Victory in Britain!! Prime Minister says multiculturalism has failed

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reply to post by gladtobehere

Posted by glowsticks
this is the point

you are taking it out of context

Cameron is saying YES have your FREEDOM of speech muslims, YES enjoy your religion comfortably in the UK muslims, but if your want to live in the UK then you MUST abide and respect OUR values and other religions as should ANYONE who wants to live in the UK. You must respect OUR freedom muslims and OUR way of life.

What I quoted was in context and an accurate example of doublespeak and or doublethink. This politician spoke about freedom from the one side of his mouth then spoke about enforcing conformity with the other and your "explanation" was almost identical. Citing "freedom" and then defining "freedom" as a specific way to behave and think.

"Youre "free" to do what you want as long as you think, act, speak, dress, behave and pray as we do"...


So what hes really saying is that Muslims must conform to the British way of life. That anyone living in the UK is "free" so long as they are doing exactly as everyone else is doing...

I think what we're missing here are specific documented examples of how Muslims wanting to practice Islam in the UK is affecting "YOUR" freedoms or "YOUR" values.

Posted by glowsticks
And if the UK has invaded other countries and colonized - don't you think its slight blase to say "thats rich"? for something that was done in a British Empire era that is gone? America wouldn't be as it is today if we hadn't...

Do I think its "blase" to say thats "rich"? No. I think its incredibly hypocritical and laughable for a politician from the UK to criticize legal immigrants in a country whos history is rooted in invading, occupying and colonizing parts of almost every continent by force. To this day, armed British military occupy foreign nations.

So in your mind the ends justify the means. Which other atrocities in history are you prepared to defend? How about the Holocaust because it allowed the creation of izrael? How about slavery because Black people now have opportunities that they wouldnt have if they were still in Africa. If it wasnt for WW2, we may never have discovered nuclear energy. Did I miss any?

I expect nothing less from a nation which leads the World in the surveillance of its citizens. I suppose being watched by some 4.2 million cameras would also exemplify British ideas of "freedom".

Abdul Salaam supports the EDL even though he says he is a Muslim

Abdul Salaam is not exactly the kind of person the English Defence League expected to recruit. But there he was, a Muslim willing to stand in the middle of a crowd chanting "Muslim Bombers off our Streets".

www.bbc.co.uk...

LMAO and this proves what ?
EVERY sane person is "anti" bomber ! How silly .

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I am a member of the EDL, i studied Diplomas at College, i work in the Health Service.

Your just branding people on appearance, just because someone wears sport clothing doesnt make them a "Football hooligan"

Whos being the fascist one now? Judging people on apperance.

Originally posted by Doomzilla
LMAO and this proves what ?
EVERY sane person is "anti" bomber ! How silly .

Good!!! Thats the message which needs to be spread.

NOONE is against Muslims as a whole, can't you get that into that skull of yours?

We are against Muslim EXTREMEISTS.

The ones who blow themselves up, the ones who kill there daughters, the ones who dont live under british law, the ones who travel to terrorist camps in Afghanistan.

You know? Surely your not defending these people?

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We Forced immigrants to come to these shores as our slaves ,now do they of their own free will its a scandal to some .

Originally posted by Haydn_17

Originally posted by Doomzilla
LMAO and this proves what ?
EVERY sane person is "anti" bomber ! How silly .

Good!!! Thats the message which needs to be spread.

NOONE is against Muslims as a whole, can't you get that into that skull of yours?

We are against Muslim EXTREMEISTS.

The ones who blow themselves up, the ones who kill there daughters, the ones who dont live under british law, the ones who travel to terrorist camps in Afghanistan.






I repeat any sane person does not defend such violence , however i dont believe every muslim is a threat . The UK media are guilty of provocking unecessary racial tension imo .

thank god at bloody last,glad hes got the balls to admit this where other loonies did not...agreed HA HA TO you all that disagreed. I no from experience it doesnt work i live in the midlands where immigration is everywhere and i can honestly say they stick to there own areas..theres even a mosque a stones throw away from me, the amount of times ive been kept awake by about 2-300 people singing n banging drums till am,and ive even been spat at by muslims..its getting scary big atmosphere

Originally posted by Doomzilla

Originally posted by Haydn_17

Originally posted by Doomzilla
LMAO and this proves what ?
EVERY sane person is "anti" bomber ! How silly .

Good!!! Thats the message which needs to be spread.

NOONE is against Muslims as a whole, can't you get that into that skull of yours?

We are against Muslim EXTREMEISTS.

The ones who blow themselves up, the ones who kill there daughters, the ones who dont live under british law, the ones who travel to terrorist camps in Afghanistan.



I repeat any sane person does not defend such violence , however i dont believe every muslim is a threat . The UK media are guilty of provocking unecessary racial tension imo .

Yes the media are very prone to making a story BUT whether you like it or not there are huge numbers of folk growing daily who's aim to to change our status. Non one with a right mind are blaming every Muslim, if you are then you are trying to say my 74 year old Muslim mother in law is a trouble maker, and I can asure you she's not, many Muslim folk actually came here to escape all that nonsense and those that came here ealier did so to build a better life and are part of the backbone that built Britain.

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Originally posted by Pr0t0
reply to post by ollncasino

 

How are 'the public' behind them.

Am I no longer a member of the British public? Most of my friends are not behind them.

The majority of EDL members that I have met, and that's a fair few, are nothing more than thugs and hooligans who drink on the protest marches and chant racist slogans, with their favourite slogan being 'go home'!

As far as I can tell all the EDL promote is racism, aggression and binge drinking. But hey, that's all the best of British isn't it?

How can you support something that most of the people involved know nothing about? It's just a mob mentality and a reason to have a pi$$ up and brawl now that football stadiums are better policed.

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EDL are simply people protesting at the Islamic colonisation of the UK - the marxists that have a stranglehold on the media do their best to in their usual way to criminalise all dissenting opinion by smearing them as thugs, racists etc.

As it is, the only institution in the UK not controlled by the PC mafia are the football clubs - for yrs anyone with a profession, business, career who can be publicly identified as a supporter of BNP (a perfectly legal party) has been targetted in the media, or at the local level and hounded from their job or driven out of business or simply attacked by muslims.

As intended of course this has intimidated most people from speaking out - and is why public support tends to be restricted to those who have nothing to lose and don't give a #!

I can tell you that the vast majority of British people are fed up to the back teeth with muslims and want them out!

I am a member of the EDL, i studied Diplomas at College, i work in the Health Service.

Your just branding people on appearance, just because someone wears sport clothing doesnt make them a "Football hooligan"

I think a lot of public school educated people are simply scared of any working class movement that they can neither understand nor control.

As the head of the EDL said on Sky TV, he has to live beside Islamic extremists.

Sadly, the public school boy elite that makes up so much of our media, don't.

Originally posted by davesmart
thank god at bloody last,glad hes got the balls to admit this where other loonies did not...agreed HA HA TO you all that disagreed. I no from experience it doesnt work i live in the midlands where immigration is everywhere and i can honestly say they stick to there own areas..theres even a mosque a stones throw away from me, the amount of times ive been kept awake by about 2-300 people singing n banging drums till am,and ive even been spat at by muslims..its getting scary big atmosphere

Eek..

This sort of shows the good and bad of the issue...(nice choice of words Dave Stones throw )

The Bad...

"they keep to their area's"

We in this country should NOT have someone's area's, we already have gangs, drug area's and now religious area's. These should simply NOT exist in a supposed intelligent society, these places should have been sanitised for all folk to venture to a long time ago.

The good

"all the noise"

A point that more than ever says how down trodden our own government would allow us to be, allowing Mosques to loud speaker the call to prayers at all times, allowing events to long over run the normal noise pollution law times, all with the full backing of the law.

Its absurd....Wembley playing a concert is shut down at a certain time of face fines and closure, Wembley Mosque can scream the call to prayer al day all night and no one can say a word...

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Haydn_17

 

So, Britain will join Germany in embracing fascism once again?

This rejection of multi-culturalism will eventually lead to a fascist state. What exactly are "British values"?

Rubbish!!

We are already on the way to becoming a fascist state - an Islamic and Sharia fascist state. That's what we are discussing here.

Face the facts! Come here and see what is happening in our country. Then comment..

The majority of liberal and fair minded British people are fine with multiculturalism and welcome outsiders. As with the minority white supremacists we have here, the minority hardline Islamists are ruining it. For EVERYONE.

British values are fair play, decency, respect, politeness, opportunity, freedom of speech and respect to others. Granted, we don't always get these right, but then, who does?

Originally posted by ollncasino


Sadly, the public school boy elite that makes up so much of our media, don't.

Sadly as I've come across a lot of people this becomes very true.

I've seen rather daft excuses to allow what's going on from "but we traded in slaves" JESUS to "we invaded their countries" JESUS...

I'm sorry but whatever happened in the past should not be used to beat the present people who have little understanding of what went on in those times. Its an invalid and rather ponced up argument used to try and demean the ordinary person.

www.youtube.com...

A documentary by Iraqi-Norwegian communist Walid Al-Koubaisi

He interviews a lot of influential figures including the leaders of the muslim brotherhood (Ikhwan) in Egypt, Hasan Al-Banna's brother, Tariq Hajjgy, as well as various Arab Islamists, clerics, moderate reformers, leftists, and secularists.

Its in Norwegian with English subtitles and its worth the effort to watch

Al-Kubaisi was born in Baghdad, Iraq. He migrated from the country to Norway as a political refugee in 1981 due to war. He regards himself to be a "secular Muslim".

According to him, the hijab is a political uniform for the militant Islamist movement. He says that if Islamists are successful in making the hijab synonymous with Islam, the Islamists will have achieved a victory in the West which they have not been able to accomplish in Muslim countries.

He believe that the Muslim Brotherhood is the "mother organization" for the world's Islamist political ideology. He says that the Muslim Brotherhood has a plan to conquer Europe by the hijab, high birth rates and democracy; Islamists are exploiting Western democracy to reach their own anti-democratic goals.

We may have to start long bow practice again people. If camaron gets his way we will probs be at war with the muslims on our streets before his 5 years are up. In all serious though, I think there is something behind this, maybe the govt are worried about whats happening in egypt, and wants to get some laws in palce to stop muslims taking over here.

Originally posted by the.lights

The majority of liberal and fair minded British people are fine with multiculturalism and welcome outsiders. As with the minority white supremacists we have here, the minority hardline Islamists are ruining it. For EVERYONE.

British values are fair play, decency, respect, politeness, opportunity, freedom of speech and respect to others. Granted, we don't always get these right, but then, who does?

Whilst I agree to an extent I think what people are saying is that an extraordinary amount of privilege is being given to these hard liners by the government in a useless attempt to appease them .

This has worried many people into how far down the line we will support an opposing force on our own shores no matter the size.

Originally posted by racasan

According to him, the hijab is a political uniform for the militant Islamist movement. He says that if Islamists are successful in making the hijab synonymous with Islam, the Islamists will have achieved a victory in the West which they have not been able to accomplish in Muslim countries.

He believe that the Muslim Brotherhood is the "mother organization" for the world's Islamist political ideology. He says that the Muslim Brotherhood has a plan to conquer Europe by the hijab, high birth rates and democracy; Islamists are exploiting Western democracy to reach their own anti-democratic goals.

Yes I'd agree that the full hijab is indeed the poster person image for the extremists, its a point of fact about their control and how men can make the religion shift in their favour by creating new rules. The hijab is a foul creation, there to show both control and invoke fear.

I'm not that up on the Muslim Brotherhood but what he is saying actually is something I brought up in a post in this thread, specifically detail the ability given to the extreme to be able to lie as part of getting their goals and then inflicting the complete opposite.

They use our own ideals against us to then remove them......

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Originally posted by the.lights

The majority of liberal and fair minded British people are fine with multiculturalism and welcome outsiders. As with the minority white supremacists we have here, the minority hardline Islamists are ruining it. For EVERYONE.

British values are fair play, decency, respect, politeness, opportunity, freedom of speech and respect to others. Granted, we don't always get these right, but then, who does?

Whilst I agree to an extent I think what people are saying is that an extraordinary amount of privilege is being given to these hard liners by the government in a useless attempt to appease them .

This has worried many people into how far down the line we will support an opposing force on our own shores no matter the size.

Absolutely!! Here, here. I couldn't agree more!!

They have been appeased. I remember back in the 90s in the news where they allowed them to set up the Muslim Council and thinking at the time 'What makes them so special that they have to have their own council outside of British law and governance?'

Where are the seperate councils for Chinese, Jamaicans, Polish, Sikh, Buddhist, etc, etc? Nowhere! Because they don't have an agenda and come here to integrate and live peacefully.

Give them an inch and they will take a mile...

Originally posted by the.lights

Absolutely!! Here, here. I couldn't agree more!!

They have been appeased. I remember back in the 90s in the news where they allowed them to set up the Muslim Council and thinking at the time 'What makes them so special that they have to have their own council outside of British law and governance?'

Where are the seperate councils for Chinese, Jamaicans, Polish, Sikh, Buddhist, etc, etc? Nowhere! Because they don't have aan genda and come here to integrate and live peacefully.

I have to say its very unnerving.

I came here from Northern Ireland when I was 8, we left in the middle of the night after may parents of opposing religions were threatened with death and they came to our house to extract that threat.

What was different for me is that I'd only ever know other Irish people, I'd never seen a Black or Chinese person in my life apart from on B/W tv, the point being I wasn't raised with the racial overtones I saw when I came here, when I first met a black person I just saw another person who looked different to me but hey, he was laughing and wanted to be my mate.


Bingo...That's how I've lived my life ever since....

That was until I saw this strange preference shown only to so called strict Muslims, suddenly I saw special allowances and rules created totally for them, nothing like this (as you say) was done for any other race creed or colour coming here.

I sat as a young man trying to grasp at why we were doing this and how it was creating outrage all around and we seemed to carry on giving more and more freedom to someone who openly opposed all of us.

Utterly stupid and a walking disaster that will happen...