Alchemy and The Philosopher's Stone is Real

It states that the ultimate perfection is gold.. which is male.. Does this mean if I use it, I would turn into a man? The perfect man?
Or should I stick with the impure white stone?

Originally posted by seagrass
It states that the ultimate perfection is gold.. which is male.. Does this mean if I use it, I would turn into a man? The perfect man?
Or should I stick with the impure white stone?

No, it does not mean that you would turn into a man.

Originally posted by sign00

I didn't hide the fact that I have not yet finished the Stone, it is stated cleared at the top of the Afterword, and this has also been mentioned many times in this thread. At no point have I attempted to imply otherwise.

OK, I didn't read the entire thread. But I also wasn't trying to imply any deception on your part (I didn't even realize the author was on ATS!). I was just pointing out that its still theory at this point.

Originally posted by sign00

Again, this is written clearly in the book... although there are societies which exist today which associate themselves with the Rosicrucians, they are not related. The original Rosicrucians possessed the Stone, whereas societies of the same name today know very little (real) info about it.

Again I beg to differ, based on my personal experience which I obviously can't (and won't) prove on an online forum to a bunch of anonymous people. I'm not speaking of AMORC, SRIA, the Golden Dawn, or other pop up RC orders either. I mean a lineage that traces itself back to the manifestos, Grandmaster to Grandmaster, Teacher to Student, like they have lineage in the East.

Originally posted by sign00

Yes, and for the same reason. If you read the book fully you will see the quotes from Taoist alchemists who state that the Stone gives the same effect as does the spiritual path, only much quicker and surer.

I read all the quotes and most of the book. The difference is you believe the Stone is external and the Spiritual internal. I believe both are internal, and agree the Stone is a quicker path.

If as above so below.. why do we need a stone at all? If all is a reflection in unity...we should be our own "stones".
Representing the physical alchemy of sun and moon, metal and the four elements.. infused with lifeforce... life-energy.. why do we need salt, and beakers and urine and time? Why need anything to do this? It seems if nature intends us to become golden... we can do this without props and in an instant. That is my "spiritual" take on it. Do we not have this stone within us already? Some say it's the pineal gland. The all seeing eye.

Somehow the stone and its creation seems unnatural to me.

Originally posted by seagrass
If as above so below.. why do we need a stone at all? If all is a reflection in unity...we should be our own "stones".
Representing the physical alchemy of sun and moon, metal and the four elements.. infused with lifeforce... life-energy.. why do we need salt, and beakers and urine and time? Why need anything to do this? It seems if nature intends us to become golden... we can do this without props and in an instant. That is my "spiritual" take on it. Do we not have this stone within us already? Some say it's the pineal gland. The all seeing eye.

Somehow the stone and its creation seems unnatural to me.

If all is a reflection in unity, then the Stone must exist physically. Every level of reality is a reflection of the one above. This is what the "spiritual" interpreters don't understand: that you cannot have one without the other. The physical world is only a reflection of the spiritual and therefore there is literally a physical Stone. Either that, or the whole concept is bogus (must be all or none!)

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Are you kin to anyone who is in the beaker selling business?
That's the only angle i could find into why you do this other than you being a righteous person.

The Philosophers Stone is a metallic spore matured through the combined efforts of Art and Nature, not to the perfection of common gold, but to a plusquam perfection. But how can we acquire a really metallic spore?
When the Philosophers speak about their one and only matter, they are referring to the conjunction which is made between their prepared matter and the most universal matter which is the real living principle of all three Natural kingdoms. The first secret of the Work consists in the destruction of the mineral-metallic body for the extraction of it's spore and the second in the preparation of that spore so as it becomes a real magnet for that most universal matter.

About that study the works of Limojon de St Didier, most charitable and best of all alchemical authors.

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Thanks for this.
Ill be reading it soon
Also only way I could seem to subscribe to the thread was reply
Thank You

kids.summum.us...

The word "mummy" comes from an Arabic word for a black gooey stuff.

Some people used mummies to get better when they were sick.

radiographics.rsna.org...
This process brings a new way to look at mummification and reasons for doing it in the first place.I find it very telling that they were covered in gold dust before they were wrapped.
I remember watching a special about tombs in egypt that people visited everyday they sell the dust scraped of the outside of the mummies.they were speculating as to what energy was coming from the people that visited the tomb to make this happen.It seems to me that may be people were pissing on the mummies!

Originally posted by sign00

Originally posted by seagrass
If as above so below.. why do we need a stone at all? If all is a reflection in unity...we should be our own "stones".
Representing the physical alchemy of sun and moon, metal and the four elements.. infused with lifeforce... life-energy.. why do we need salt, and beakers and urine and time? Why need anything to do this? It seems if nature intends us to become golden... we can do this without props and in an instant. That is my "spiritual" take on it. Do we not have this stone within us already? Some say it's the pineal gland. The all seeing eye.

Somehow the stone and its creation seems unnatural to me.

If all is a reflection in unity, then the Stone must exist physically. Every level of reality is a reflection of the one above. This is what the "spiritual" interpreters don't understand: that you cannot have one without the other. The physical world is only a reflection of the spiritual and therefore there is literally a physical Stone. Either that, or the whole concept is bogus (must be all or none!)

To state that each level of reality is a "reflection" of the one above is to assume they are separate sources of light. If all is unity there would be no separation and no "physicality" to need literal anything. i.e. a stone.

We produce the urine in the first place. Are we not source?

If you cannot have one without the other (physicality and spirituality), then the stone is within both. A stone cannot exist physically if it does not exist spiritually.

So if we are source and we are physical, you are saying that there must be a physical stone. Are we not also represented in the spiritually reflected levels in which there is no stone? We are unified with these levels as well. This is what unity means after all.

Why would anyone want to become immortal? It would require more than a stone of magic to entice me to want to stay here. To want to stay here would require more than health and beauty. More than money. It would require (at least) that everyone have a stone. And from what I have seen in my lifetime there are a few who might use it in ways which would only prolong the suffering indefinitely. I suppose if men had no fear of death and of disease and of ugliness, much of the suffering would cease, but is fear the cause of it all?
To post a way for everyone to have a stone is intriguing. And frightening at the same time.
To have access to the spiritual realms by using the stone might make all the difference here. If I could understand how a physical stone can do this, you might have me buying beakers.

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In theory if you stop taking the stone (assuming it does provide near infinite vitality) you will die eventually. It would merely provide you relief from suffering so you can focus on what you want to, ideally spiritual alchemy, until you are ready to move on.

reply to post by time91


Your train of thought is found in the teachings of jesus.
However if it is real this is what could be holding humanity down.Just imagine the knowledge advantage one would gain by living several lifetimes.One could track human nature to a point of manipulation on a biblical scale.

Originally posted by deadeyedick
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Your train of thought is found in the teachings of jesus.
However if it is real this is what could be holding humanity down.Just imagine the knowledge advantage one would gain by living several lifetimes.One could track human nature to a point of manipulation on a biblical scale.

This statement assumes it takes more than one lifetime to gain the knowledge we need to have an advantage. I'd say it takes a lifetime to take us far from nature and from the simple art of living and that is no advantage. Experience on the other hand would be much more vast, and the quality of that experience would be enhanced with health and beauty and peace amongst people. No doctors or lawyers or insurance salesmen. Perfect health and beauty and mental health is nothing near our present reality. That would change everything. What would you be striving for in that situation? What would you be living for?

Originally posted by time91
reply to post by seagrass

 

In theory if you stop taking the stone (assuming it does provide near infinite vitality) you will die eventually. It would merely provide you relief from suffering so you can focus on what you want to, ideally spiritual alchemy, until you are ready to move on.

There have been times where I wanted to "quit taking the stone" when I was young, healthy, had beauty and had wealth. They weren't relief from suffering.

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Probably because it didn't feel real? Suffering and struggling always seem more real than happiness, unfortunately. But that doesn't mean that they are better. If you have a focus to learn and help others, then health would be a great benefit, enabling you to work without distraction. Some understanding would be required before the stone was given, however. Once you suffer and come to certain understandings, you could move on.

Originally posted by seagrass

Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by time91

 

Your train of thought is found in the teachings of jesus.
However if it is real this is what could be holding humanity down.Just imagine the knowledge advantage one would gain by living several lifetimes.One could track human nature to a point of manipulation on a biblical scale.

This statement assumes it takes more than one lifetime to gain the knowledge we need to have an advantage. I'd say it takes a lifetime to take us far from nature and from the simple art of living and that is no advantage. Experience on the other hand would be much more vast, and the quality of that experience would be enhanced with health and beauty and peace amongst people. No doctors or lawyers or insurance salesmen. Perfect health and beauty and mental health is nothing near our present reality. That would change everything. What would you be striving for in that situation? What would you be living for?

Well the majority of humans and their lifestyles it will not happen in a life time.I'm not sure though why some find answers in a short amount of time.May be they just look harder.I think the process of the author speaks of is a reflection of everything and one must rise and fall in order to shed the impurities that ground us.


So then why bother to make the stone?I think that their will be a great battle brought before our eyes when the unveiling spoke of in the bible happens.I believe that soon the majority human beings will have a common enemy and great strenght will be required to pave the streets in gold.This was held from us until the population is enough to overcome in the great battle.

I had an experience once where i didn't know anything for a couple hours.It was quite a revealing time for me.Recently i had a dream where i went through the same thing the night before someone close to me attempted to take their own life.When i try to imagine what goes through an animals mind i think it is much like what i felt.I think that heaven could be something like that.Most people would not connect the two but i do.Such a powerful dream then such a shock the next day i do find links.My point being that until we can shed these everyday emotions we will be plagued with judgment.

Originally posted by seagrass

Originally posted by sign00

Originally posted by seagrass
If as above so below.. why do we need a stone at all? If all is a reflection in unity...we should be our own "stones".
Representing the physical alchemy of sun and moon, metal and the four elements.. infused with lifeforce... life-energy.. why do we need salt, and beakers and urine and time? Why need anything to do this? It seems if nature intends us to become golden... we can do this without props and in an instant. That is my "spiritual" take on it. Do we not have this stone within us already? Some say it's the pineal gland. The all seeing eye.

Somehow the stone and its creation seems unnatural to me.

If all is a reflection in unity, then the Stone must exist physically. Every level of reality is a reflection of the one above. This is what the "spiritual" interpreters don't understand: that you cannot have one without the other. The physical world is only a reflection of the spiritual and therefore there is literally a physical Stone. Either that, or the whole concept is bogus (must be all or none!)

To state that each level of reality is a "reflection" of the one above is to assume they are separate sources of light. If all is unity there would be no separation and no "physicality" to need literal anything. i.e. a stone.

We produce the urine in the first place. Are we not source?

If you cannot have one without the other (physicality and spirituality), then the stone is within both. A stone cannot exist physically if it does not exist spiritually.

So if we are source and we are physical, you are saying that there must be a physical stone. Are we not also represented in the spiritually reflected levels in which there is no stone? We are unified with these levels as well. This is what unity means after all.

The word "reflection" implies that there is only one source.

Of course the Stone must exist spiritually as well as physically, is that not exactly what I said?

Though that doesn't make the spiritual interpreters right... because if they don't understand that it must be physical then (even though it would also be spiritual) they are showing themselves not to understand one of the fundamental concepts of the Stone, and therefore showing their opinions on it to already be based on misunderstanding.

There is no level in which there is no Stone, until the dream is escaped entirely and you are somewhere with an entirely different set of rules. If you read the book you would understand that the Stone is simply a concentrated form of the lowest level building block of anything, and so there is no concept of it not existing within this universe (else there would be no universe.)

Who has made this Stone? How are the cauldrons coming? Who has a retort? Is this total BS?

How does the author know the formula works when he hasn't even finished the stone himself. Also, he said he got the formula by studying writings and stuff. I want proof before I start cooking my urine and spending 1000 dollars, it could be a hoax.

Look at this too lol www.whitepowdergold.com...

Do we have actual proof that his substance is following his predictions, besides they are not exactly his predictions, they are predictions from other sources like some guy saying in his book or something how it will turn black here and make sure it doesn't turn this color before that color.. Sure there is a good process, but he doesn't provide any actual proof that it works.. which is what I am all about.

Can anyone who actually studied the book tell me how long the author has left, I believe he is a little past the black stage.. so if he does it in a few months and shows everyone, then I'd get on the bandwagon.

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I'd be very careful with this bandwagon. There are three potential outcomes, two really, really bite.

1) It's BS (my fav) and a looooooooooooooong waste of time and money
2) It's real - and the experiment runs away from you
3) It's real - now what?

Re: #2, see the Philadelphia Project and The Nazi Bell and these scientific experiments were performed by hordes of advanced scientists. Any advanced scientists in this thread?

Not only are there no advanced scientists, or plain ole scientists, there isn't one report from anyone anywhere that has any credence whatsoever that they have achieved the Rubredo stage.

So save your piss, Toad, it's an empty albeit potentially dangerous well.