyxOne
You know, part of me thinks that if the discoverer had a completely different last name, this comet would go entirely unnoticed.

But I actually welcome it being named Elenin, because then we have such hilarity as assclowns grovelling before failed psychics and thinking there's a 'pattern', and that a random Russian astronomer, who discovered the first comet to be named after a Russian in twenty years, randomly has government ties.

Nutjobs are so hilarious.

why can't everyone just agree that it sucks that we can't trust our government or NASA so we have to look back at ancient texts to have an idea of what will go down on our planet

there is no need to ridicule anyone.

crazy # is going on with our planet - NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, there were some crazy coincidences (elenin won't tell me if his parents named him after the comet, eh could have cleared up a lot of confusion by now by doing a single video or high-profile interview for the US)

if you're annoyed that you have to tell people the truth, don't get annoyed at the people - get annoyed at the government


this is something i increasingly don't understand here, how anyone expects anyone to trust the government or NASA

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why can't everyone just agree that it sucks that we can't trust our government or NASA so we have to look back at ancient texts to have an idea of what will go down on our planet

Why do you trust the ancient texts? Most of them were written by theocratic dictators who practiced human sacrifice.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

why can't everyone just agree that it sucks that we can't trust our government or NASA so we have to look back at ancient texts to have an idea of what will go down on our planet

Why do you trust the ancient texts? Most of them were written by theocratic dictators who practiced human sacrifice.

wow do YOU have a closed mind !!!

because we have all been trained and conditioned to compartmentalize our understanding of the world, and accept everything we learn in a passive way instead of discovering and observing for ourselves - as we're intended to be - and accepting that the amount of Unknown to Known is greater

and that as with any historical period in time, we're likely being LIED to about all kinds of things - for example free energy and Great Pyramid/ley line potential - and i'd rather find out what those thigns are, instead of continuing to do the same thing over and over again and keep letting history repeat itself

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by ufoinquirer

 

why can't everyone just agree that it sucks that we can't trust our government or NASA so we have to look back at ancient texts to have an idea of what will go down on our planet

Why do you trust the ancient texts? Most of them were written by theocratic dictators who practiced human sacrifice.

why do you think there are not scientific truths being kept from you, or lied to you about? it's happened every other time in history. why is now the exception?

BOTTOM LINE.

You genuinely seek the truth.
Or you don't.
We're ALL in this together. We all want the same thing - the truth. We can get frustrated at each other, but if we keep warring with each other, this world will never get ANYWHERE.

We cannot trust that even our science books are telling us the whole truth - not just because they're dated, but because if we learn from history we learn that.... a) knowledge is power and it can be kept from masses, and used as weapon or tool of manipulation, and b) scientific truths are never absolute and are always changing with new evidence.

So, some of you are true-blue scientists. WE NEED YOU to help us figure out the truth.

However, in order for their to be progress, in order for us all to turn these conspiracy theory conversations into more productive searches for the truth... you've GOT to start CONSIDERING that YOU DO NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO KNOW IT ALL, AND IT MIGHT VERY WELL BE INTENTIONALLY SET UP THAT WAY SO THAT YOU NEVER QUESTION ANYTHING AGAIN.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by truthseekr1111

because all the evidence in totality and context shows patterns of deception or
at least contradictions and inconsistencies that make no sense and have not
been adequately addressed by officials.

and because of the other pattern you nor ANYONE has yet adequately addressed and debunked.

there's valid reasons to question the governments STORY.

there's credible evidence validating 2 "psychics" whose predictions/prophecies
were correct both literally and allegorically and therefore its logical to consider what they have to say when it comes to other future events alone whether science is able to use its methods to measure "prophecy" or not… which is irrelevant.

So why do you continue to deny there's EVIDENCE supporting the arguments
being made?

Its one thing to be skeptical, but there's a difference and point where it becomes unhealthy skepticism and even denial or disinfo.

the bottom line is that you've failed to show exactly how and where they FAILED and where there's NO EVIDENCE and where the argument i've presented is conclusively wrong and just coincidence

Since anyone with a third grade education can see that you did not actually respond to any of my statements I feel no need to repeat them; all you will do is claim that you refuted them and call me childish names.

Since anyone with a 1ST GRADE education can see that you're actually the one here that didn't respond to ANY of my statements or replies that in FACT DID answer yours, I also feel no need to repeat them since all you'll do is continue your evasions and obfuscations to hide the fact you can't support your claims or disprove my arguments.

Originally posted by DJW001
Since you seem to pin your case on prophecy, allow me to prove my bona fides in this area:
I PREDICT THAT THERE WILL BE A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE IN THE NEXT THREE DAYS!!! Like the prophets you count upon, I will be extremely specific: this earthquake will measure 6.0 or greater on the Richter scale, and will take place... I'm seeing the west coast of the United States or South America, possibly Iran or China and maybe either the South Pacific or the New Madrid fault. It is currently 13.34 Greenwich Mean Time on 25 April 2011. When this earthquake strikes, it will be no laughing matter, and you will need to acknowledge the insight I have into these matters.

edit on 25-4-2011 by DJW001 because: Edit to correct typo.

Well lets see... Quakes 6.0 are considered to be common place now which would hardly be noticed compared to Quakes 7.0 and greater which are the TYPES above that this issue is about. But then I've already posted a rebuttal discussing the ODDS and number probability in EARTHQUAKE PREDICTION and why 9nania giving an EXACT DATE and describing it would be a cataclysmic seismic event occurring in conjunction with a specific PATTERN, is beyond mere chance and coincidence. Lets see you name an exact date and region for a Large or GREAT Quake that can be classified as being CATASTROPHIC in even a similar context as 9NANIA or Sollog has...who by the way, is the most accurate quake predictor thats ever lived from all the evidence i've seen.

So let me know when you want to revise your argument and use a comparable scenario to measure the circumstances and dynamics surrounding whats AT ISSUE regarding ELENIN and why the odds of 9nania and sollogs warnings/predictions, were astronomical. Clearly you don't seem to understand quake prediction, law of probability, or anything you're criticizing and attempting to say is no big deal.

Nice try though,,, NOT

Originally posted by truthseekr1111

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by truthseekr1111

 

because all the evidence in totality and context shows patterns of deception or
at least contradictions and inconsistencies that make no sense and have not
been adequately addressed by officials.

and because of the other pattern you nor ANYONE has yet adequately addressed and debunked.

there's valid reasons to question the governments STORY.

there's credible evidence validating 2 "psychics" whose predictions/prophecies
were correct both literally and allegorically and therefore its logical to consider what they have to say when it comes to other future events alone whether science is able to use its methods to measure "prophecy" or not… which is irrelevant.

So why do you continue to deny there's EVIDENCE supporting the arguments
being made?

Its one thing to be skeptical, but there's a difference and point where it becomes unhealthy skepticism and even denial or disinfo.

the bottom line is that you've failed to show exactly how and where they FAILED and where there's NO EVIDENCE and where the argument i've presented is conclusively wrong and just coincidence

Since anyone with a third grade education can see that you did not actually respond to any of my statements I feel no need to repeat them; all you will do is claim that you refuted them and call me childish names.

Since anyone with a 1ST GRADE education can see that you're actually the one here that didn't respond to ANY of my statements or replies that in FACT DID answer yours, I also feel no need to repeat them since all you'll do is continue your evasions and obfuscations to hide the fact you can't support your claims or disprove my arguments.

Since you seem to pin your case on prophecy, allow me to prove my bona fides in this area:
I PREDICT THAT THERE WILL BE A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE IN THE NEXT THREE DAYS!!! Like the prophets you count upon, I will be extremely specific: this earthquake will measure 6.0 or greater on the Richter scale, and will take place... I'm seeing the west coast of the United States or South America, possibly Iran or China and maybe either the South Pacific or the New Madrid fault. It is currently 13.34 Greenwich Mean Time on 25 April 2011. When this earthquake strikes, it will be no laughing matter, and you will need to acknowledge the insight I have into these matters.

edit on 25-4-2011 by DJW001 because: Edit to correct typo.

Well lets see... Quakes 6.0 are considered to be common place now which would hardly be noticed compared to Quakes 7.0 and greater which are the TYPES above that this issue is about. But then I've already posted a rebuttal discussing the ODDS and number probability in EARTHQUAKE PREDICTION and why 9nania giving an EXACT DATE and describing it would be a cataclysmic seismic event occurring in conjunction with a specific PATTERN, is beyond mere chance and coincidence. Lets see you name an exact date and region for a Large or GREAT Quake that can be classified as being CATASTROPHIC in even a similar context as 9NANIA or Sollog has...who by the way, is the most accurate quake predictor thats ever lived from all the evidence i've seen.

But let me know when you want to revise your argument and use a comparable scenario to measure the circumstances and dynamics surrounding whats AT ISSUE regarding ELENIN and why the odds of 9nania and sollogs warnings/predictions, were astronomical. Clearly you don't seem to understand quake prediction, law of probability, or anything you're criticizing and attempting to say is no big deal.

Nice try though,,, NOT

i do wish we could get a statistician or someone in here who could help us understand odds etc -- this should really not be ignored when we're debating things, i'm annoyed that it is