Victory in Britain!! Prime Minister says multiculturalism has failed

reply to post by Haydn_17

Cameron said it was time to replace Britain's "passive tolerance" with an "active, muscular liberalism" to send a message that life in Britain revolves around certain key values such as freedom of speech, equal rights and the rule of law.

"A passively tolerant society ... stands neutral between different values,"

"A genuinely liberal country does much more. It believes in certain values and actively promotes them."

uk.reuters.com...

Who can argue with that, except the people who want to destroy Western liberalism and replace it with Sharia law?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Peloquin
But that's what the West already did in Iraq, didn't we?

Reading your last words and thinking about Iraq and all the other countries the west "helped", I have to think about: "Give a man some wood, and he'll have warm for a day. Set him on fire, and he'll have warm for the rest of his life..."

(I'm sorry

)

I hope you were being sarcastic but in case you were not, we accomplished didley squat and actually made things worse than before. Ok I can see sending saddams army back to iraq in the first gulf war, but instead of leaving him there to buffer the middle east from iran and saudia arabia, we ousted him. Terrible strategy...iran should have been the target!

Of course I was being sarcastic!!! I just wanted to make clear the bitter irony, that the reason why there are so many people migrating is in fact that, that the western countries forced them to do it by ruining their homelands trough war or economic devastation.

It's obvious, why the western culture is so hated, because of it's bigotry (if you doubt it, just look at the long time very shortspoken enthusiasm of our leaders in the face of the egyptian rise of democracy), and it's arrogance.

The "western values" are a terrible joke, because, as I already said - for most of them upholding these "western values" there is just one value, and that is MONEY!

Look what the great George Carlin had to say about the "american dream" (and don't we europeans also believe in this dream?):

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Pr0t0
and sod off.

what is sod off ?

is that some liberal political radical racial slur or bigotry ?

I am getting sleepy however, if that's what it means

reply to post by Pr0t0

Notice how he does not mention British Sikhs, Hindu's, Jews, Buddhists or any of the multitude of Christian sects? Why do you think this is?

Because they have all integrated very well and don't expect to be treated differently, with allowances made for them at every turn and an expectation that all other citizens will have some of their rights and freedoms removed in order to accommodate them!

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by Pr0t0
and sod off.

what is sod off ?

is that some liberal political radical racial slur or bigotry ?

I am getting sleepy however, if that's what it means

It means 'go away' and take your pigeon holing political labels elsewhere.

You're clearly not interested in the topic.

David Cameron has tried to manipulate the British public with hyperbole intended to divide citizens based on religion and creed in order to divert from the issues concerning the socio-economic failure and the capitalistic slaying of democratic Britain.

Just as you have tried to manipulate the notions brought forth by genuinely concerned parties in this thread.

Now, in all seriousness, sod off.

reply to post by Peloquin

Thanks, and it's "sir"

This is how tyrants operate - you create a problem and then you create a solution which affects and inhibits everyone, not just the source of the problem. I'm not going to pretend that radical Islam doesn't exist - it does, but the threat that it is capable of posing to free society, unaided by anyone, is minimal. Islamism has only become a threat because Western governments have secretly helped it to become one, or are quite simply helping to exaggerate that threat.

I've maintained in other threads that the NWO intend for Muslims to be 'the Jews' of a new holocaust. Such barabaric events in history prove extremely beneficial to tyrants - you just have to look at how free-speech has diminished since the Jewish holocaust. It was an infintely tragic event but you have to look at the operatives behind it and the way that such history has been manipulated to silence dissenters.

Originally posted by Cythraul
It's a shame I always come across these threads so late - I have so much to say and share on the subject...

This declaration of Cameron's is a Trojan Horse I'm afraid. When he talks about "groups that fail to promote British values" he is not just talking about Islam, he's talking about patriotic groups, truthers, Euro-sceptics and civil disobedients - people who are fighting the fraudulent tax system, and standing up for our fast-fading liberties.

Yes, he is addressing militant Islam, but he's also addressing anyone who refuses to adhere to the government's vision of Britain, who wants out of the EU and who, basically, thinks that David Cameron is a despicable tyrant. He's clamping down on the entire spectrum of social expression and that clamp bears down from two sides - on one side it will (rightly) inhibit the expression of immigrants who act like colonisers, but on the other it will inhibit native and foreign born people who are fighting for truth, transparency and liberty like their forefathers knew.

This speech fills me with foreboding I'm afraid... and I dislike the Islamic religion, by the way - I should be elated (Cameron would like me to be) - Go figure!

Cythraul, even if you had made this point early on in the thread it would (as were other similar posts) have been lost in the frenzy of purely emotive responses to Cameron's words.

It seems the tactic has worked. If you can manipulate people's emotions successfully you can stifle any critical thinking they might normally engage in. People are all too eager to support Cameron's clampdown without considering what this could mean for everyone. The 'Divide and conquer' and 'problem, reaction, solution' tactics never seem to fail.

Who would have thought we would have 'faith' schools in the UK in the 21st century. Prior to nulabour and Blair the banana we were discussing having all our schools non-denominational with an eye on the Catholic school system.

Why would anybody with a brain think that encouraging children to attend school where all fellow pupils are from the same background would not encourage segregation in society? It has been a policy of 'divide and conquer' no doubt.

Tolerance is probably the british value I am most proud of but a lot of nations see that as weakness...in some instances it has been. Like when we accepted forced marriage as being part of a culture and wouldn't interfere to protect the victims. What about all the young men and women who came here hoping to leave that kind of control far behind? They came here and had to face more of the same.

I am all for cosmopolitan, multi-racial society but I want it to be a society with an understanding that some of the practices regarded as cultural norms from country of origin are not acceptable here. I also want to see religion out of the equation in politics and education.

Cameron is just trying to look good, nothing will happen, thatcher said similar i believe, and blair and brown! and look where that got us.....

Stop being fooled by the political elite! They lie to get your vote.

I hope however i can be corrected and Cameron does do something proper about these issues, but i can't see it!

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by Pr0t0

 

Notice how he does not mention British Sikhs, Hindu's, Jews, Buddhists or any of the multitude of Christian sects? Why do you think this is?

Because they have all integrated very well and don't expect to be treated differently, with allowances made for them at every turn and an expectation that all other citizens will have some of their rights and freedoms removed in order to accommodate them!

Not true. Jewish communities, for example in Salford, Manchester, are among the least integrated communities in the country and cause significant disruption. They demand tax breaks unavailable to the rest of us due to religious 'rights' and have driven many British businesses, in this area, out in favour of expanding their own grasp on the area.

As for Christianity, just look at Protestant and Catholic segregation in Northern Ireland. Yes, that's Britain too.... whether you like it or not; and most do not so you would assume he would make mention of the support of radicals of these religions who have been involved in more terrorist bombings in Britain than any other 'faction'.

reply to post by gladtobehere


this is the point

you are taking it out of context

Cameron is saying YES have your FREEDOM of speech muslims, YES enjoy your religion comfortably in the UK muslims, but if your want to live in the UK then you MUST abide and respect OUR values and other religions as should ANYONE who wants to live in the UK. You must respect OUR freedom muslims and OUR way of life.


And if the UK has invaded other countries and colonized - don't you think its slight blase to say "thats rich"? for something that was done in a British Empire era that is gone? America wouldn't be as it is today if we hadn't...

Originally posted by aorAki
What are 'British Values' anyway?

Are they such things as colonising countries and making the native inhabitants second class citizens, and then shafting the colonials who fought wars under your flag and were conveniently necessary until they weren't?
Is it taking part in illegal wars, spying on people and producing arms and armaments?
Is it a stiff upper lip with no sex drive?
Is it maintaining a constructed class system to stop the masses from getting ahead while teaching subservience to the powerful and greedy?

Stop picking on the British for God's sake!!

The Spanish invaded south america, the French invaded canada, the Romans invaded Britain, the norweigians invaded britain, the french invaded britain, britain invaded france, russia invaded lithuania, the moors invaded spain, AMERICA INVADED IRAQ.

Get off your high horse for gods sake.

Quick question: What does being 'British' actually mean?

Also, what are 'British values'? Not blowing up innocent people? Having a bacon sarnie instead of a croissant for breakfast? Acknowledging the Queen as head of state? Buying commemorative plates of Prince William and his missus? Binge drinking? Having all the albums of James Blunt and Coldplay?

Mr Cameron should've defined what 'British' is before he ranted about multiculturism. That said, it makes a nice change of pace from the usual "CUT EVERYTHING! IT'S ALL OF LABOUR'S FAULT! DON'T BLAME US!" spiels they come up with.

Originally posted by MacDonagh
Quick question: What does being 'British' actually mean?

Also, what are 'British values'? Not blowing up innocent people? Having a bacon sarnie instead of a croissant for breakfast? Acknowledging the Queen as head of state? Buying commemorative plates of Prince William and his missus? Binge drinking? Having all the albums of James Blunt and Coldplay?

Mr Cameron should've defined what 'British' is before he ranted about multiculturism. That said, it makes a nice change of pace from the usual "CUT EVERYTHING! IT'S ALL OF LABOUR'S FAULT! DON'T BLAME US!" spiels they come up with.

Book a weeks holiday in North Korea, then all of the values you have living in Britain will be made clear.

reply to post by Haydn_17


multiculturalism is ridiculous. good for the prime minister.

reply to post by Haydn_17


More hyperbole. Face facts you can't define what you keep trumpeting about. How sad! Again you pick on one country. Can you not count? Deny ignorance.

reply to post by MacDonagh


This was my point. I have more in common with the muslim lads i went to college with than I do David Cameron, Gideon Osbourne and the like. For a start we had state education, used the same public services, watched the same TV programs, followed the same football teams. I'm not denying there is a hardcore out there of extremests, but there are just as many who have assimilated.

reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact


Unfortunately I don't have the time or the attention span to watch one hour plus documentaries.

And I'm not exactly certain what the "open your mind" comment was about. All I did was make a comparison about how the Crusades are returning, and asked what the two other jihads were. A brief explanation will be fine.

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by Haydn_17

 

More hyperbole. Face facts you can't define what you keep trumpeting about. How sad! Again you pick on one country. Can you not count? Deny ignorance.

edit on 6-2-2011 by tiger5 because: (no reason given)

What are yout talking about? One country? What?

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by MacDonagh

 

This was my point. I have more in common with the muslim lads i went to college with than I do David Cameron, Gideon Osbourne and the like. For a start we had state education, used the same public services, watched the same TV programs, followed the same football teams. I'm not denying there is a hardcore out there of extremests, but there are just as many who have assimilated.

Go one lets talk dirty. It is all a matter of class. We are predominantly working class people. We have our own distinct culture and we have our on ways of relating to each other.

Starred not because your a brilliant but you actually make a damn sight more sense that the chatters here.