Alchemy and The Philosopher's Stone is Real

"By burning anything to ashes you may gain its salt. If in this dissolution the sulphur and mercury be kept apart, and restored to its salt, you may once more obtain that form which was destroyed by the process of combustion. This assertion the wise of this world denounce as the greatest folly, and count as a rebellion, saying that such a transformation would amount to a new creation, and that God has denied such creative power to sinful man. But the folly is all on their side. For they do not understand that our Artist does not claim to create anything, but only to evolve new things from the seed made ready to his hand by the Creator.

If you do not possess the ashes, you will be unable to obtain our salt; and without our salt you will not be able to impart to our substance a bodily form; for the coagulation of all things is produced by salt alone.

As salt is the great preserving principle that protects all things from decay, so the Salt of our Magistery preserves metal from decomposition and utter annihilation. If their Balm were to perish, and the Spirit to leave the body, the body would be quite dead, and no longer available for any good purpose. The metallic spirit would have departed, and would have left its habitation empty, bare, and lifeless.

Observe also, thou who art a lover of this Art, that the salt that is gained from ashes has great potency, and possesses many concealed virtues. Nevertheless, the salt is unprofitable, until its inward substance has been extracted. For the spirit alone gives strength and life. The body by itself profits nothing. If you know how to find this spirit, you have the Salt of the Sages, and the incombustible oil, concerning which many things have been written before my time. " - Basile Valentine (12 Keys of the Philosophy)

"It is a crystalline edifice the chemical composition of which remains unknown. Its geometric
configuration allows us to recognize only the mineralogical characteristics of saline bodies in
general. It teaches us that the mercury is a salt --- which we already knew --- and that this salt
originates in the mineral realm. Furthermore, it is what Claveus, The Cosmopolite, Limojon
de St Didier, Basil Valentine, Huginus a Barma, Batsdorff, etc., emulate, assert and repeat
when they teach us that the salt of metals is the Stone of the Philosophers." - Fulcanelli

"Therefore Limojon de Saint-Didier states a primordial truth when he affirms: "The stone of
the philosophers is born from the destruction of two bodies". We add that the philosophers’
stone --- or our mercury, its next matter --- is also born from the fight, the mortification, and
the ruin of two opposite natures. Thus in the essential operations of the art we always have
two principles producing a third one and the generation depends upon a preliminary
decomposition of its agents. Furthermore, philosophical mercury itself, sole substance of the
Magistery can never yield anything unless it dies, ferments, and putrefies at the end of the
first stage of the Work." - Fulcanelli

Sign00 claims that Fulcanelli is an Adept who undeniably has the Stone, here is what Sign00 says :
"Furthermore, know that the making of gold and silver were considered the least desirable effects of the
Stone. The effects on body and mind have always considered to be worth so much more than the money. It
is because the Stone makes gold and silver that these were used as currency throughout history, not that the
Stone makes gold and silver because they have value...If you do not yet understand how and why the Stone works, what the active principle is, then this will all sound unbelievable. But once you understand that the Stone is simply a concentrated and highly developed form of energy, which is the true nourishment of all things that grow (animals, plants, minerals, etc.), then you will not only understand how the Stone can perform such a wide range of miracles, but also be able to think up further uses." - BoA

Which is a mistake, why? How about letting Fulcanelli answer that question :

"This FRUIT is none other than the hermetic gem, the PHILOSOPHERS' STONE of the Great Work or
the Medicine of the ancient sages, also called the Absolute, Little Coal or precious Carbuncle,
the shining sun of our microcosm and the star of eternal wisdom.
It is a DOUBLE FRUIT for it is picked from the Tree of Life when specially reserved for
therapeutic uses, and from the Tree of Knowledge if the preferred use is metallic
transmutation." - Fulcanelli

"Finally, if we ferment the solid, UNIVERSAL MEDICINE with very pure gold or silver, through direct fusion, we obtain the Powder of Projection, third form of the Stone. It is a translucent mass, red or white according to the chosen metal, pulverizable, and appropriate only to metallic transmutation. Oriented, determined, and specific to the mineral realm, it is useless and without action in the other two kingdoms." - Fulcanelli

I just had a quick flick through some parts of the book, but in chapter 5, the powers of the stone, some of the things it claims to do almost sound like vampire stories...
If you were to swap the urine as an ingredient for blood (which could also be described as a liquid of life) you would basically be drinking blood for everlasting life/health/quick healing powers etc.
Dont know if anybody else has noticed this so i thought i would post to see what people make of it

I wonder how to justify this quote from Philalethe's A Short Manuduction to the Coelestial Ruby, tract quoted in BoA :

"Therefore these black and stinking Ashes, are not to be despised, since in them the Diadem of our King is contained, and I tell you in all truth, that whiteness (spirit) will never be had unless you make it black (ashes), for unless the Body putrifies it will remain without fruit, but if it be Corrupted then indeed thou shalt see them arising from thence, where it seemed they had lost their Bodies which they had, and they will appear that which they never were before. Honour you therefore the Sepulchre of our King, for unless you do this, you shall never admire him coming from the East." - Philalethe

"Therefore you must take Care that you don’t err in this first Entrance, for the Work is spoiled unless you be wary here. The common Errors in this Operation are many and various; Firstly, of them who know not what is to be Calcined, but seek the Principle of Goldmaking in Extraneous things. Some bring in for their Material Principle, those things which are not of the same Imposition with Metals, such are Borax, Alloms, Atrament, Vitriol, Arsenic, Seeds of Plants, Wine, Vinegar, Urine, Hair, Blood, Gums, and the Rosins of the Earth." -same

"I am certain, that the Philosophers, and the Artists, whom I cited, have not written a Lie. They are all of the same Sentiment concerning the Vertue which I possess: 'Tis very true that there are found some who would search in Things quite distant, for the Power and the Properties which are in me. They have workt on certain Herbs, on Animals, on Blood, on Urines, on Hair, on Sperm, and on Things of this Nature.
The aforecited Masters have Writ no Untruth, and they all agree concerning my Virtue, but there have been some, who have sought for my Virtues in other improper Things, viz. in various Herbs, Animals, Blood, Urine, Hair, Sperm, and the like, who therefore have err'd." -Limojon de St Didier

""Therefore", said Morienus, "keep these three to yourself. For though men seek this operation among all others, they will go utterly astray until sun, or fire, is compounded in a single body with earth and moon, which will not occur until God wills. But you asked me what it is that men think to be the secret of this operation of the magistery and with what they suppose the operation to be accomplished. Some thought it to be earth, or a stone, or an egg, or blood, urine, or vinegar. And they ground and assayed and extracted and dug around after all these things as their fancy took them, but erring the more, the more confident they were of finding what they sought. Now you should know that earth and stone and all those things I have named, in which men trust, are false and come to no good issue." -The Book of Morienus

Transmuting base metals into gold is only a metaphor for spiritual transformation. Nothing else.

The way to transform the physical body (one form of Prakriti among others) into a perfect divine vehicule/receptacle is hidden in plain sight. That's why nobody sees it.

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Yet some understand it in another way and ingest mercury, then of course they die from cancer.
I herd people say, mercury is good for you on this very board.

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P.S. Timewalker, The light coming out of darkness, who's latin original title is my signature since i'm here, is a tract i've read and studied a few times and is not the easiest. Quoting it, in the light of urine, besides numerous other valid ideas in theory, just shows you're at the very beginning of this quest and are credulous enough to wholly believe the first loudmouths in this field where you are far from specialized. So keep your scores, but always remember when you do so, that you may be fooling yourself.

You wanted to speak of alchemy.

I will speak clearly and to the point. This is ATS after all, nothing to hide that has not already been put out there.

First, I was not quoting in light of 'urine'. I was quoting that excerpt to emphasize that I knew where you were coming from the whole time but you seem to not want to say it for some reason, only now are you starting to, but not clearly still.

Second, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you are 'specializing' in the beyond physical instead of physical stone. After all, I did go straight to Hermeticism after certain experiences in my life led me there to, I believe, to bring to 'light' what happened to me. Some things just come to me, call it intuition. "All obscurity will be clear to you". True, I am not as well read as some of you, but the obscurity of myself became clear. On the physical stone, well still working on that one, call it a hobby.

Third, the 'grade' was on your attitude and snideness.

Fourth, I'm not as credulous as you seem to be so quick to believe.

I know of the bi-polar "One Thing". Add them together and they are the three philosophies of the whole world.

OUR - Sulfur, Mercury, Salt
OUR- Fire, Air, Water





It all started with a light.

1. I've seen the death of the old me.
2. I've seen the old me dissolve before my eyes.
3. I've flown down and retrieved what was left.
4. I conjoined the two, I'm comfortable with myself.
5. I looked above and found my balance and was completely changed.
6. I purified the ego and realized I wanted to be of service for the greater good of my brothers and sisters.
7. I was a baby.

At the beginning of my quest? The End!

I just like the books and images very much.

VITRIOL - Look inside yourself, rectify and you find the hidden stone.


So where were we?

No one is going to ingest mercury. At least not me. I started breaking open thermometers at about the age of 5 or 6 to get the mercury out of them but my folks put a stop to that till I could figure it out for myself.

Oh boy. I am not really up for this but it is necessary because no matter how much our new friend Al Rub would like you to think that he knows what's up, he doesn't; all he is doing is proving that he has a great deal of enthusiasm in his heart for Alchemy and he is swimming around with the rest of us trying to figure it out.

Trying to figure it out? Well yeah, this is a big deal and no one wants to get duped and feel stupid or silly' so I get it.

The Texts?

Do you really think these guys are going to come right out and say it plainly? What makes you think that just because some folks who have been studying for a really long time and see the arrival now of what they have been waiting for and agree upon it, that all of a sudden these texts are just going to open themselves up to you?
Yes, you and you and you and even me?

Waiting for? Yeah, waiting for. There have been very distinct periods in history when Alchemists were running all over the place doing public transmutations and publishing. Did you think those times would not come again? I knew they would. And what makes you think that even if the medieval texts were very clear that you would even be able to understand them? I have had to study deeply in to medieval history, pouring for hours over Bruegel and Bosch prints and crap like that, just to understand the era well enough not to miss what the writers were trying to say. But now that Sign00 has released this information you think that it should come with all the experience you need for these books to suddenly start to speak to you like an audiobook.

The operative word being information. It is good information and you can put it to work if you follow the instructions but that is all it will ever be to you until you begin to gain experience, all it will be is information.

Not knowledge.

Get my drift? Maybe that is why it is easy for the superficial to discount this? They have only been provided with information and not a tool with which to compound their knowledge.

You need to at least know when your leg is being flat out pulled....

For this reason, that Sage might well exclaim, "O water of a harsh and bitter taste!" For, in truth, the spring is difficult to find; but he who knows it may reach it easily, without any expense, labour, or trouble.

The Glory of the World, Or, Table of Paradise, by Anonymous, 1526 AD

The guy is almost being silly here and this must be an inside joke to get the cronies dying of laughter. He gives the impression that you need to set out on some kind of physical search while at the same time alluding to the fact that the sages don't even need to expend a single calorie to get to it. May reach it easily. C'mon yous guys!

I will leave it at that with that one.

Next we have this...

For the Stone is prepared out of nothing in the whole world, except this substance, which is essentially one. He who is unacquainted therewith can never attain the Art. It is that one thing which is not dug up from mines, or from the caverns of the earth, like gold, silver, sulphur, salt, &c., but is found in the form which God originally imparted to it.

The substance is one. Why is that significant? Because in the Plant Kingdom where most 'alchemists' (they are actually spagyricists, I know, I is one) work the substance is never one, it is many before being reassembled as one. But for the Work that Sign00 avails us of the substance is singular and ONE thing.

Does urine's salt come from the ashes of a previously calcinated mineral body?

Yes, it does, you guys keep saying that you are reading the BoA but I don't know how you missed that

"keep these three to yourself. For though men seek this operation among all others, they will go utterly astray until sun, or fire, is compounded in a single body with earth and moon, which will not occur until God wills.

Imagine you have a handful of damp soil, which you put into a closed system in which there is sun and then rain, as there is on Earth. Every day there is sunshine (yang) which evaporates off the water, which then condenses at night (yin) and rains back down onto the soil. What will happen? Well the first and most obvious effect is that the soil will arrange itself in layers with the lightest particles at the top, and the heaviest at the bottom.

We have gravity to thank for this of course. The hot air and water vapor will rise, and with it the lightest of the particles, which attach themselves to the water. The lighter the particle is, the easier it attaches itself to the water, and the further the water will lift it while evaporating.
bookofaquarius.forgottenbooks.org...

Back for more later. I have run out my text limit.

"O water of a harsh and bitter taste!" For, in truth, the spring is difficult to find...

What does one have to do with the other? This is probably the single most elegantly hilarious coded line I have ever read from an Alchemy book.

It should be put on a brass plaque somewhere.

The following passage from the Upanishads might interest some of you:

I enumerate in the reverse order (the elements of) the wheel consisting of the nine selves. The first wheel enchants the three worlds; has the eight powers such as the power to assume the atomic size etc.; has the eight mothers; has the decade beginning with the All-agitating force; etc.; is manifest, is occupied by Tripura (the three worlds), and is characterized by the mystic mark of the All-agitating force.

The second wheel fulfils all expectations, is conjoined with the sixteen attractive powers beginning with sakama. It is well protected, occupied by the sovereign Tripura, and is characterized by the mystic mark of the All-scattering force.

The third wheel agitates all and is adorned with the eight flowers of Cupid. It is better secured, occupied by the beautiful Tripura, and characterized by the mystic mark of the All-fascinating force.

The fourth wheel grants excellence to all; has fourteen forces like the All-agitating force; is associated with a tradition; is occupied by the Dweller in the three cities, and is marked by the mystic mark of the All-subduing force.

The fifth wheel, beyond the fourth, accomplishes all ends; has the ten forces such as the power to yield all perfections; has the fullness of the Kaula; is occupied by Mahalakshmi who is Tripura, and is marked by the mystic mark of the greatly exciting force.

The sixth wheel protects all; has ten traits such as omniscience; is devoid of interspaces; is occupied by the garlanded Tripura; and has the mark of the great goad.

The seventh wheel cures all diseases; has eight forces such as the force to subdue; has its mysteries; and bears the mystic mark of the khechari.

The eighth wheel grants all perfections; is characterized by four weapons, and the mysteries, higher and lower. It is occupied by the mother, Tripura, and has the mystic mark of the seed.

The ninth master-wheel is replete with all delight and is associated with the triad such as Kameshvari. It is exceedingly mysterious, occupied by the great Tripura, the beautiful, and has the mystic mark of the triangle.

...The gods said to the blessed Lord: We would like to make the mystic marks with our own body. The blessed Lord told them: Seated in the lotus posture with the region of the knees touching the earth, make the mystic marks.

He who knows the mystic mark of the triangle attracts all; he knows all; enjoys all fruits; he breaks up all and immobilizes the foe...

Just some things on urine. Of course there are no 'proven' scientific value, keyword value. I mean who would put out there that a free source was available. There's no money in it.

In alternative medicine, the term urine therapy (also urotherapy, urinotherapy or uropathy) refers to various applications of human urine for medicinal or cosmetic purposes, including drinking of one's own urine and massaging one's skin with one's own urine. While there are no known scientifically proven health benefits of such therapeutic use for urine,

In Roman times, there was a tradition among the Gauls to use urine to whiten teeth. A famous poem by the Roman poet Catullus, criticizing a Gaul named Egnatius, reads:

A religious Sanskrit text called the Damar Tantra contains 107 stanzas on the benefits of "pure water, or one's own urine".[9] In this text, urine therapy is referred to as Shivambu Kalpa.[9] This ancient Indian text suggests, among other uses and prescriptions, massaging one's skin with fresh, concentrated urine. In the Indian ayurvedic tradition, urine therapy may be called amaroli,"gudmarani".

Although it is recorded in the Bukhari that Prophet Muhammad advocated drinking camel urine as a medicine to his followers, and did not describe it as dirty or demeaning, later commentators find urine to be something that is "filth in an extreme degree" without denouncing its alleged medicinal properties.

In China, the urine of young boys has been regarded as a curative. In southern China, babies' faces are washed with urine to protect the skin.[2] The French customarily soaked stockings in urine and wrapped them around their necks in order to cure strep throat.[2] Aristocratic French women in the 17th century reportedly bathed in urine to beautify their skin. In Sierra Madre, Mexico, farmers prepare poultices for broken bones by having a child urinate into a bowl of powdered charred corn. The mixture is made into a paste and applied to the skin.[17] As in ancient Rome, urine was used for teeth-whitening during the Renaissance, though they did not necessarily consume their own urine.

Urine and urea have been claimed by some practitioners to have an anti-cancer effect. However, the American Cancer Society's position is that scientific evidence does not support individual claims that urine or urea given in any form is helpful for cancer patients, and that the safety of urine therapy has not been confirmed by scientific studies

In 1978, the former Prime Minister of India, Morarji Desai, a longtime practitioner of urine therapy, spoke to Dan Rather on 60 Minutes about urine therapy. Desai stated that urine therapy was the perfect medical solution for the millions of Indians who cannot afford medical treatment.

Madonna explained to talk show host David Letterman that she urinates on her own feet to help cure her athlete's foot problem.[29]

Mixed martial arts fighter Lyoto Machida revealed in an interview that he drinks his own urine.[30] His father, Yoshizo Machida, admitted he got Lyoto to start doing that after he couldn't get rid of his cough three years ago.[31] MMA fighter Luke Cummo has been a long-time advocate of the practice.

Drinking one's morning urine ('amaroli') was an ancient yoga practise designed to promote meditation. The ancient Hindu and yoga texts that mention auto-urine drinking, require it be done before sunrise and that only the mid-stream sample be used.[34] The pineal hormone melatonin and its conjugated esters are present in morning urine in significant quantities, the pineal gland secreting melatonin maximally at about 2 am, this secretion being shut off by the eyes' exposure to bright sunlight.

Wiki

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Heya,

I did not want you to think that no one noticed your post. Did you want to talk about it?

Are you interested in Theosophy? Historically the folks that started to connect yoga and the tripura tapini Upanishad (which you quoted) to things like Alchemy were from Theosophical society, that's why I ask.

Do you feel that the chakras have a connection to Alchemy or things that you have read from theoretical and spiritual alchemy? I ask because, if you are interested, I spent a lot of time in my 20s trying to apply the lexicons of Yoga and Qigong to Alchemical texts in the hopes of deciphering them. So I have been there too.

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I've never been interested by theosophy and i'm happy to learn that a group of people are interested by the said Upanishad.

By reading the book of aquarius, I've made a direct correlation with hand mudras (the ones from the Tripura Tapini Upanishad and other particular ones). Hand mudras can transform every constituents of Prakriti (not only the physical field) into gold, metaphorically speaking, and even give you siddhis.

Concerning chakras, after more than 20 years of yoga, I can assert that the "study" of these symbols isn't needed at all.

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Concerning chakras, after more than 20 years of yoga, I can assert that the "study" of these symbols isn't needed at all.

Well, you don't hear that very often. I agree with you. The idea of Siddhis (yogically attained mental, spiritual and physical powers) is interesting . So do you think that certain types of yogis were doing the same thing that the Alchemists were trying to do?

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Somewhere in time, some highly alienated people converted an immemorial knowledge into a nonsensical external alchemy. This is how i see it.

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Somewhere in time, some highly alienated people converted an immemorial knowledge into a nonsensical external alchemy. This is how i see it.

You may be right. Best of luck to you in your search.

I just want to add that gold has no move value than wood, sand or feces.

When you evaporate urine, you get Phosphorus.

Put the phosphorus in a decanter (not sure it s the right word, basically a glass bottle bulky and round at the base, slim tube on top), mix it with sand then heat it you will get a nice glowing lightbulb.

This was how Phosphorus was discovered by Hennig Brand. The name phosphorus comes therefore from the greek word for "light-bearer" aka "Lucifer".

Phosphorus plays a vital role in DNA and makes a great fertilizer.

So, to cut the making of the Stone shorter. It should be possible to start with Phosphorus ?

What do you think ?


And here's a link to a 2min video from BBC, which shows the glowing Phosporus, made out of urine.
www.youtube.com...
(Was actually linked before in this thread, but I did not see the relation to Phosporus.)

I did actually try to make the Stone with red phosphorus many years ago, thinking that it might be related... but it didn't work. I'm sure now that it is not phosphorus.

Nice thread but he says this in the Q&A towards the end of the Book:

Question: In the book you said you hadn't actually finished the work, yet the level of detail with regards to the finished product was seemingly precise.

Answer: Yes, I have read hundreds and hundreds of alchemical texts. They each give a little clue. Put them all together and it's already overkill. I haven't seen it performed by anyone else. But I have got this far on my own and I know it will work because it follows the laws of Nature. If it did not work then we live in a universe where actions do not lead to consequences.

Source: Chp 55.

So he hasn't actually finished. This puts into question the validity of his entire argument. Not only that, but hes never seen it done, has no teachers, its entirely his idea.

Furthermore he states things like This:

...And the Rosicrucians have disappeared.

Source: Chp. 45

Yet I know as a matter of personal fact that the RC have not disappeared.

Finally there are reported instances, no more or less valid than claims made by Alchemists, of sages in the far East achieving immortality who never once went near a retort and who reportedly lived hundreds of years. So, something is awry with his theory it seems.

I have a different interpretation of Alchemy though.

Hi Seventhdoor,

I didn't hide the fact that I have not yet finished the Stone, it is stated cleared at the top of the Afterword, and this has also been mentioned many times in this thread. At no point have I attempted to imply otherwise.

Yet I know as a matter of personal fact that the RC have not disappeared.

Again, this is written clearly in the book... although there are societies which exist today which associate themselves with the Rosicrucians, they are not related. The original Rosicrucians possessed the Stone, whereas societies of the same name today know very little (real) info about it.

Finally there are reported instances, no more or less valid than claims made by Alchemists, of sages in the far East achieving immortality who never once went near a retort and who reportedly lived hundreds of years. So, something is awry with his theory it seems.

Yes, and for the same reason. If you read the book fully you will see the quotes from Taoist alchemists who state that the Stone gives the same effect as does the spiritual path, only much quicker and surer.